Chest problem

[Shaedar]

I need some help guys.

I'm working out third week now, 6 days per week and it has become quite obvious something isn't right.

This is the workout my coach gave me...

Push ups : 3x10 at begining, I've raised this to 3x18
Sit ups : 30 slow, 3x10 fast, 20 slow
Back : 2x15
Squats : 3x25
3ceps : 3x8
100 jumps with jump rope

And the problem...
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3829/pectoralissternaleditai5.jpg
in the marked area I have ZERO muscles. It's flat. Skin and bone. It was not that obvious before, because I didn't even have a proper chest. But now it just looks weird.

I've checked for "sunken" or "pigeon" chest and it's far from that. I don't have deformed bones or something. Muscles just aren't there where they should be.

:worry:

[Honken]

1. You weigh to less (muscle mass).
2. You've been working out for 3 weeks.
3. You're doing pushups.

And your muscles are perfectly fine.

[JacktheHero]

what's wrong? you're working out 6 days a week (when you say you started I guess you didn't train a lot before) and mmhm I don't have much muscles there either. just skin and (deformed) bone..

[Rigo]

Dips.

[Rahf]

You need more volume to decrease that gap. It's genetical and you are not alone in having it.

Don't worry about it, keep training.

[Shaedar]

1. You weigh to less (muscle mass).
2. You've been working out for 3 weeks.
3. You're doing pushups.

And your muscles are perfectly fine.


1. Explain.

2. I've been working out before, although I wasn't doing much for chest. This is just a different routine.

3. What's wrong with pushups ?

[short gorilla]

I'm kind of a mesomorph. I have good chest and back muscles and I hold onto them even when I don't lift for a long time. You'll fill out after a good year of training (or less if you eat right).

[Final Prophecy]

It's genetical.

Yes.



Are you doing any type of bench presses by any chance? From your workout it doesn't seem like this issue would pop up. I think honken was getting at what I'm trying to say...the only chest thing you are doing is pushups and you've only been lifting for 3 weeks so I don't see how it would become that apparant...but then again I might have misread what honken said.

[short gorilla]

By the way, what did you mean by "back 2x15?" What back exercise are you doing?

[compleks]

Yeah, and what are 3ceps?

[Final Prophecy]

he probably means triceps.

[compleks]

or biceps.

Neither of which are an exercise.

[Chase]

or biceps.



If I understand his code that would be 2ceps

[chicanerous]

or biceps.
2ceps = biceps
3ceps = triceps
4ceps = forceps

http://www.dryeye.org/images/forceps.jpg

Neither of which are an exercise.
True.

[Swartz]

That is also the smallest part of my chest but I figured enough time and training will fill it up more. I hope. Kinda hard to tell when the rest of my pecs are doing allright. Exercises effect that too but I'm doing enough narrow and incline stuff so eh...

[compleks]

If I understand his code that would be 2ceps

2ceps = biceps
3ceps = triceps
4ceps = forceps

http://www.dryeye.org/images/forceps.jpg


True.

Oh, there's an actual code happening here. Damn kids, and their internet lingo.

Now I feel stupid.

[Birch]

Hey fellas whats the deal with the shape of pecs? I see alot of people where their pecs are sqaure shaped and some where they seem to just be like round, still big but just round. Is that because they havent trained them in all areas or is it because of the way the individuals muscle is shaped? Its pretty confusing to look at, mine are developing round.

[short gorilla]

Hey fellas whats the deal with the shape of pecs? I see alot of people where their pecs are sqaure shaped and some where they seem to just be like round, still big but just round. Is that because they havent trained them in all areas or is it because of the way the individuals muscle is shaped? Its pretty confusing to look at, mine are developing round.

It's because you have bitch-tits. Mine are square-ish.

[chicanerous]

Hey fellas whats the deal with the shape of pecs? I see alot of people where their pecs are sqaure shaped and some where they seem to just be like round, still big but just round. Is that because they havent trained them in all areas or is it because of the way the individuals muscle is shaped? Its pretty confusing to look at, mine are developing round.
Genetics. If you haven't noticed, unless you're Asian, you do not look exactly the same as everyone else.

[short gorilla]

Genetics. If you haven't noticed, unless your Asian, you do not look exactly the same as everyone else.

OH SHIT!

[compleks]

One of my pecs is rounded. The other is squarish (missing the bottom corner).

[Birch]

So it's not because I/people suck at trainging that area?

[compleks]

Not likely, it's got more to do with where your muscle originates (genetics).

[Birch]

Thanks Compleks:good: and a bit to Rahf too i spose. Thats been bugging me for ages.

[Meegz]

Does anyone else have a sternal angle that sticks out? Is this a normal thing?

since this is the weird chest thread.

[Less than Dan]

Does anyone else have a sternal angle that sticks out? Is this a normal thing?

since this is the weird chest thread.

Sometimes, when I go outside, I see these other human beings that are typically shorter and smaller than me and their hair is usually much longer than mine and their chests stick out :worry:

Can someone tell me what is going on? :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::wicked::wicke d::wicked::wicked::dead::dead::dead::worry:

[Birch]

NOO! It cant be! But the female race was wiped out milleniums ago!?!?

[Less than Dan]

NOO! It cant be! But the female race was wiped out milleniums ago!?!?

WAIT! I READ ABOUT THEM IN A BOOK ONCE. THEY'RE EVIL CREATURES THAT'LL BUY ANYTHING, AND ONCE A MONTH, THEY DO THIS THING WHERE THEY BLEED AND SMELL BAD

[Starter Kit]

No you're genetical.

[mr popular]

More mass on the chest solves this problem. I used to be this skinny as well. You simply need to gain muscular bodyweight all over.

[Rigo]

Sometimes, when I go outside, I see these other human beings that are typically shorter and smaller than me and their hair is usually much longer than mine and their chests stick out :worry:

Can someone tell me what is going on? :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::wicked::wicke d::wicked::wicked::dead::dead::dead::worry:

Lol...You're ginger :cool:

[Birch]

So am I!!! Lets all be friends!!! <3

stickisback@hotmail.com

[Karlnold]

HHHHhhh, I'm tired of people complaining about their chest, "Oh noes, I'm 120 lbs and I started working out yesterday and my pecs don't look good! Like it's all flat and there's no mass around my nipples!"

"Dude! It's genetical" or "You must have the gaps!"

Has it ever occurred to you that you might actually need to gain some strenght and actual mass first before you can distinguish true muscluarity deformities from the usual simply-small-badly-developed-twink-pecs syndrome I suspect most of you suffers from?

Unless you have some photos where you can actually point out something unusual in your chest development you should all just shut the fuck up.

[Diz2007]

I stopped reading after "3x10 at beginning, I've raised this to 3x>18<"
Why raise reps if you clearly want muscle mass?

[Honken]

1. Explain.

2. I've been working out before, although I wasn't doing much for chest. This is just a different routine.

3. What's wrong with pushups ?

1. The less mass you have packed on to your frame the more skinnier and bonier you will look.

2. That just proves my point.

3. The don't offer enough resistance if your goal is to pack on muscle.

[Rahf]

So am I!!! Lets all be friends!!! <3

stickisback@hotmail.com

But.. But.. I'm blonde! :agony:

[Meegz]

i hate you, lessthandan :[

[Martialartsguyfl]

lol get on some protein, have patience, be consistent, lift hard lift heavy.

[anfeyd]

lol get on some protein, have patience, be consistent, lift hard lift heavy.

Die a painful death.

[Shaedar]

3ceps = triceps

3x8 are triceps dips.

Back exercise (2x15):
You lay on your stomach, extend arms infront of you, hook your legs under something heavy and lift torso up, off the floor and down. Control the movement, you may also pause at the peak of the lift.

Next...
As I've said, I've been working out before, but with weights not bodyweight. Benching, squating, deadlifting, stuff like this. My chest really grown a bit, but mostly on the outer side.
This was before summer. I was working 12 hours a day through summer, plus training archery every day, so I stopped working out and muscle growth slowly stopped (excluding back, shoulders, triceps and core - archery is all about that)

Then, in mid-august, I've got into archatlon. Marvelous sport, fucking demanding and incredibly rewarding. Archery combined with runing, mostly sprinting. Coach gave me this strenght workout, runing workout and some shooting exercises.
Muscles are back in business, chest is growing again. On the outside and middle, naturally. I hope they're growing outside-in, so this shit will be over 'till spring.

And further more...
I'm not training for mass, although maybe I should.
And I don't need or want big chest, on contrary, big chest can be quite a hindrance as the string can whip you (flying nipples :punched:). I just want this hole to be gone, I look like a freak.
I need to be as light as possible and as strong as possible for that weight.
Speed is what I need. :tongue:
And power.

[Final Prophecy]

Wait so then what is the problem?

[anfeyd]

The only way you're getting rid of the gap is though training and eating for hypertrophy. Chances are it will fill in down the line after you gain 30-50 lbs of muscle.

Aside from that you're screwed

[Final Prophecy]

The only way you're getting rid of the gap is though training and eating for hypertrophy. Chances are it will fill in down the line after you gain 30-50 lbs of muscle.

Aside from that you're screwed

Wait is that true? I thought a lack of muscle in the upper chest was from focusing on lower pec lifts such as regular bench press too much. And the solution to that is just do stuff like incline bench press.

[Shaedar]

Wait so then what is the problem?

The Gap.

Aside from that you're screwed

As in what way ?

[Honken]

How much do you weigh and how tall are you? And if you can, post a picture of this skeletor issue.

[Rahf]

If you're not building for mass then stop worrying about your gap, it's not going anywhere unless you put on some poundage.

[AjStyles]

Use steriod, haha just kiding. Steriod can make u bigger and fatter. But is a kind of drug.
So you will be arressted. Maybe you should try some weigh gain milk fom farmasi. Drink milk everyday and u can become bigger.

[AjStyles]

1 more thing, it has to do with masturbation.Masturbation brings harm to human body try search youtube.Masturbation can deform our muscle.So the bottom line is we call all be gay if we wan muscle.Dont ever masturbate is u wan a healthy body.

[Shaedar]

How much do you weigh and how tall are you? And if you can, post a picture of this skeletor issue.

I was going to do that, but can't find the USB cable for cam :eh:

195 cm, currently at 78 kg and gaining :nervous:

If you're not building for mass then stop worrying about your gap, it's not going anywhere unless you put on some poundage.

Well poundage will come by itself, I'm kinda underweight.
I've gained 2kg in these three weeks.

[AjStyles]

Is fells damn good to be gay. Now i am so strong and my body is fulls of muscle.

[Final Prophecy]

1 more thing, it has to do with masturbation.Masturbation brings harm to human body try search youtube.Masturbation can deform our muscle.So the bottom line is we call all be gay if we wan muscle.Dont ever masturbate is u wan a healthy body.

Link me the video.

[AjStyles]

Wow, man you are fucking tall. I am only 5 feet 8

[AjStyles]

Diu just search 'the bad effect of masturbation' at youtube.

[Final Prophecy]

Didn't work.

[Shaedar]

Use steriod, haha just kiding. Steriod can make u bigger and fatter. But is a kind of drug.
So you will be arressted. Maybe you should try some weigh gain milk fom farmasi. Drink milk everyday and u can become bigger.

1 more thing, it has to do with masturbation.Masturbation brings harm to human body try search youtube.Masturbation can deform our muscle.So the bottom line is we call all be gay if we wan muscle.Dont ever masturbate is u wan a healthy body.

Who are you again ?

Seriously, masturbation can do harm ? First time I've ever heard that.

I drink lots of milk (approx. 1l per day), actually I eat more those last days. Guess it's the workout.

[AjStyles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXMszBtzuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tahsB4Adqs4
many more search for yourself

[Final Prophecy]

Those are joke videos Aj. I hope you realize that.

They are making fun of those Christian videos.

[AjStyles]

See for yourself at youtube I am not lying about this. I never lies.

[AjStyles]

But it make scence, excessive masturbation can damage our muscles. Is like you see, everything is good, For example tricking is good, but when u do it excess, u will get fatigue and injuries which is the bad effects.

[Less than Dan]

AJ, you so SILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL-LAY.

[Rahf]

I was going to do that, but can't find the USB cable for cam :eh:

195 cm, currently at 78 kg and gaining :nervous:



Well poundage will come by itself, I'm kinda underweight.
I've gained 2kg in these three weeks.

If you are overeating, yes it will come. If you're not then you won't gain an ounce.

[AJCN]

Add better exercises that work your pecs.

[mr popular]

So let's recap:
If you are gaining weight by about 2kg each month, and you are working out to increase the strength of your pectoral exercises (such as bench press, incline bench press, and some sort of fly) amounting to around 12-15 total sets (not all work sets), then your chest will most likely grow at a normal rate.

Also, how could masturbation cause any adverse effects towards anything unless you blast semen directly into your eyeballs?

I masturbate directly before going to the gym sometimes. It hasn't held me back at all.

[Shaedar]

Masterbation FTW.

I'll post more after a month or so. Just got new program, starting in monday.

Thank's guys.

[mr popular]

No. How about you NOT post back in one month.

How about you workout consistantly, eat to grow every day, with intense discipline for 6 straight months, and THEN get back to us.

How much progress do you think you will actually see in 4 WEEKS TIME?

Do you understand how much patience this takes?

[Wesker]

HHHHhhh, I'm tired of people complaining about their chest, "Oh noes, I'm 120 lbs and I started working out yesterday and my pecs don't look good! Like it's all flat and there's no mass around my nipples!"

or

Has it ever occurred to you that you might actually need to gain some strenght and actual mass first before you can distinguish true muscluarity deformities from the usual simply-small-badly-developed-twink-pecs syndrome I suspect most of you suffers from?

Unless you have some photos where you can actually point out something unusual in your chest development you should all just shut the fuck up.

Haha, and you're going to be a PT helping these kinds of people. It's the truth out there Karl; you can't escape it.

[Shaedar]

No. How about you NOT post back in one month.

How about you workout consistantly, eat to grow every day, with intense discipline for 6 straight months, and THEN get back to us.

How much progress do you think you will actually see in 4 WEEKS TIME?

Do you understand how much patience this takes?

I do. And believe it or not, things are getting better, the gap is surely getting smaller. Difference is clearly seen after the workout, when I'm kinda pumped up.

However, I've lost 5 and gained 1 kg and am now at 74 kg :eh:
Probably because of the running.

[mr popular]

No, it's because of the you-not-eating-enough. You just need to man up.

[Shaedar]

Damn it guys, I don't know what shove into me anymore.

[compleks]

Peanut butter and olive oil.

[mr popular]

Just simplify your diet into a list of key items you can consume every day, and then organize them so that you are consuming 6 protein based meals every day without fail, and coming out to around 3500 calories and 300 grams of protein at least.

Here is a sample:
1) bowl of cereal and milk, followed by a protein drink (milk+60grams of whey+olive oil)
2) 1lb of pasta with with chicken + glass of milk
3) protein drink (orange juice+60g whey)
Lift weights or run.
4) protein drink (OJ with 90g whey)
5) 0.5-1lb beef, sweet potato, veggies +glass of milk
6) 2 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches +glass of milk.

Just find your key dietary items and organize them! (beef, chicken, pasta, peanut butter, bread, milk). Prepare your meals ahead of time by cooking pasta and meats in bulk and storing them.

It's not difficult friend. It just takes some manning up and a little bit of effort and planning.

[Shaedar]

I'm not using any whey yet, but I'll get my hands on it soon.

6 meals a day seem like a dream, because I'm always on the go. It is difficult to compose everything into perfect symphony. I'm always lacking sleep :smile:

Excuses aside, I'm not trying hard enough.

[mr popular]

Not sure why that is.

[Shaedar]

Not sure why that is.

It was my response to compleks's post...

Peanut butter and olive oil.

...but you were faster. Sorry.

What's with peanut butter and olive oil ?
I can't imagine drinking a glass of oil.

[mr popular]

peanut butter and olive oil are both calorie dense, cheap, and availble to add to most any dish.

PB&J rocks, especially with high fiber bread and no-sugar jelly...
And I cook all of my meats and pastas in olive oil, and adding a tablespoon or two to your protein drinks will add 100s of calories to it and you wont even taste it.

Just don't put olive oil in your post workout shake. haha

[Shaedar]

I think you can't get peanut butter here, at least I haven't seen it anywhere in my whole, miserable 20 years.

Olive oil is quite common although we (dear mother :smile:) don't use it. This calls for a revolution.

Just don't put olive oil in your post workout shake. haha

Why ?

[mr popular]

Because after a workout your muscles need protein to rebuild themselves, and consuming carbohydrates with that protein will spike your insulin, the hormone responsible for shuffeling nutrients to where they belong. The muscles dont need any fat, however, so some believe that consuming fat (which is all olive oil is..) with your post workout drink will cause either bodyfat gains (if done repeatedly over time), or just give you unpleasant mud shits, as is my experience. haha

[compleks]

Where do live?
If you have peanuts, then I'm sure you will have peanut butter somewhere.

You can make peanut butter easily enough, but in that case you would probably be better off just eating peanuts (to save time).

[Shaedar]

We have peanuts, but I haven't seen butter anywhere.
Guess I'll just eat them a lot, they taste good.


Thanks for help. Again.
You really are useful, haha :smile:

[compleks]

Mr. P was clearly more useful than myself here.

But thanks anyway.

[Ashtar]

Because after a workout your muscles need protein to rebuild themselves, and consuming carbohydrates with that protein will spike your insulin, the hormone responsible for shuffeling nutrients to where they belong. The muscles dont need any fat, however, so some believe that consuming fat (which is all olive oil is..) with your post workout drink will cause either bodyfat gains (if done repeatedly over time), or just give you unpleasant mud shits, as is my experience. haha
Dang insulin, you want it for the nutrient shipping, yet fear the diabeetus. Muscle cells do contain some fat, I mean all cells do, the phospholipid membranes and all, so you will need SOME, it's just not a major need as compared to needing to refuel energy or get proteins.

[mr popular]

Which is why you eat a solid meal after your protein drink, once your glycogen has been restored.

[Rahf]

Because after a workout your muscles need protein to rebuild themselves, and consuming carbohydrates with that protein will spike your insulin, the hormone responsible for shuffeling nutrients to where they belong. The muscles dont need any fat, however, so some believe that consuming fat (which is all olive oil is..) with your post workout drink will cause either bodyfat gains (if done repeatedly over time), or just give you unpleasant mud shits, as is my experience. haha

I reckon the reason why fat shouldn't be ingested post workout is because it slows down the emptying of your stomach. This affects recovery times since your carbs with ridiculously high GI just got slowed down to a crawl thanks to the fat. Add the fact that it gives you the runs and it gives a good indicator to stay away from it.

[windowmaker]

Yeah, and what are 3ceps?

Abbreviation of tricep I presume...?

[mr popular]

So I've completely forgotten what the OP is even trying to do here. Are you trying to bulk up, or did you just decide to forget about the gap, or what? haha

[Wesker]

Try benching or the dumbbell chest press

[Shaedar]

So I've completely forgotten what the OP is even trying to do here. Are you trying to bulk up, or did you just decide to forget about the gap, or what? haha

Well I'm building up strenght and speed for next year, so I'll represent some kind of threath to other rivals in run archery (http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:xlFh7MkRYZUJ:www.futasijaszat.hu/szabaly/basics_for_runarchery_rules_2004.pdf+run+archery&hl=sl&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=opera).

Coach gave me body-weight exercises and running schedule. We are changing them in 2 week cycle ( = 12 days working out, 2 days of rest).
I can write them down if you wish.

Gap scared me a bit, but I soon realized it's normal and I need to gain more muscle mass and it'll be gone.

[abdominable]

Dude, fuggin...

Do this:

-Intake lots of protein. (Ex. Add a protein shake or two to your day. Have two+ servings of meat at every meal, rather than one)

-Drink lots of water, until your piss is clear. Maintain clear pissageness.

-Incline bench / close-grip 3x10-15 / 60% / (for upper-INNER pex)

-Decline bench / close-grip 3x10-15 / 60% / (for lower-INNER pex)

-Hyper dumbell flies (Extend arms WAY out instead of the normal "draw a circle" technique. This will stretch inner pec muscles, tearing them, which is what you want.)

-If you do pushups, the closer your hands, the more you'll work inner pex.

-During said workouts, try to concentrate on feeling that area work, and try to flex it during the contraction, even if there's nothing to flex yet.

Guaranteed inner-boobage growth.

[anfeyd]

Dude, fuggin...

Do this:

-Intake lots of protein. (Ex. Add a protein shake or two to your day. Have two+ servings of meat at every meal, rather than one)

-Drink lots of water, until your piss is clear. Maintain clear pissageness.

-Incline bench / close-grip 3x10-15 / 60% / (for upper-INNER pex)

-Decline bench / close-grip 3x10-15 / 60% / (for lower-INNER pex)

-Hyper dumbell flies (Extend arms WAY out instead of the normal "draw a circle" technique. This will stretch inner pec muscles, tearing them, which is what you want.)

-If you do pushups, the closer your hands, the more you'll work inner pex.

-During said workouts, try to concentrate on feeling that area work, and try to flex it during the contraction, even if there's nothing to flex yet.

Guaranteed inner-boobage growth.

The only way his pecs are going to grow is if he is consuming enough calories. Intaking more protein shakes will do nothing if he is not meeting a high calorie intake.

[abdominable]

The only way his pecs are going to grow is if he is consuming enough calories. Intaking more protein shakes will do nothing if he is not meeting a high calorie intake.

Which is why I stated he should eat more (I said more meat, meant to say more food). Also, protein shake mix isn't just pure protein - it usually contain carbs, calories, and often calcium - some even have everything multivitamins contain.

[mr popular]

How about you show us the incredible pectorals you have built with your own methods?

[chicanerous]

Which is why I stated he should eat more (I said more meat, meant to say more food). Also, protein shake mix isn't just pure protein - it usually contain carbs, calories, and often calcium - some even have everything multivitamins contain.
There's no kudos for meaning to say something. You either say or don't say it.

[abdominable]

I wasn't going to go take a picture of my chest, but I do have one from two months ago. Early soccer season, wasn't lifting at the time, but did all summer.

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v112/123/19/825045205/n825045205_1081846_5261.jpg

[abdominable]

There's no kudos for meaning to say something. You either say or don't say it.

I stand corrected, it was pointed out. I could care less about kudos. I'm giving advice from personal experience.

[mr popular]

MAN, YOU'RE HUGE!!! LOOK AT THOSE RIPPED INNER-PECS!!!!

[abdominable]

MAN, YOU'RE HUGE!!! LOOK AT THOSE RIPPED INNER-PECS!!!!

Ahh. Now I remember why TT forums are a joke. Assmen like you sit at their computers all day waiting to pounce on any grammatical error or tiny flaw or difference of opinion in what someone has to say.

Go ahead and word your reply to spite me, but I won't be back to check this shit. :wink:

[mr popular]

Now this is funny for two reasons.

1) Because he actually believes I am making fun of him for a grammatical error.

and (2) It is obvious that he will come back and read whatever I respond with.

[anfeyd]

Mr Popular your quest for putting everyone down who doesn't want to bulk or who's priority isn't to gain size is old and pathetic.

[compleks]

This thread just got better if you ask me.

[chicanerous]

Mr. Popular has actually been quite helpful and understanding lately. I've been taken aback and astounded that some of his advice has actually been useful. I applaud his effort, as it must have taken many hours of therapy to achieve the small degree of empathy and consideration that he has exhibited.

:good:

[compleks]

Mr. Popular has actually been quite helpful and understanding lately. I've been taken aback and astounded that some of his advice has actually been useful. I applaud his effort, as it must have taken many hours of therapy to achieve the small degree of empathy and consideration that he has exhibited.

:good:

Haha.
I agree, he has definitely changed his tune lately. Not so much that he won't lay down some abuse when necessary, but that's an important role on these forums.

[mr popular]

Mr. Popular has actually been quite helpful and understanding lately. I've been taken aback and astounded that some of his advice has actually been useful. I applaud his effort, as it must have taken many hours of therapy to achieve the small degree of empathy and consideration that he has exhibited.

:good:

I have been getting laid more often....

[anfeyd]

I have been getting laid more often....

And you don't have to wear a dirty smelly hat and plastic gloves and make sandwiches.

[chicanerous]

I have been getting laid more often....
Many hours of sexual therapy... the best kind!

[mr popular]

Yeah making sandwiches all day and supporting the fatness of others really put me in a funk i guess.

[anfeyd]

Many hours of sexual therapy... the best kind!

Massage Therapy + Sexual Therapy = Ultimate Healing

[mr popular]

Too bad I likely will be getting neither for a little while. My girlfriend just went completely psychobitch on me.
She's currently weeping in her car outside in 30 degree weather on top of a giant stuffed moose i bought her.

This whole situation is about 10x more fucked up than I'm willing to say over the internet, but suffice it to say..

I need a new person to rub my back and please me sexually. This one is broken.

[chicanerous]

Too bad I likely will be getting neither for a little while. My girlfriend just went completely psychobitch on me.
She's currently weeping in her car outside in 30 degree weather on top of a giant stuffed moose i bought her.

This whole situation is about 10x more fucked up than I'm willing to say over the internet, but suffice it to say..

I need a new person to rub my back and please me sexually. This one is broken.
That was pretty emo. Tell your girlfriend to be more of a man -- that solves 98% of women troubles.

[compleks]

Haha.

It may be my lack of any meaningful interaction with the opposite sex, but I fail to see how these situations always arise.

[Swartz]

I seem to care about women less and less each day after not getting any my whole life.

[Shaedar]

I must agree with you.

[mr popular]

Obviously that gap in his chest....... is merely his empty heart!