GainerFlash!?

[TFL]

I was messing around with this trick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVV2Gk1IbbE
Then i say that i could try to kick over my head more... and i landed gainerflash on my knee.:punched:
Im doing them way low and landing them on knee so i wanna know how to get 'em higher?
VID(first two attempts aren't really gainers):
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[Purple ZoDz]

Try to give more speed in the run up, an kick hard.

[Dark Twista]

1- Lose the j-step I find it useless as hell for this

2- Try and kick a soccer ball (pretend)

3- Throw your arms upward

4- Keep at it until you got it.

[Vaughnya]

check this out...

http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35197

[kamikaze!]

DO NOT lose the Jstep FFS!!!11
If you cant land it with Jstep, theres no way youll make it around with straight run up. : [

[Swartz]

Hey TFL I can't really give you much advice since I'm at the same stage you are learning this move. You have the same problems I do though, which is not enough power in the swinging leg and even more so, leaning back too far on the takeoff. I'm always closer to landing when I raise my body straight up, and not looking back at all until I'm already way up in the air. Give it a try. Also kicking straight over more is good. Well...towards your opposite shoulder is really want you want, but no more than that. It looks like you're getting better at it but don't sacrifice the quality by trying to kick way to the side (cheating it).
1- Lose the j-step I find it useless as hell for this.
Stop being a moron Dark Twista. You even stated that's it's "useless as hell" for you. YOU. Different techniques work for different people. To tell him to drop a technique simply becuase it doesn't work for you is the most pathetic ignorant advice ever, especially considering j-step is the most common and widely accepted takeoff for this move.

[Joebro]

biggest thing that i could say is throw your arms up harder

[Augenatic]

(cheating it).
Plus comme cheat gainer? lololol

[Swartz]

Cheat gainers is what retarded people call their piss poor gainer attempts. It's not even a move, and yes that's basically what I was referring to.

[TFL]

thanx ya all

P.S.:The funniest thing here is that i cant normal gainer or backflip :shocked:

[Swartz]

thanx ya all

P.S.:The funniest thing is that i cant normal gainer or backflip :shocked:

Oh god. Okay well that's not funny that's just plain stupid. Why try to learn advanced moves when you don't even have the basic prerequisites down? Don't try any more gainers until you have down a solid standing backflip. I'm serious. You're not helping yourself here.

[Augenatic]

thanx ya all

P.S.:The funniest thing here is that i cant normal gainer or backflip :shocked:

Learn to cheat gainer. lol

[TFL]

nah i always land backtuck on my knees...
i think that for me, it would be easier to do a gainer flash than standing backtuck, i dont know why:eh:

[eddy wang]

moon fucking kicks will surface to gainers(corrects).

[Purple ZoDz]

thanx ya all

P.S.:The funniest thing here is that i cant normal gainer or backflip :shocked:

Me nether, but my Gf looks okey, not the best one but i an do it on grass and probably concreet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlRaLSBZUu8

[Swartz]

nah i always land backtuck on my knees...
i think that for me, it would be easier to do a gainer flash than standing backtuck, i dont know why:eh:

Well it's not buddy. Just think about it. A gainer flash involves 2 motions that make it harder. First, your legs are completely spread out. Now of course you have the momentum of your swinging leg but that's a different kind of rotation than a simple tuck. Also, you're traveling foward, meaning you need that much more speed and power to rotate over all the way and land. It's in no way easier and that's especially confirmed by watching your attempts. I don't understand why you would want to skip the backflip anyway. It's a cool basic move, and it's so much easier. Trying to find shortcuts in tricking is a quick way to become a crappy trickster, not to mention it's an easy way to become frustrated and therefore lose any joy you get out of doing the activity.

[TFL]

okay thanx then. will learn bactuck first:juji:. I did it once but i didnt filmed it then, when i was recording, i couldn't do it, always landed it on knees :/
now I'll go out and I'll land that f cking backtuck.:wicked:

[Swartz]

Good, and don't think just because you land one you should stop doing them and work on gainerflash right away. Wait until you have the backtuck down consistently (10/10 times or more) before going after gainers. You need to have a prerequisite down COMFORTABLY before moving on.

[Tocano]

1- Lose the j-step I find it useless as hell for this

i agree. its better to just use a kind of pivot step thing.

[Swartz]

Please ignore that TFL. I don't understand why people insist that "their" way is the only way just because it works for them. Use whatever takeoff feels comfortable for you. It seems j-step is, so keep at it.

[TFL]

I land 5/7 bactucks but they were crap. Can't film it cuz its snowing and my camera would freeze out there :D
About the Jstep. I will not lose it cus i feel more comfortable with Jstep than with pivot and i think it's a way easier to do gainer flash from Jstep setup:wink:

[TFL]

I dont know why but every time when I'mm recording backflips I can't do them.
Here are two attempts from today :eh::
SOnZnnGer9U

[kamikaze!]

SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh hhhh!!!!1111111

Pri nas tut sneži lawl. konec trickinga zunaj za letos :D

Tuck more, and dont whip it imo

[TFL]

ahh saj naslednji teden bo že spet okol 10°C.
kurba je ta backflip, gainer flash se mi zdi lažji :D

[J-kob]

You should really listen to what swartz told ya, he said some really important things. You must also keep in mind, that Gflash is more of a lifting move, which means you get all the power from your swinging leg and your arms, they lift you up. You don't even need to bend the takeoff leg a lot, and don't need to jump hard with it.
And with backflip, the power of the takeoff is important, since it gives you height. And you really should have this down first, and then you'll easilly understand the gflash takeoff and it will be much easier for you to do it.

P.S.: It' all white here too, FFS. :wicked:

[Scooba Dave]

thanx ya all

P.S.:The funniest thing here is that i cant normal gainer or backflip :shocked:



when you lose the fear, you will then ARCH BACK AND LOOK BACK. you will not be afraid, get a backtuck, i do not believe tuck gayner is needed.

good luck

[alpha7158]

1- Lose the j-step I find it useless as hell for this

WTF are you talking about. That is terrible advice.

[Siphin]

don't arch your back so soon you have to set 1st and go up with your body and your arms that'll get you the height for gainer flash so you land on your feet, and commit more don't be scared if your gonna go for, it full go for it..

[Siphin]

I dont know why but every time when I'mm recording backflips I can't do them.
Here are two attempts from today :eh::
SOnZnnGer9U

ok 1st off do not jump off the snow dig a hole so u don't slip and die..
2nd off don't arch your back, jump up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Straight up and LEAAAAN backwards
3rd off your arms (USE THEM!!!) throw them up (straight) as high as u can thats called a set (set meaning- point of rotation) so wherever your arms go you'll rotate around them(if done properly)
hope this helps :juji:

[Swartz]

Yeah Siphin has it but just to clarify, when he says "lean back" don't literally shift your weight backwards when you jump, because then you'll travel backwards. Jump up and think of it more as trying to open up your chest to the sky. Aim your chest up there but keep your focus forward.

I notice when you crouch down your head is extremely low. Don't do that. It looks retarded and it doesn't help you. Keep your head up and looking at the horizon and when you jump up keep it focused forward. Throwing your head back causes you to arch and that's taking away your height. Your problem is very easy to fix if you focus on it and it'll make all the difference in you being able to land it. Keep working on it!

[Dark Twista]

WTF are you talking about. That is terrible advice.

Negative. Why run sideways into a forward move when you can just move lets say forward?

Plus, you dont need that much power for a Gainerflash anyway.

[Swartz]

Negative. Why run sideways into a forward move when you can just move lets say forward?

Plus, you dont need that much power for a Gainerflash anyway.

You're going forward into a j-step gainer as well Twista. By foward meaning your body is facing the direction of where you're kicking to flip over. You're only transferring your momentum and angled your hips by doing a j-step. Maybe your jstep technique is poor or you don't understand how it works but saying stuff like "you don't need that much power" is again...ignorant.

People do this move different ways and why you keep attacking any other technique but your own is beyond me. Some people do gainers powering by arching their back, others by their kicking leg. It doesn't matter though. People need to do what works best for them. Stop going around saying they shouldn't just because YOU haven't had progress with it.

[Dark Twista]

Why dont you get off my dick Matt?

You dont need to much power for a damn gainerflash once you have the form down. Must you ALWAYS act like a fucking dumbass on a forum, but instead have an alter personality while in real life?

[Swartz]

Why dont you get off my dick Matt?

You dont need to much power for a damn gainerflash once you have the form down. Must you ALWAYS act like a fucking dumbass on a forum, but instead have an alter personality while in real life?

You should have used another phrase Twista. Getting off your dick is usually in reference to same thing as "sucking your dick, kissing your ass, etc", and believe me I have no respect for you.

Why wouldn't you want power in any move, whether your form is spot on or not? Your post reeks or irony in every statement and the part about my alternate personality? What the shit are you talking about? My personality here usually reflects my personality in person. I'm blunt, sarcastic, and helpful all in one here and in real life.

Open up your mind for once. You're so close-minded and take everything so seriously all the time.

[Dark Twista]

Wow and I thought I was clueless.. Oh man.. I am not going to online fight over tricks with someone who can't trick very well.

[Swartz]

Everything I've stated in this thread is stuff I found to be true from my own experience Dark Twista. I'm not arguing about something I have absolutely no experience in, so suck on that haha.

That isn't the point of my argument though. The point is you're not open to anything. You think only YOUR techniques work, when everyone is actually different.

[J-kob]

That isn't the point of my argument though. The point is you're not open to anything. You think only YOUR techniques work, when everyone is actually different.

He's using the same box as Joe Eigo, regarding the "Thinking outside the box" topic from Sessh heh :wicked:

[alpha7158]

Negative. Why run sideways into a forward move when you can just move lets say forward?

Plus, you dont need that much power for a Gainerflash anyway.
If you do a jstep correctly then it puts your body at an angle to the floor when swinging your leg. It therefore allows you to swing a straight leg from behind you all the way infront of you and up. If you run into it forward then you have problems getting the same swing as your foot would hit the floor if you kept you leg straight the whole move.

edit: I suggest that you don't knock the jstep setup until you have mastered it.

You can still do a non slanted gainer without the jstep. It all depends on where you send your foot after the jstep.

Watch all of the 'pro' tricksters. There is a reason they use the jstep.

edit: I'm not saying running into it forwards is a bad Idea, I'm just saying that jstep is a much more practical takeoff. Running straight is a lot harder and less effective.

edit 2: Please accept what I say with an open mind, I'm not trying to poke holes into your ego. I understand that you are used to doing straight gainers and therefore at the moment that is your setup of choice.

[Less than Dan]

Sessh uses the reverse takeoff, haha. It's the only one I use too :( I never could do the jstep well, I always get thrown off to the side.

[alpha7158]

Sessh uses the reverse takeoff, haha. It's the only one I use too :( I never could do the jstep well, I always get thrown off to the side.
sesh uses all sorts of takeoffs, he picks them as and when based upon how they can be applied to the combo he is doing. Though yeah I have seen him do reverse more than other setups.