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Dingo
Oct-13-07, 12:47 PM
How many sets x reps shoud someone of my age do for compounds, isolations?

Steve
Oct-13-07, 12:49 PM
as many as you please

Many reps fatigue faster
Few reps fatigue slower
Many sets take a large amount of time and allow for more total repetition
Few sets take a small amount of time and allow for less repetition
Higher weight improves strength and taxes muscles more
Lower weight does so at a lower magnitude
Fatigue hinders ability to lift weight

Remember this

Dingo
Oct-13-07, 12:51 PM
Thanks Steve, I get the idea now, it is not a set amount of reps, it depends on your goals. Thanks again :good:

Steve
Oct-13-07, 12:55 PM
Also remember that strength is just a function of muscle memory with the given weight and the strength of your tendons, while mechanical damage from lifting causes muscles to grow. In other words, just lifting the weight improves your strength and coordination, but lifting it so that your muscles are damaged causes a growth response.

Dingo
Oct-13-07, 01:02 PM
Yeah damamging the muscle so it regrows anew and stronger in a way.

mr popular
Oct-13-07, 01:44 PM
This is the most productive thread I've seen in a really long time.

So far so good.

Diz2007
Oct-13-07, 02:27 PM
:smile:</Thread>
before shit gets out of hand.

Teufel
Oct-13-07, 03:14 PM
Also remember that strength is just a function of muscle memory with the given weight and the strength of your tendons, while mechanical damage from lifting causes muscles to grow. In other words, just lifting the weight improves your strength and coordination, but lifting it so that your muscles are damaged causes a growth response.

Thus, if you're goals are hypertrophy (increasing the size of your muscles), then follow something like 3 sets 10-15 reps to failure. If you want more strength less hypertrophy then follow a program with low reps high weight.

It depends on your goals.

Steve
Oct-13-07, 04:10 PM
No actually all you need for hypertrophy is to damage your muscles obviously

You could just go like, 1 set of infinite weight with 15 reps, then another set of 8 reps with a lower weight, and other madness

There's no reason to want strength with no hypertrophy, since conditioning is an important part of strength training.

Teufel
Oct-13-07, 05:18 PM
No actually all you need for hypertrophy is to damage your muscles obviously

You could just go like, 1 set of infinite weight with 15 reps, then another set of 8 reps with a lower weight, and other madness

There's no reason to want strength with no hypertrophy, since conditioning is an important part of strength training.

I was just giving him the extreme examples, so he understands how to apply what you said to his training

Steve
Oct-13-07, 07:38 PM
Examples are wrong, unless your example is a gorilla.

Robo
Oct-14-07, 07:49 AM
Also:


Thus, if your goals are hypertrophy (increasing the size of your muscles), then follow something like 3 sets 10-15 reps to failure. If you want more strength less hypertrophy then follow a program with low reps high weight.

It depends on your goals.

Nice work, American.

Question that rises from your post: Wouldn't training to failure in every set destroy the benefit of the second and third set? Since you're already going to your max in the first set, you wouldn't be able to max out effectively in your second and third set. (I'm not that knowledgeable, which is why I'm asking the question instead of making wild assumptions)

chicanerous
Oct-14-07, 01:02 PM
Question that rises from your post: Wouldn't training to failure in every set destroy the benefit of the second and third set? Since you're already going to your max in the first set, you wouldn't be able to max out effectively in your second and third set. (I'm not that knowledgeable, which is why I'm asking the question instead of making wild assumptions)
While performing rep work, given 2-5 minutes of rest, you can recover sufficiently in order to perform that next set at the desired intensity, even if you're training to (concentric) failure. However, over the course of your workout, there will eventually be a point where the volume catches up with you and you can no longer sustain your effort.

Teufel
Oct-14-07, 01:33 PM
Nice work, American.

I'm sorry I don't do a sweep on all my posts to make sure I didn't make any careless mistakes. Forgive me, netherlander

Honken
Oct-14-07, 01:49 PM
Forgive me, netherlander

Correction; Dutchman.

Teufel
Oct-14-07, 02:05 PM
Correction; Dutchman.

Correction; you can call them either of the two:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Netherlander

Steve
Oct-14-07, 02:35 PM
Or Neanderthal

Ashtar
Oct-14-07, 02:59 PM
Hey Steve when you say all you need is to damage your muscles, does that mean only in the context of lifting something, or say, if I punched my bicep really hard would it hypertrophy? *does so* Ouch.

Swartz
Oct-14-07, 11:57 PM
You're so funny Asstar!

mr popular
Oct-15-07, 10:58 PM
IT WAS GOING SO WELL

JUST LET IT END HERE YOU FAGGOTS