540 setups

[BoredArnold]

yes, I tried the search thingy. I couldn't find what i was looking for.

I've been practicing 540's once a week for quite some time now. people say I have a powerful looking tornado kick, but when i try to upgrade to the 540, it looks like some weak little flail. I'm pretty sure my kick is fine, so I think it's my weak setup. i've been using Juji's old tornado setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWVL3YcWSIc

people have mentioned a cheat setup, but i have no idea what that is. other people have told me to try popping it. that didnt seem to fit well with me.

could someone here either redirect me to not a tutorial for a 540, but tutorials for effectively setting up the 540?

and wth does popping and cheat mean?

[Swartz]

Popping is when you punch off the ground 2 legs at a time. If you tried to do a 540 that way it wouldn't be a real 540. It's an easier way to land on the kicking leg but it's a completely different feel and technique. Simply don't do it. There's no good reason to. You'll only develop the wrong habits and you'll still have to learn it the right way eventually. The term "cheating" depends on the move and what's being done. In this case it simply is irrelevant because you shouldn't be trying to cheat your way through learning a move anyway. You know what a proper 540 looks like so focus on doing that and only that.

I don't know of specific tutorials JUST for the 540 takeoff. Most tutorials include that as part of it, but they also show how to do the rest of the move as well.

The takeoff Juji uses is the one I started with as well since I used his old tutorial for learning mine as well...sooo long ago haha.

It's okay. I mean it works. I landed my first with them but if I had known what I do now I would have used a simpler setup that didn't look so dorky. I could explain the proper setup to use in words but you know what? I think I'll make a quick video narrative tutorial for you, just the 540 setup, not the whole thing. I'm sure others can help you too in the meantime but this would be quite useful for you I'm sure and fun for me to do. If I can't do it right now I'll get to it tomorrow, but let me see what I can do here.

Tutorial pending...

[BoredArnold]

thank you mr. swartz!
and for chambering, what exactly does it do?
other than make you spin faster.

[J-kob]

thank you mr. swartz!
and for chambering, is it just simply tucking your leg in, or is there some hidden secret physical aspect that changes the kick?

I think there's no hidden secret to chamber a 540 kick. Which is funny though, I kinda dislike kicks (or should I say, I preffer twists'n'flips over kicks) but still I had no problems with 540. Maybe just at the beginning when I landed it on a non-kicking leg (Tornado kick) and I thought it was already a 540, and then I drilled it for like a half an hour on grass and managed to get it very high and landing on the kicking leg and it was quite amusing (only after I discovered 540 IS landed on kicking leg haha :tongue: ).

And I would really like 2 see your tut swartz, maybe even I can get something of it.

P.S.: yes, BoredArnold, sooner or later you will find out, that Swartz is in fact just as sweet as a pink ranger :shocked:

[Chrow]

For me, it gives alot more power to the move by NOT making a small "pre hop", stepping right into it feels better. Try standing in a little wider than a shoulder-width stance, right foot in front (assuming thats your kicking leg). Then move your weight to the left foot slowly, then rapidly move it to the right foot and back again, but when you move it back on the left, step your right foot just a few (like, 10) centimeters across your left, and use the momentum you created to lift you up, Up, UP! With the left knee.

Hope this helps :)

Peace

Edit: Like this, except its not a 540: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BtDpj69pg8M

[Swartz]

thank you mr. swartz!
and for chambering, what exactly does it do?
other than make you spin faster.

It looks like my video is on hold here for a bit but I'll definetly still do it. As for chambering that's simply bringing your kicking leg up bent then fully extending it by snapping it out. It makes the kick much more powerful, faster and look a whole lot better. And yes, as a result you can get more spin out of it as well since you have so much more speed and power.

There's very few moves that it makes more sense to do a straight legged kick. Anytime you're going to kick, you should focus on chambering it.

[mm tacos rock]

For me, it gives alot more power to the move by NOT making a small "pre hop", stepping right into it feels better. Try standing in a little wider than a shoulder-width stance, right foot in front (assuming thats your kicking leg). Then move your weight to the left foot slowly, then rapidly move it to the right foot and back again, but when you move it back on the left, step your right foot just a few (like, 10) centimeters across your left, and use the momentum you created to lift you up, Up, UP! With the left knee.

Hope this helps :)

Peace

Edit: Like this, except its not a 540: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BtDpj69pg8M
Yes! Finally a right-thinking person who realizes that hop-step is gay and unless!

[BoredArnold]

i know about chambering the kicking leg to make it look more powerful, but what about the non kicking leg? I've tried chambering the non kicking leg like a lot of tutorials have told me to, but then the kick looks WAYY too forced.. and it strains my ankles like crazy. the high impact from this move disables me from drilling it every night.
so should i practice the chambered nonkicking-leg+crazy ankle strain 540 or the unchambered smooth tornado ?

EDIT: Thnx Chrow, the example was really helpful. Right before i jump for the kick, are my feet suppose to face backwards of the target? I tried that and my kick misses the target by like 90 degrees lol

[Chrow]

No problem, glad to help :)
When I'm taking off, and only have my right foot left on the ground, I like it to point a little more than backwards, counter-clockwise; imagine you in the middle, the toes on the right foot should be pointing at the - o - right before it takes off:

Front
Left Right
Back
o

Hugs


Edit: Lol, that didn't work
Try to pause the exampler at 00:04 and look at my foot to get the idea

[JiayoJames]

all set ups come naturally if you relax.

[NoMore]

i cant get Mat Emig setup
it looks so cool, he use same setup to do the 1080!!!
his tutorial: Matt Emig 540 Tutorial - Bilang (http://youtube.com/watch?v=iCqlZrwrABY)

the tutorial is awsome!!!
but i cant make my legs go like this for the setup, its odd :=\

[TKD Tim]

I actually have a tutorial all about the cheat setup in the works right now...though I dunno if I can finish it before I leave on my cruise Saturday.

[Swartz]

i cant get Mat Emig setup
it looks so cool, he use same setup to do the 1080!!!
his tutorial: Matt Emig 540 Tutorial - Bilang (http://youtube.com/watch?v=iCqlZrwrABY)

the tutorial is awsome!!!
but i cant make my legs go like this for the setup, its odd :=\

Dude that's the standard 540 takeoff, it's nothing unique haha. He has a very good 540 but I mean that takeoff is exactly what everyone should be going for.

Also I still plan on making the tutorial. Haven't had a good opportunity yet but I definetly will tonight.

[TKD_Andy]

Also I still plan on making the tutorial. Haven't had a good opportunity yet but I definetly will tonight.

i lol'd.

[Swartz]

i lol'd.

What the fuck are you laughing at? I'm not even making one for the full 540, just the setup. Stop being such a dick Andy. Like I'm not allowing to help people when I obviously know what I'm talking about here? Give it up.

[TKD_Andy]

What the fuck are you laughing at? I'm not even making one for the full 540, just the setup. Stop being such a dick Andy. Like I'm not allowing to help people when I obviously know what I'm talking about here? Give it up.

on the contrary, i lol'd at the idea of you actually helping people!

[shengoikee]

i should really stop visiting TT altogether

[TKD_Andy]

i should really stop visiting TT altogether

i think its shido re-set our posts counts and we left it for a bit :good:

[shengoikee]

yeah if someone resets my postcount i'll probably leave it at zero haha

could ask skilz or someone. not sure if shido's been around for a while. (which makes me sad)

[Swartz]

on the contrary, i lol'd at the idea of you actually helping people!

I do plenty of that. It's not my fault you only happen to see everything else haha. If anything I'm reverting more to the way I used to be on this forum when I first joined.

[TKD_Andy]

yeah if someone resets my postcount i'll probably leave it at zero haha

could ask skilz or someone. not sure if shido's been around for a while. (which makes me sad)

yeah i dont know where shido's been :sad:

[Dyl-sedai]

mine, i use the shifty weight method and it works grand for me!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=I69XHOhyM-0

[CodyLee1337]

My 540 setup is like a huge step...I wonder if I could get a video up somtime.

[Siphin]

chambering is also equivalent to pumping ..

[Swartz]

chambering is also equivalent to pumping ..

No pumping is what you do to set up for the kick (like in a c720 alternating pumping each leg as your rotate). Chambering involves bending your leg right before you kick. You're bending at the knee in both motions but they are not the same thing, it's just 2 parts of the move. There is no pump in a 540 haha.

[NoMore]

im still waiting for that tutorial
and ahh, i do a set forword for my tornado (same setup)
i cant turn that way lol
i set forword with my right lag to make the spid, i cant do that while standing

EDIT: OHHH CRAP!! he starts with his RIGHT LAG FORWARD!! CRAP!!!
i tryed this spin when my LEFT LAG was forward!
dam, gota try this some day

[Shadow5217]

Chambering aplies to the kick its self. Seting the hip up so the kick can come out faster and smoother. The set up Juji uses is the slow set up. There is the quick set up which I prefer here is an example I found on Youtube-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Wc7IdUg2s and theres the wushu set up with is a running quick set up-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PInQ6dIp5ho The Wushu one has EXPLOSIVE power and I really dont recomend that one for begginers because if you lack good body control youll just face plant. Hope this helps.

[Swartz]

I was out of town for Thanksgiving last 2 days. The little help vid will be worked on sometime these next few days when I get around to it.

[Swartz]

Well dang I think this relates to what I was going to do: http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35975

I don't know if anybody still cares for a vid from me, but if not I won't even bother haha. Go look at that thread.

[tuareg]

Thanks for the reminder, i almost forgot about that thread.

[NoMore]

i still want to see what you have to say on your vid :)

[BoredArnold]

finally back from my thanksgiving trip.
I've tried the running set up and it turned into a weird btwist. ahaha.
I've started to encorporate the cheat setup, but i encounter the same problem again: i ram my foot into the ground. I can do the 540 kick just fine, but the kick seems to come out to roughly. I'll try to get a video up soon.