View Full Version : Basic moves
TysonTF
Nov-23-07, 05:03 PM
These are some basic moves I did in my Backyard about a month ago. If you have any tips on how I can improve it would be cool. Basics are the foundation somebody once secretly told me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZqM8215hU
shengoikee
Nov-23-07, 05:14 PM
maaan you got a lot of power. standing fronts and fulls are really impressive. keep at the corks/gainerfulls! looks like you're keeping good form on those, just keep going for it.
maybe drill a few basic kicks to get the btwist and kick variations a lil snappier. just rep stuff loads. you could get some mad height on those 720s looking at the backtucks you were doing!
otherwise that was some pretty good stuff man =D
saulus
Nov-23-07, 05:15 PM
oh sweet i like your moves...how long do you trick!?...backtuck is crazy!...a 720tip would be that you look at your target on the first spin as long as you can than wrap around and kick out....gainervariation tipp is that you have to(or should) learn a real j-step because your take-off is killing your height and power....nice basics man....nothing more to say just keep up basic work to get all that really clean.+ i like your style really much!!
strider-hajime
Nov-23-07, 05:42 PM
sick.
BboyAgua
Nov-23-07, 10:07 PM
You seem like me, you have good standing flips and gainers but the J-step seems to screw you up. Just work your cork from standing cuz your G-flash is better. I'm not a J-stepper and no regrets haha.
TysonTF
Nov-24-07, 02:52 AM
Thanks guys. With my j-step, does it have to do with me not letting my swinging leg travel through enough, is that why I lose height you think? Also it might be where i was doing it because my backyard makes me feel like I don't have much room so i might go easy on some moves thus, making it worse.
here's a .gif of my standing cork, from a j-step set up, am i right?
hmm i forget why i am posting this, something to do with bboyaqua...
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o262/Tysonsphotos/standingcorker.gif
saulus
Nov-24-07, 08:15 AM
really nice standing cork but that's no j-step setup you just do the last step of it ^^...a j-step is with a small run before or a big run if you're able to do it then...and yes...your leg has to kick through....but if you're doing it right you're going to fly...you already have head height on your corks you psycho
Bertie
Nov-24-07, 11:19 AM
Nice stuff there man. Really nice. Keep it up.
OMG I love you're b-twist/ b-kick !!
TysonTF
Nov-24-07, 08:32 PM
really nice standing cork but that's no j-step setup you just do the last step of it ^^...a j-step is with a small run before or a big run if you're able to do it then...and yes...your leg has to kick through....but if you're doing it right you're going to fly...you already have head height on your corks you psycho
Are just saying that as a general statement that your leg has to kick through in a j-step set-up or are you saying that I have to kick my leg through moar?
BboyAgua
Nov-24-07, 09:46 PM
hmm i forget why i am posting this, something to do with bboyaqua...
Haha goldfish attention span too? Making something hang on...
Badams
Nov-24-07, 10:19 PM
That was good. Your standing backs and fronts are pretty big; you and your spring loaded legs.
BboyAgua
Nov-24-07, 10:50 PM
Open this first:
http://www.divshare.com/download/2880202-a6f
It's creepy how similar our cork technique is. Both of those corks in my clip are old, but all that's changed is my j-step cork now is landable and my reverse cork is way better, but the technique problems are still there, just lessened. Anyways the focus should not be on the position of the swinging leg. If you watch Teddy's double cork tut he teaches bent swing knee, and it since it shortens the radius of your leg it helps translate momentum easier as long as you aren't twisting at that point in time. So there is a time to straighten and time to bend but that's not that important for you right now. There are 3 insanely critical angles you need to focus on.
Your standing cork is a cork with a "reverse" setup, minus the use of gravity from a pivot to start the kick, so for analysis purposes, consider it as the reverse cork from my clip.
1). The angle of your ankle on takeoff. Slow down my clip, watch the J-step takeoff. I jump off the ball of my foot. On the reverse setup I lift off my toes.
2). The angle of your jumping knee. This one is a no-brainer, straighten your knee as you jump. It happens when you standing cork, not when you j-step.
3). The angle of your hips on takeoff. This one is more tricky, as the j-step adds the biggest change to the purpose of the hips. On reverse, you begin standing tall, and as long as you don't open your hips or sink too hollow they make a striaght up and down angle to the ground without much effort. With a J-step the tendency (what we do), is to open your hips, to create the perpendicular jumping angle before you resisted enough of your travelling momentum. Once you open your hips, you have to jump, you can no longer push against into the ground. You actually have this problem slightly less than I did, but is still dramatically translating your power in the wrong direction.
It all boils down to: once you get momentum from a J-step, how do you use it?
Almost all technique problems are both functional flaws, and symptoms of other functional flaws. Those bad angles I described are such, and I recommend 2 things, besides focusing completely the 3 angles solely, which could reduce them as symptoms. First off, turn more. THe more you can pivot back the way you came, while resisting the forward momentum, your will have time to pick off the ground, allowing you to push through your toes, and the heel lift will actually be in the direction of the flipping motion, not against it. Secondly, take longer steps. Your hip angle needs to match the direction of your force, not the direction of the floor, UNTIL you actually jump. Therefore you want your hips to be leaning back, if you are pushing you ground forward. These are the only two ways to resist your momentum. Try to think about landing where you took off, to focus on cancelling out your travel cuz it generates your power.
A few more tips: try a 1 step J-step. Work your pivot gainers with a longer stretch and lower hop.
I prolly left out some important stuff but my this is all off the top of my head. Hope this helps, and let me know how you progress. I'm on the same journey as you, you could help me too if you learn something worth sharing. I just don't see J-steps being my cork method of choice, even though I get the J-step now, doesn't mean I like em haha.
kinetic
Nov-24-07, 11:32 PM
Thanks guys. With my j-step, does it have to do with me not letting my swinging leg travel through enough, is that why I lose height you think? Also it might be where i was doing it because my backyard makes me feel like I don't have much room so i might go easy on some moves thus, making it worse.
here's a .gif of my standing cork, from a j-step set up, am i right?
hmm i forget why i am posting this, something to do with bboyaqua...
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o262/Tysonsphotos/standingcorker.gif
You're a powerhouse geez :tongue:
Kofski
Nov-25-07, 01:07 AM
really nice, the standing backflip was GREAT, all the rest you need to clean and work more, but you will get far [= you have great power
tuareg
Nov-25-07, 01:11 AM
Nice tricks dude, how long have you been tricking?
TysonTF
Nov-25-07, 04:08 AM
Open this first:
http://www.divshare.com/download/2880202-a6f
It's creepy how similar our cork technique is. Both of those corks in my clip are old, but all that's changed is my j-step cork now is landable and my reverse cork is way better, but the technique problems are still there, just lessened. Anyways the focus should not be on the position of the swinging leg. If you watch Teddy's double cork tut he teaches bent swing knee, and it since it shortens the radius of your leg it helps translate momentum easier as long as you aren't twisting at that point in time. So there is a time to straighten and time to bend but that's not that important for you right now. There are 3 insanely critical angles you need to focus on.
Your standing cork is a cork with a "reverse" setup, minus the use of gravity from a pivot to start the kick, so for analysis purposes, consider it as the reverse cork from my clip.
1). The angle of your ankle on takeoff. Slow down my clip, watch the J-step takeoff. I jump off the ball of my foot. On the reverse setup I lift off my toes.
2). The angle of your jumping knee. This one is a no-brainer, straighten your knee as you jump. It happens when you standing cork, not when you j-step.
3). The angle of your hips on takeoff. This one is more tricky, as the j-step adds the biggest change to the purpose of the hips. On reverse, you begin standing tall, and as long as you don't open your hips or sink too hollow they make a striaght up and down angle to the ground without much effort. With a J-step the tendency (what we do), is to open your hips, to create the perpendicular jumping angle before you resisted enough of your travelling momentum. Once you open your hips, you have to jump, you can no longer push against into the ground. You actually have this problem slightly less than I did, but is still dramatically translating your power in the wrong direction.
It all boils down to: once you get momentum from a J-step, how do you use it?
Almost all technique problems are both functional flaws, and symptoms of other functional flaws. Those bad angles I described are such, and I recommend 2 things, besides focusing completely the 3 angles solely, which could reduce them as symptoms. First off, turn more. THe more you can pivot back the way you came, while resisting the forward momentum, your will have time to pick off the ground, allowing you to push through your toes, and the heel lift will actually be in the direction of the flipping motion, not against it. Secondly, take longer steps. Your hip angle needs to match the direction of your force, not the direction of the floor, UNTIL you actually jump. Therefore you want your hips to be leaning back, if you are pushing you ground forward. These are the only two ways to resist your momentum. Try to think about landing where you took off, to focus on cancelling out your travel cuz it generates your power.
A few more tips: try a 1 step J-step. Work your pivot gainers with a longer stretch and lower hop.
I prolly left out some important stuff but my this is all off the top of my head. Hope this helps, and let me know how you progress. I'm on the same journey as you, you could help me too if you learn something worth sharing. I just don't see J-steps being my cork method of choice, even though I get the J-step now, doesn't mean I like em haha.
Thanks for that man. Because I am terrible at understanding things from one read i'll refer to this when i train them in my backyard and i'll let you know how I progress.
Nice tricks dude, how long have you been tricking?
umm i've been TRICKING for about a year probably. That is for saulus as well. There you are saulus.
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