What exactly IS the difference between a suicide swipe and an aerial switch?

[mm tacos rock]

I would appreciate being enlightened.

[poliver]

yeah, gives us the truth!

[Augenatic]

There's almost no difference. Only that an aerial switch is from the aerial setup, and suicide swipe is from the cheat-kick setup.

[Ambitrixterous]

There's almost no difference. Only that an aerial switch is from the aerial setup, and suicide swipe is from the cheat-kick setup.

To everyone still using 'cheat setup' on raiz or raiz variations:
NO! It is not a cheat takeoff and simply lean back! If you've ever met my friend Crazy Asian he'll back me up 100% on this- it is an entirely different takeoff (in fact if you check the actual point of takeoff it IS the same as aerial setup)

But there is very little difference, here it is...

suicide swipe: fully inverted raiz switch
aerial switch: gymnastic aerial switch

when you takeoff on a raiz or invert raiz, you will arch your back and sort of contort your body (turning your chest towards the ceiling and then flipping over) instead of keeping on a straight track in the direction you are facing (with your chest facing forward, then the wall, then back the way you came.)

Something that you may be able to feel while learning is that your body weight will be behind you, instead of directly over or in front of you during the move!

If you really want to get technical in terms of 'flip' spectrum, an invert raiz and its variations will be a gradient from forward to sideways to backward flips & full pseudo axes. A true gymnastic aerial is a forward flip w/180 degree spin. If this makes no sense then stick with above, or message me and I'll fill you in...

Simple, huh!:wise:

[ChrisMack]

... I dont understand... :good:

[poliver]

i believe he says that suicide swipe is just an invert sideswipe :D

[[RozoN]]

There's almost no difference. Only that an aerial switch is from the aerial setup, and suicide swipe is from the cheat-kick setup.

I will stab you :ogre:...haha really there IS a difference between the two...In a suisideswipe your chest is facing UP and you KICK OVER your head. In an aerial switch your chest is facing DOWN through the whole move and you bring your foot DOWN... FatTricks made a really good vid on it...I'll upload it when I get back home...

[Kaos]

I see no similarity between the two tricks what so ever. A suicide swipe is a completely inverted 540 / sideswipe, right? and an aerial is and aerial ?????

Edit: Wheres Skilzat when you need him!

[Gravityjay]

I aerial switch on my left leg and suicide swipe on my right thats the difference...

Also there's more upper body movement in a suicide swipe, my arms do loads when I'm doing any invert raiz, sideswipe, suicide swipe thing. Whereas on aerial switch my legs do pretty much everything... I don't really do aerial switches as they destroy my knee as the left one is the homosexual one...

[Augenatic]

To everyone still using 'cheat setup' on raiz or raiz variations:
NO! It is not a cheat takeoff and simply lean back! If you've ever met my friend Crazy Asian he'll back me up 100% on this- it is an entirely different takeoff (in fact if you check the actual point of takeoff it IS the same as aerial setup)

But there is very little difference, here it is...

suicide swipe: fully inverted raiz switch
aerial switch: gymnastic aerial switch

when you takeoff on a raiz or invert raiz, you will arch your back and sort of contort your body (turning your chest towards the ceiling and then flipping over) instead of keeping on a straight track in the direction you are facing (with your chest facing forward, then the wall, then back the way you came.)

Something that you may be able to feel while learning is that your body weight will be behind you, instead of directly over or in front of you during the move!

If you really want to get technical in terms of 'flip' spectrum, an invert raiz and its variations will be a gradient from forward to sideways to backward flips & full pseudo axes. A true gymnastic aerial is a forward flip w/180 degree spin. If this makes no sense then stick with above, or message me and I'll fill you in...

Simple, huh!:wise: This is too long for me to read ^___^;731459']I will stab you :ogre:...haha really there IS a difference between the two...In a suisideswipe your chest is facing UP and you KICK OVER your head. In an aerial switch your chest is facing DOWN through the whole move and you bring your foot DOWN... FatTricks made a really good vid on it...I'll upload it when I get back home...

Ha, yes I'm sure they're completely different to do, it depends on how you do the move I guess- But technically, an aerial switch is a switched aerial, and a suicideswipe is a switched aerial/low raiz. So the only "technical" difference is the setup, or? That's what I think, at least.

[JiayoJames]

The difference is I can do one and not the other.

[poliver]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9219/23671608pc4.jpg

hey look i made diagramz, dunno if it makes sense :D

[Gravityjay]

brandy and aerial switch should be in opposite places

[[RozoN]]

This is too long for me to read ^___^

Ha, yes I'm sure they're completely different to do, it depends on how you do the move I guess- But technically, an aerial switch is a switched aerial, and a suicideswipe is a switched aerial/low raiz. So the only "technical" difference is the setup, or? That's what I think, at least.

Hmmm... I think you missed my point.... here's FatTricks' vid on it btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsYzzO-R7Y8

[Alexx]

envergoatse hah

[jan]

Bad diagram, haha.


In an aerialswitch, you take off with your front leg and turn "inwards". You kind of turn and kick towards your stomach. Your stomach faces the ground all the way through.

In a suicideswipe, you take off with your front leg and turn the other way, facing the ground with your back instead.

It's a matter of taking off and twisting left or right, sort of.

[Skilzat85X]

http://www.divshare.com/download/2840834-aea

2 Decent Aerial Switches
2 Sub-par Suicide Swipes
2 Decent Sideswipes

[jan]

Your suicideswipes look like my sideswipes, haha.

[Skilzat85X]

I was trying to sideswipe ahaha so they came off askew. They'd probably be better if I was intentionally trying to do a suicide, in terms of being in a more vertical line.

But they're flipped enough to qualify I guess. Either way, one should be able to notice the difference between them in terms of:
- Focus of the head
- Path of the kicking leg
- General flipping/invertedness

And one should DEFINITELY notice the difference between the Aerial Switch and the Suicide Swipe. There's no comparison.

[jan]

Agreed.

Though I find suicideswipe having to be completely upside down to be a suicideswipe though. Sideswipe is diagonal, and laydown 540 is horizontal.

Jester does a MEANNNNNNN suicideswipe. And he combines them as well. Same about Manny Brown.

[shengoikee]

skilz those first 2 sideswipes looked much nicer to me haha. more momentum goes into your feet.

(i don't bother calling anything suicideswipes really)

edit: dang it how dare you be so good at sideswipes! hahaha

i gotta start drilling those more :agony: awesome stuff

[Skilzat85X]

skilz those first 2 sideswipes looked much nicer to me haha. more momentum goes into your feet.

(i don't bother calling anything suicideswipes really)

Yea I never really bothered with the difference much before ahah.

More momentum goes into the feet, but it doesn't laterally into another trick, or into a twist...:wink:

[shengoikee]

haha but inversion is good

layback540gyro = FAIL AT LIFE!!!

[Skilzat85X]

All the sideswipes in that video are inverted lol.
Hips over head from the time the kick starts until it passes the body on the other side.

But yes, everyone does layback540gyros nowadays. :agony: The last excellllent non-laidbackcrap snapuswipe I've seen learned was from Jiyao-Chris. What a man. :good:

[shengoikee]

mmm terada's classic btwistround-hook-snapuswipe combo has the best example of a snapuswipe IMO. he pretty much does a fulltwist out of it haha. so awesome <3

your first sideswipes in that vid are totally snapuable duuuude. just look at terada's!

[Skilzat85X]

mmm terada's classic btwistround-hook-snapuswipe combo has the best example of a snapuswipe IMO. he pretty much does a fulltwist out of it haha. so awesome <3

your first sideswipes in that vid are totally snapuable duuuude. just look at terada's!
Vidz? (of teradas combo)

[shengoikee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWVS2Dx4HH8

like the first 30 seconds he does it :good:

[Skilzat85X]

Maaan so beautiful ahah.

But even then his sideswipe before he twists isn't like my first two. Watch the trajectory (big word tehehe) of the kicking leg. In the first two mine swing down in front of my face and in the other two they come up and across the body in an arch.
In fact, pause it when his snapuswipe reaches the peak of the kick and note his head/hip uhh relation? ratio? comparison? Something like that, just look at them lol.


Ahhh who cares! They're all awesome I say!

Something fun to do with suicide swipes though:
http://b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00509/43/18/509398134_l.gif
<33 haha.
It'd be too hard to get a full out of there though. It'd be like, a cheat flash full. :dead:

[shengoikee]

actually he wasn't as inverted as i thought to tell you the truth :dead: haha

but it was almost like 45 degrees and throughout the twist he was definately inverted

i think the main thing i preferred about your first 2 sideswipes wasn't the inversion but the movement of the upper body in relation to the first lifting leg. the second "suicide" you did was actually veeerrry similar to terada's sideswipe section of his snapu.

the second "suicide" (first example) and the first "sideswipe" (second example) are the 2 to compare really. i mean look at the position of your lifting leg. first one it stays completely behind you in relation to the direction you travel. in the second your lifting leg pushes out in front.

it's all about what the apex of the move looks like. non-kicking leg snapped backwards behind you and kicking leg locked out way above.

i'm having to type this quickly so i probably didn't describe it very well haha