Trick Levels

[J-kob]

I was just wondering...does anybody has the trick level filled to 100% ? And if yes, who?
:punched:

[ChrisMack]

i think the closest is probly sessh. which has all filled except like 85% on the last one. but im not sure

[Shadow5217]

Sessh filled up all but 78% on the F level skills.

[J-kob]

yeah I know that, I've seen it. So noone has it 100% done then?

[Dragonic MiKe]

Some of level F is just stupid.

... so no.

[J-kob]

Some of level F is just stupid.

... so no.

haha, ok thank you :tongue:

[Shaolin.dk]

daniel graham is closer than sessh.

[J-kob]

daniel graham is closer than sessh.

yeah exactly, I've seen that too. Damn I was always like "wow, they are good", but I've never given a thought about if someone completed the Levels so far (or I did, but I thought, since Sessh hasn't got it done 100%, then surely noone has :smile: ).

[erufukami]

Why would we care? Trick levels? ICK
I can't believe "we" put RPing elements into tricking. AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[J-kob]

Why would we care? Trick levels? ICK
I can't believe "we" put RPing elements into tricking. AHHHHHHHHHHHH

lol you completely missed the point here. Of course it isn't important, but trick levels are a good orientation for beginners and also for advanced tricksters. And I didn't ask if you care about the levels, I just asked if anyone completed the whole scale...dOh ! :ogre:

[KJER]

Why would we care? Trick levels? ICK
I can't believe "we" put RPing elements into tricking. AHHHHHHHHHHHH


lol..actualy this the first time i see / hear something like this..''tricking levels''..

[Skippy]

Gary IP has probably filled it, since he can 1440 and do pretty much everything else on it right? I haven't heard of anyone else being able to =P

[J-kob]

Gary IP has probably filled it, since he can 1440 and do pretty much everything else on it right? I haven't heard of anyone else being able to =P

thank you skippy <3

[Skippy]

thank you skippy <3

Dude I'm probably wrong

I know that Sesshoumaru only needs to fill a cheat 720 hyper hook and a 1440 on it though.

[J-kob]

Dude I'm probably wrong

I know that Sesshoumaru only needs to fill a cheat 720 hyper hook and a 1440 on it though.

Haha no problem, if you're wrong surely someone will correct you :wink:

And yeah I know about Sessh. But why didn't he got them yet? Didn't he had an injury not far ago or something?

[Skippy]

They're two highly difficult moves, that's probably why he can't haha.

[TiVo]

NO NO NO NO NO!







no......

To this whole thread.

[Maha]

Sessh is really close,

granted sessh made the lists for each group.

so the importance of filling out the list seems more like a personal checklist than an actual universal tricking skillsheet

[glide2]

Haha no problem, if you're wrong surely someone will correct you :wink:

And yeah I know about Sessh. But why didn't he got them yet?

Because he sucks.

But seriously, are you kidding? Why didn't he got them yet haha, probably for the same reason why he didn't get a cheat 1260 triple or a snapuswipeknife.

[rwm]

Two questions:
What do you reckon Anis's skill completion of Class F will be?
and...When Sessh reaches 100% will he add to the tricking bible new 'goal' moves or leave it as it is.

[mm tacos rock]

I was just wondering...does anybody has the trick level filled to 100% ? And if yes, who?
:punched:
Probably Steve Terada.

[shengoikee]

Probably Steve Terada.

i doubt that. take a look at some of the tricks.

[ngswipe]

there already are harder tricks that are being thrown out there that are not included in the bible: 1080 double, doubleleg twist hyperhook etc

[strider-hajime]

lol you completely missed the point here. Of course it isn't important, but trick levels are a good orientation for beginners and also for advanced tricksters. And I didn't ask if you care about the levels, I just asked if anyone completed the whole scale...dOh ! :ogre:

I dont think anyone will ever fill it up to 100% really, because new moves are being created as we speak, I already have a new move in mind but im not trying this move till i land double corks :punched:

[Bertie]

I don't think anyone evr will, because there are new tricks being created all the time. So therefore no-one will ever be 100% as we are always pushing the limits.

[dpitlock]

the double helix is like impossible.

[Andy R]

wtf is the double helix

[dpitlock]

read the last class

[Neil]

What tricks can't sesshomaru do?

[JiayoJames]

720 btwist hyperhook

[J-kob]

yeah, I guess you guys are right, it will probably never be completed 100% since there's always something new around. But if we regards only the existing trick level charter, probably Sessh really is closest. :wicked:

[Swartz]

The trick leveling system by sessh is stupid as fuck. End of story.

[dpitlock]

Why do you hate it Swartz

[Swartz]

Because it's a glorified trick list and doesn't take into account factors like cleanliness haha. People know what level they're at, they can gauge their own progress and others will see it too when they watch their videos. That's all. I might be a minority by not agreeing with everything from sessh, but my opinion won't change.

[Josharoo]

Just for clarification: The trick levels are based on the tricking bible right?

I'd say the progression he uses is more or less logical, only a few places I would disagree in terms of difficulty.

[saunders]

when i joined TT back in 2004/2005 there was this huge hatred against tricklists. it's pretty funny to see so much ppl with those modern lists in their sig now who don't get hated on, i guess times have changed.
i'm not a fan of sessh's classification system, since a lot of moves are in the wrong class imo (1990 being in class b for instance). but i do think it's a good system to look at when you are new to tricking. before the classification system there were much more threads about new tricksters who don't know where to start, and thanks to sessh new tricksters know where to start.
however i think ppl are trying to fill up their classes too soon, resulting in less clean tricks (i too am guilty of this). sessh put up the system according to his standards.
imo the class system should only be used as a place to start, but not as a guideline.

i am very grateful for the amount of work sessh has put in his articles and classification system tho, he gave tricksters a whole new perspective to look at as well as a lot of new and uncommon moves to be learned, which is always good.

[CotyTricker26]

Because it's a glorified trick list and doesn't take into account factors like cleanliness haha. People know what level they're at, they can gauge their own progress and others will see it too when they watch their videos. That's all. I might be a minority by not agreeing with everything from sessh, but my opinion won't change.

i agree with this post, no pun intended hehe...

[Neil]

I am with Swartz on this one but i would only say i could do a trick when i had perfected it and i wouldn't add to the trick list until i have that trick smooth and perfect.

[Ernest]

A perfect trick is quite subjective though.

[JiayoJames]

I think sess sigs are very important. You won't get good if you don't use it.

[dpitlock]

I like it.

The only problems with it is that it needs to be something that is updated frequently. Also, It should be more of a dictionary then rating of your skill.

[strider-hajime]

I like it.

The only problems with it is that it needs to be something that is updated frequently. Also, It should be more of a dictionary then rating of your skill.

YES finally someone with an idea like mine! Sessh, you heard the man!:tongue:

[Neil]

A perfect trick is quite subjective though.

Yeah i know but i couldn't think of a good word so i just used perfect but when i say that i mean perfect to me, straight legs, smooth twist etc.

[Hyourinmaru]

if you wanna learn a new trick, you do a quest.. then your class % exp goes up..
depending on which class quest you do first..

why oh why cant ppl just trick... ><

[FaithJr]

Sounds like a game now...

New character, choose job class, Do quests, grind, level up, train, grind, level, quests... ect.


Damn...

[jan]

YES finally someone with an idea like mine! Sessh, you heard the man!:tongue:

Because the idea of a tricks dictionary hasn't been thought of one single time the last 7 years. There would be a pretty damn good one made by Shido and some people, if it wasn't for his computer getting pwned by teh virus or whatever.



Tricks levels are gay as fuck.

[J-kob]

Tricks levels are gay as fuck.

isn't it interesting how offtopic can people get... :wicked:

[jan]

Considering the topic is "trick levels", I find myself to be pretty in-topic.

[J-kob]

Considering the topic is "trick levels", I find myself to be pretty in-topic.

Surely I won't make a topic titled "Has any trickster yet accomplished all the tricks in trick level charter"...and then just put and "?" in the post.

You should also consider what the first post in the topic. lol but that is something selfevident...or isn't?

[Skilzat85X]

That doesn't really matter.

Besides, the first post is answered with a simple answer: no.

So, now that you say that this was all the topic was supposed to be about, and the question has indeed been solved, should we just not allow people to talk about anything else and close it? Or should we leave it open with the current discussion related to trick levels?

:snooze:

[jan]

It can be concluded by saying "tricks levels are gay as fuck".


O dang.



A tricktionary would be awesome though. A good one is in the making.

[Hyourinmaru]

Considering the topic is "trick levels", I find myself to be pretty in-topic.

pretty much agree there...

It can be concluded by saying "tricks levels are gay as fuck".


O dang.

lol

[Sudrunk Monkey]

Trictionary... mmm, Trictionary *slobber*

[Skilzat85X]

Trictionaries are nice and all but become useless after you're experienced (experienced in terms of the labels, at least).

But they can be fun to look at.

[Sudrunk Monkey]

Trictionaries are nice and all but become useless after you're experienced (experienced in terms of the labels, at least).

But they can be fun to look at.

My dreams are RUINED.

[Siphin]

i have it full.. but i hold back

[jan]

True. A tricktionary would be useless for me, as I know all the labels and categories already. It'd be good for a beginner though, of course.


Oh btw: GAY AS FAAWKKK! I love being childish.

[Luygeenios]

Completion and perfection do not exist in a world which bases on progression.

If we go on ...
... we will not stop going on.

If Class F is completed ...
... Class G will follow. [G ... G ... G ... G-Unit! ^^]

[Sudrunk Monkey]

Hmm... 1080 b-twist switch

[jan]

Jesus Christ.

[Sudrunk Monkey]

No, that's not a move, Jan.

[simon]

ugh i hate stupid people.i had to stop at page 4 because i was dying.
Sesshs articles are good.especially for people just starting tricks. And i think sessh has a lot of time for these people, on top of the time already taken with articles, tutorials etc. Maybe think about the time and effort put in before you slate something.

End of life lesson from 16 year old.

Jeez i need a life.

[Cicero]

This thread is immature, as is the thread starter.

[jan]

No, that's not a move, Jan.

I was talking about the post above yours, sorry.

[Sudrunk Monkey]

oh.

:S That was my b; sorry! >.<

[sesshoumaru]

It's highly improbable to be able to perform every MAT trick [assuming it's performed to a set standard of quality]: 1) because we're making variations to tricks every damn day, 2) because there are alot of things we don't disclose to the public [when they are made], 3) there are just too many variables [too many tricks to sincerely come to the conclusion that you can do them all].

Like in EX3...alot of people can tornado kick, and alot of people can 540; but how many can tornado double [crescent2round version]? Doesn't sound very hard does it...and many people would automatically deduct that they can do it, but that trick is effin' hard to do [Class D]. Most people wouldn't even consider it a trick [as in, think of doing it], in a matter of fact...I've only seen Bubba and I do it. So for me and Bubba, it's a legitamite trick; but for others, it might not be.

This reason alone is enough to prove that no one will ever be able to do every trick, there are too many variables. This is why no "trick list" is going to have "every trick" in it...and if it does, there is going to be alot of bullshit in it [you have to draw the line somewhere].

Completion and perfection do not exist in a world which bases on progression.

If we go on ...
... we will not stop going on.

If Class F is completed ...
... Class G will follow. [G ... G ... G ... G-Unit! ^^]

:: Exactly ::

[jan]

Loads of people do the tornado double. I do it all the time, and I swing it into aerial variations as well. I've seen Mogwai do it, as well as uhhh.. Morten, Fosse... loads of people. Hahah.

[Inkrepid]

Tornado double as in....do a tornado crescent then follow up with a round kick before landing? How about that thing bubba does where its a tornado round cancel hook basically...my terminologies probably all wrong but hopefully that makes enough sense. I think he called it a 1337 kick in his sampler, but I cant remember.

Edit: I was thinking inside crescent with your right leg then round with your right leg, all while facing the front, vice versa for opposite. That sounds just smashed together and confusing.
Dont tell me you mean outside crescent left leg round kick right leg, Ive been doing those since I started tricking :agony:

[Skilzat85X]

You just kick the same leg twice haha. Kick > rechamber > Kick again.

[Hyourinmaru]

Bubba and sessh only ^^;
i even did it at exg.. its in the sampler even
fosse, mogwai, ejik, Ott.. there's so many i can name from over here.. xD

its called cheat900double...
at least from what i remember back when i learned it..

[jan]

Wrong move. Tornado with two kicks, not a cheat900 with two kicks.

[Inkrepid]

I watched bubbas latest sampler and didnt catch one, any links?

[Shadow5217]

Wrong move. Tornado with two kicks, not a cheat900 with two kicks.

Wouldnt a c9 then a gyro and another round kick before landing be like a
c1260 double? New move?

[Inkrepid]

Wouldnt a c9 then a gyro and another round kick before landing be like a
c1260 double? New move?

Uhh, I dunno where you got this from...no one was talking about that, but I suppose that would be a c1260 double, right up there next to my 1440 triple.

[Skilzat85X]

Wouldnt a c9 then a gyro and another round kick before landing be like a
c1260 double? New move?

Impossible move?

[Skippy]

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[Shadow5217]

Impossible move?

I know its just something Ive been thinking into the realms of posibillity and then you guys were talking about c9 doubles it just reminded me of that possibillity that I was thinking about but for me NO it is impossible for me at my current level and probablly wont happen unless Tricking goes into genetic engineering.....

[sesshoumaru]

Loads of people do the tornado double. I do it all the time, and I swing it into aerial variations as well. I've seen Mogwai do it, as well as uhhh.. Morten, Fosse... loads of people. Hahah.

Yes...alot of people do a tornado double

BUT

Not alot of people do this tornado double [00:49]

Pacific Jewel Nationals - Stage

You just kick the same leg twice haha. Kick > rechamber > Kick again.

Try it :wink:

[Andy R]

Yes...alot of people do a tornado double

BUT

Not alot of people do this tornado double [00:49]

Pacific Jewel Nationals - Stage

I dont think you should call it a tornado double, because if you did that with a 900, it wouldnt be a 900 double :worry:

[Shadow5217]

Yes...alot of people do a tornado double

BUT

Not alot of people do this tornado double [00:49]

Pacific Jewel Nationals - Stage

That was sick

[sesshoumaru]

Tornado double as in....do a tornado crescent then follow up with a round kick before landing? How about that thing bubba does where its a tornado round cancel hook basically...my terminologies probably all wrong but hopefully that makes enough sense. I think he called it a 1337 kick in his sampler, but I cant remember.

Edit: I was thinking inside crescent with your right leg then round with your right leg, all while facing the front, vice versa for opposite. That sounds just smashed together and confusing.
Dont tell me you mean outside crescent left leg round kick right leg, Ive been doing those since I started tricking :agony:

The Leet Kick is a Parafuso into a hook kick that's being fired off in the opposite direction you're rotating.

[Sudrunk Monkey]

... this is kinda like Tricking Theory 101 or something, just for the record ya'll!

oh, and, uh, DAYUM, that was sweet...

[Skilzat85X]

Actually, I think not many people tornado double leg this too:
http://a667.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/128/l_39d6c68f601a821663212231aae09242.gif

[Dynamist]

Casting Tornado Kick

*5xp gained*

YOU HAVE REACHED LEVEL 2!!!

[Sudrunk Monkey]

*blinks*

That... is cool, btw.

[sesshoumaru]

I dont think you should call it a tornado double, because if you did that with a 900, it wouldnt be a 900 double :worry:

Well that's the special clause within kicking tecniques that use the term "double". Tricks that have less than 360-degrees of rotation and also have more than one kick being executed on a single target, can be reffered to as a "double".

- Alvin Kash Chan's Pop 360 Double
- Bubba's Tornado Double [cresent2round]
- Anis's Tornado Double [twist2round]
- Btwist Double Round [round2round]

Normally, the kicking leg has to be repeated [same leg has to be used twice] with a full rotation in between each kick, for it to be considered a "double".

- Pop 720 Double
- Cheat 900 Double
- Pop 900 Double

[Andy R]

Well that's the special clause within kicking tecniques that use the term "double". Tricks that have less than 360-degrees of rotation and also have more than one kick being executed on a single target, can be reffered to as a "double".


- Pop 720 Double
- Cheat 900 Double
- Pop 900 Double
Ahh ok. Hocine does this with cork rounds

edit: wait, so sessh.. what would it be if you did a cheat 900, rechambered and kicked again

[Dave]

Cheat 900-late round??? That's my guess.




And to all the people bitching about the classing of tricks.

I wish you could all focus your energy into making the list better/more intricate than constantly bashing it. Do you not realise if you ever want to make a living out of tricking tricks will have to be rated for competition purposes. If we can add to the excellent start sessh has given the community with his work and build on it, working towards making it something the majority of the community could be happy with, we could get that much closer to advancing in tricking.

If tricking could become a true competition, judged, then we could start getting sponsors, then tricking could pick up and be something great which you could even make a living off of.

It is a sport solely interested in the visual aspects of the movements being executed, you think there isn't a place for this on T.V,!?!? You are crazy!



But yeah, I understand a lot of people want it to stay "underground" and what have you, but nonetheless, people should respect the opinions of those who would like to take tricking further. Those who put tremendous time and effort into tricking could be given accolades for such work.

Just something to think about.

[Inkrepid]

Actually, I think not many people tornado double leg this too:
http://a667.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/128/l_39d6c68f601a821663212231aae09242.gif

Ahhh the glories tricking without shoes. :tongue:

[AjStyles]

I think somebody needs to write a article and explain all these.
LOL i am totally blur.

[Hyourinmaru]

Cheat 900-late round??? That's my guess.




And to all the people bitching about the classing of tricks.

I wish you could all focus your energy into making the list better/more intricate than constantly bashing it. Do you not realise if you ever want to make a living out of tricking tricks will have to be rated for competition purposes. If we can add to the excellent start sessh has given the community with his work and build on it, working towards making it something the majority of the community could be happy with, we could get that much closer to advancing in tricking.

If tricking could become a true competition, judged, then we could start getting sponsors, then tricking could pick up and be something great which you could even make a living off of.

It is a sport solely interested in the visual aspects of the movements being executed, you think there isn't a place for this on T.V,!?!? You are crazy!



But yeah, I understand a lot of people want it to stay "underground" and what have you, but nonetheless, people should respect the opinions of those who would like to take tricking further. Those who put tremendous time and effort into tricking could be given accolades for such work.

Just something to think about.

Dave.. it sounds almost as if you want to make tricking into like.. fotball or something..
and, even if you got judges and stuff, how would you take in account the individuals style of doing a trick... to me, thats what makes tricking special, no ones does a trick exactly the same way, and to me thats really cool about it, it gives tricking itself a sense of individuality. and what you're talking about seems to me like it would remove that great aspect of it..
just for the sake of entertainment, which is.. well, not why i started doing it.
i dunno.. maybe im just writing alot of deep bullshit XD..
not good at this shit..

[Dave]

Dave.. it sounds almost as if you want to make tricking into like.. fotball or something..
and, even if you got judges and stuff, how would you take in account the individuals style of doing a trick... to me, thats what makes tricking special, no ones does a trick exactly the same way, and to me thats really cool about it, it gives tricking itself a sense of individuality. and what you're talking about seems to me like it would remove that great aspect of it..
just for the sake of entertainment, which is.. well, not why i started doing it.
i dunno.. maybe im just writing alot of deep bullshit XD..
not good at this shit..

Haha dude that's cool!

And to clarify, I wasn't really speaking for myself when I was talking about that stuff I was just sort of putting it out there.

I mean tricking could almost have it's own X-games sub category... it's entertainment value is phenomenal. Even my dad who didn't know what the hell was going on watched tricking samplers for like 15 minutes when I went away from the computer for a bit haha. And he said he wasn't bored at all, he was just fascinated, intrigued and amazed.

My point was, despite some people's opinions on the ranking of moves, it does actual serve a purpose. Many purposes actually, but one of them would be that it gives a way of "judging" tricking. A lot of people aren't about that and that's cool, like I said before I'm just talking about possibilities.

You say about taking into account people's style, well that would obviously be quite subjective and honestly I don't know how you could go around that.

But that's the type of problem a community could figure out if it were all working together to help solve the problem [if there was a big enough push from people who were interested].


Or, perhaps the only way it would work is if tricker's participated in battles. It worked for b-boys. That could be a good start. Then from there it could possibly divide into more categories like little competitions for cleanest moves, most powerful, most smooth, most aggressive, most technical, etc. etc.

I don't know, it just seems like something which could be performed in front of a crowd and people could gain some rewards for their efforts. The crowds may be ignorant to what is truly going on, but the trickers wouldn't be.

One day I think it will happen, just like with b-boying or beatboxing. Tricking can't stay underground forever.

[Hyourinmaru]

Haha dude that's cool!

And to clarify, I wasn't really speaking for myself when I was talking about that stuff I was just sort of putting it out there.

I mean tricking could almost have it's own X-games sub category... it's entertainment value is phenomenal. Even my dad who didn't know what the hell was going on watched tricking samplers for like 15 minutes when I went away from the computer for a bit haha. And he said he wasn't bored at all, he was just fascinated, intrigued and amazed.

My point was, despite some people's opinions on the ranking of moves, it does actual serve a purpose. Many purposes actually, but one of them would be that it gives a way of "judging" tricking. A lot of people aren't about that and that's cool, like I said before I'm just talking about possibilities.

You say about taking into account people's style, well that would obviously be quite subjective and honestly I don't know how you could go around that.

But that's the type of problem a community could figure out if it were all working together to help solve the problem [if there was a big enough push from people who were interested].


Or, perhaps the only way it would work is if tricker's participated in battles. It worked for b-boys. That could be a good start. Then from there it could possibly divide into more categories like little competitions for cleanest moves, most powerful, most smooth, most aggressive, most technical, etc. etc.

I don't know, it just seems like something which could be performed in front of a crowd and people could gain some rewards for their efforts. The crowds may be ignorant to what is truly going on, but the trickers wouldn't be.

One day I think it will happen, just like with b-boying or beatboxing. Tricking can't stay underground forever.

ah, get what you mean dude..
yea.. agree with the potential it has and all.. totally, would just be a big turn-around from the normal views on tricking i already have.. hehe
well, i'll just keep on tricking and see where the evolution of the sport get to, and where i feel i wanna fit in in it all..

[TKD_Andy]

the whole tricking level thing is really only for noobs to gain a basic understanding of tricks and how hard they are.

Aside from that, its completely useless.

[Shadow5217]

the whole tricking level thing is really only for noobs to gain a basic understanding of tricks and how hard they are.

Aside from that, its completely useless.

/+2\

[eddy wang]

I watched bubbas latest sampler and didnt catch one, any links?System of a Down's sampler.

Actually, I think not many people tornado double leg this too:
http://a667.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/128/l_39d6c68f601a821663212231aae09242.gif

Oh so the fucked boy is called tornado double.
hummmmm......

[verdinxjonn]

what is this trick level stuff?

[Swartz]

System of a Down's sampler.

He used SOAD in both of his most recent bilang samplers.

[eddy wang]

He used SOAD in both of his most recent bilang samplers.

Desorder, desorder.