Raiz/TD Raiz/Swinging through

[Nick Fail]

This is a tutorial I made on TD Raiz and Raiz. Despite what you might think There is no such thing as a "low" raiz and a "high" raiz as two DIFFERENT types of raiz's. A raiz is an arial gumbi, whether of not you use a cheat step or a carry through, wrap, whatever, Its the same move (Sorry Prodigy, but its true). So your shoice on how you wanna do it but this is the cheat step take off to a TD raiz and a Raiz and how to swing them through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwIAhUIcemc

[waterboy]

very good tutorial man

i actually was going to do a td raiz one, but you got it all covered

[Nick Fail]

Thanks brother!

[waterboy]

quick question tho

check out this guy's raiz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ7PuO0kdhk

do u notice in his setup he takes a step back? and that his raiz resembles an aerial almost exactly?

i do my tdraiz with a step thru / hook liek you, but the way that guy does it and nate p makes it look really different

[Nick Fail]

Yeah, thats a hell of a raiz man, its exactly how I see a correct raiz being, minute the hieght that Crazy asian makes up for. I think it looks different because he is doing it as a true gumbi arial and we aren't, more of a turn to a gainer in a way. You know what I mean? I tried to do raizes like that but it hurts my back too bad to do that so I stopped. If I were to worry about making my raiz its self look better I think thats what it would look like but, personally I just want a raiz that will be inverted and will be able to swing through really well. I see what your saying, it seems like he's just inverted the entire time, plus his head starts lower than how we do it.

[JKT]

Really good
thanks for the tutorial! helped alot
i have a question do you see the ground the whole time?

[n3m3s1s]

I love it when he says "I like touchdown raizes because I am,you know, Lazy:tongue:

[Nick Fail]

Really good
thanks for the tutorial! helped alot
i have a question do you see the ground the whole time?

On take off no but I can see it almost immediatly after taking off. I try to look to the right (left for right side spinners) of my target before I take off. Forces you to set.

[broertjetim]

wow i allways go to the side when i try raiz

so is this the same thing for a sideswipe? :)

[Dragonic MiKe]

He has a sideswipe tut on youtube too.


Your tutorials are seriously good. Thank you for making them. :)

[Andy R]

awesome tutorial. i got the td raiz, this will help me get the proper normal raiz

[ChAku]

you mention james in this vid at the beginning. the funny thing about his raiz is the flexability in is back. when he takes off for his raiz, his torso is already half way finished because of the flexibility in his back. the good thing u pointed out was that the raiz should be considered a flip typ move. everytime i raiz, james always tells me to think of it like a gainer lol.

[J-Slide]

you mention james in this vid at the beginning. the funny thing about his raiz is the flexability in is back. when he takes off for his raiz, his torso is already half way finished because of the flexibility in his back. the good thing u pointed out was that the raiz should be considered a flip typ move. everytime i raiz, james always tells me to think of it like a gainer lol.

yes sir mines a really good tutorial to bad its on page 2 or 3 by now

[DarkXacreD]

lol he's so pissed off and disgruntled the whole time

[Nathan.P.]

What do you mean there is no low and high raiz..... Of course there is. One is lower and more inverted and one is higher and more arched. Its just two different styles.

[Skilzat85X]

I agree with Nate P.

[Jon P]

quick question tho

check out this guy's raiz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ7PuO0kdhk

do u notice in his setup he takes a step back? and that his raiz resembles an aerial almost exactly?

i do my tdraiz with a step thru / hook liek you, but the way that guy does it and nate p makes it look really different

Nate and I both can do it like that guy and we both do it on our "other" side in order to do it that way...because yes, you are working from an aerial kinda...rather then a tornado kick.
Two very different approaches and two different techniques sharing the same name haha. I love doing the super inverted / aerial raiz though, a really fun, stylish move.

[Ambitrixterous]

What do you mean there is no low and high raiz..... Of course there is. One is lower and more inverted and one is higher and more arched. Its just two different styles.

Na just the way Prodigy is doing it on his tutorial is low- the level of inversion should not affect your height (or only slightly), to the point that your height on your raiz (horizontal or inverted) is dependent on how you jump. Think of it this way:

Aerial & butterfly are just like invert raiz (low raiz) and raiz (high raiz), one is a horizontal version of the other, but you can still get up nice & high on your aerial (I've seen a capoeirista throw an axeto invert raiz above most people's best raiz) and if you'd like I can explain how this is possible.

:ninja:

[Nick Fail]

What do you mean there is no low and high raiz..... Of course there is. One is lower and more inverted and one is higher and more arched. Its just two different styles.

no there isn't, A raiz is a raiz, A raiz is an arial gumbi, so if you do a low one, then its just a low arial gumbi. If you do a high one, then you are doing a high arial gumbi. The transition between going inverted right off the bat "low" raiz and going up first "High" raiz do not change the move. A raiz is a raiz, no matter what take off, level of inversion (as long as there is inversion), its still an arial gumbi. The "low" and "high" raizes are no different than a TD raiz, call it a style but its not a different raiz, you can do a TD raiz and not have it any different than a normal raiz. just as you can do an extremely inverted raiz it might look different but its the same move.

[Nick Fail]

lol he's so pissed off and disgruntled the whole time

yes i had sand in my vagina

[Nathan.P.]

no there isn't, A raiz is a raiz, A raiz is an arial gumbi, so if you do a low one, then its just a low arial gumbi. If you do a high one, then you are doing a high arial gumbi. The transition between going inverted right off the bat "low" raiz and going up first "High" raiz do not change the move. If what YOU are saying is correct then a TD raiz is a whole new consept and we should study it more, Cause fuck, it blows my mind, tell you what.

Of course a raiz is a raiz. Who said it isn't? Im just reffering to two different styles that you can do it. In the end its a raiz of course.....

[Nathan.P.]

Na just the way Prodigy is doing it on his tutorial is low- the level of inversion should not affect your height (or only slightly), to the point that your height on your raiz (horizontal or inverted) is dependent on how you jump. Think of it this way:

Aerial & butterfly are just like invert raiz (low raiz) and raiz (high raiz), one is a horizontal version of the other, but you can still get up nice & high on your aerial (I've seen a capoeirista throw an axeto invert raiz above most people's best raiz) and if you'd like I can explain how this is possible.

:ninja:

I don't really know what your saying...I don't really care if you can get inverted raiz high. What Prodigy is demonstrating in the tutorial is two different styles.

[Ambitrixterous]

I don't really know what your saying...I don't really care if you can get inverted raiz high. What Prodigy is demonstrating in the tutorial is two different styles.

Haha. No that much is definitely true, they are two different styles of the same move, what I'm saying (and what Nick is saying here) is that either style can be high or low- that comes from how you're jumping.

"low raiz" = "invert raiz"

"high raiz" = "raiz"

[Nathan.P.]

Haha. No that much is definitely true, they are two different styles of the same move, what I'm saying (and what Nick is saying here) is that either style can be high or low- that comes from how you're jumping.

"low raiz" = "invert raiz"

"high raiz" = "raiz"

Ok but the more inverted style is typically lower then the floaty one. Thats why we refer to one being a low and one a high.

[Nick Fail]

Ok but the more inverted style is typically lower then the floaty one. Thats why we refer to one being a low and one a high.

Problem is, most TTers see it as two seperate moves, as in, they are as different as a 540 and a flashkick

It might not be consciously done [since a sizable deal of TT consist of mindless subserviants], but it is definately happening.


Thats why I argue this point. Cause most people see it as "high raiz and low raiz......those cant be the same move, one looks like an arial"

[Nathan.P.]

Problem is, most TTers see it as two seperate moves, as in, they are as different as a 540 and a flashkick



Thats why I argue this point. Cause most people see it as "high raiz and low raiz......those cant be the same move, one looks like an arial"

Ok this is stupid. Do raiz how ever you want. I will continue doing them the TWO different ways I do them.

[Deezy(LoOpk!cks)]

i believe they are different. about as different as teradaswipe as opposed to vertical swipe (or suicideswipe as it was once referred to)

oh wait they have the same raiz set up...

oh wait again lol theyre different kindsa raizes

therefore, theres NOT only one kind of raiz. just like theres NOT only one kind of swipe.


you can argue all you want but fact of the matter is... its not good to say there ONLY ONE way of doing things in the world of tricking. course clean lines n speed n power n guidelines are one thing, but rules suck. we'll be limited in creativity kinda like gymnasts are. not good for progression of tricking.

plus if you refer to your swipe tutorial... how can there be multiple ways of throwing swipes but only one raiz ? is raiz not a pre-requisite for swipe ?

chrisd

[Nick Fail]

i believe they are different. about as different as teradaswipe as opposed to vertical swipe (or suicideswipe as it was once referred to)

oh wait they have the same raiz set up...

oh wait again lol theyre different kindsa raizes

therefore, theres NOT only one kind of raiz. just like theres NOT only one kind of swipe.


you can argue all you want but fact of the matter is... its not good to say there ONLY ONE way of doing things in the world of tricking. course clean lines n speed n power n guidelines are one thing, but rules suck. we'll be limited in creativity kinda like gymnasts are. not good for progression of tricking.

plus if you refer to your swipe tutorial... how can there be multiple ways of throwing swipes but only one raiz ? is raiz not a pre-requisite for swipe ?

chrisd


I understand what your saying. The point I was trying to make was that a "high" raiz and a "low" raiz were both still arial gumbis. I've heard people say that they are two different moves when in essence they are the same move but like TD raiz to some, is a preferance.

[Skilzat85X]

i believe they are different. about as different as teradaswipe as opposed to vertical swipe (or suicideswipe as it was once referred to)

oh wait they have the same raiz set up...

oh wait again lol theyre different kindsa raizes

therefore, theres NOT only one kind of raiz. just like theres NOT only one kind of swipe.


you can argue all you want but fact of the matter is... its not good to say there ONLY ONE way of doing things in the world of tricking. course clean lines n speed n power n guidelines are one thing, but rules suck. we'll be limited in creativity kinda like gymnasts are. not good for progression of tricking.

plus if you refer to your swipe tutorial... how can there be multiple ways of throwing swipes but only one raiz ? is raiz not a pre-requisite for swipe ?

chrisd
:good: Gooo Chris Deeeeeeeee ahaha.

They're different but they're not different tricks, holy niggs. They're just two different approaches to the same thing.


On a side note:

IT'S SPELLED AERIAL FOR THE LOVE OF SESSHOUMARU
:juji:

[pete_man_man]

you seemed nervous and sporadic throughout this tut.... it made me slightly nervous for you...