Sideswipe

[Traitor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNPwGET-aQg

Can't seem to get it :/

Still looks like a laid back 540

[Jon P]

you seem to be treating it like a 540 kick still.
you are turning your shoulders / hips and kicking the kicking leg around the non-kicking leg.
You need to throw everything up and BACK...not around. arch your back and throw your hips as HIGH as possible.
So you want the kick to come upwards torwards your face... kick like a front kick, not around the non-kicking leg like a roundkick.
Hope that makes sense man!

[Traitor]

you seem to be treating it like a 540 kick still.
you are turning your shoulders / hips and kicking the kicking leg around the non-kicking leg.
You need to throw everything up and BACK...not around. arch your back and throw your hips as HIGH as possible.
So you want the kick to come upwards torwards your face kick a front kick, not around the non-kicking leg like a roundkick.
Hope that makes sense man!

okie im gonna go try em again :D

[Shadow5217]

Simply put, You cant just throw it like a 540 you have throw it like a Raiz switch. You have to throw a Raiz then switch over the kick over you head. The landing should be like a Flash Kick.

[Shaolin.dk]

the key for me to the sideswipe, was to arch back and dip down as much as possible and look over the shoulder i kick towards. Some say its better to not dip down and just let the leading leg invert you. keep tryin

[TheRef]

Simply put, You cant just throw it like a 540 you have throw it like a Raiz switch. You have to throw a Raiz then switch over the kick over you head. The landing should be like a Flash Kick.

So is a sideswipe the same as a raiz switch? Though its just more of a kick than bringing your leg over?

[TKD_Andy]

Simply put, You cant just throw it like a 540 you have throw it like a Raiz switch.

urgh...

sideswipe = inverted 540 dumbass.

[Jon P]

urgh...

sideswipe = inverted 540 dumbass.

Yup. and that is fine for explaining how the move LOOKS...but to explain how it is PERFORMED -- you cannot treat it like a 540. It is completely different.
Like I said above...in a 540 kick the kicking leg kicks over the non kicking leg via roundkick or crescent.
In a sideswipe the kick has to come up torwards the head / straight back via front lift kick (just like a flashkick or gainer).
Totally different motion. Its like comparing a tornado kick to a raiz.
Just as you don't think tornado kick when you raiz, you shouldn't think 540 when you sideswipe.

[Shadow5217]

urgh...

sideswipe = inverted 540 dumbass.

Hey dip shit. KICKING OVER THE HEAD AND LANDING LIKE A FLASH KICK IS INVERSION!! And if you want to be a stupid little cunt and not read through things be my guest but if you want to insult me FIRST READ THINGS THROUGH!!

[Shadow5217]

urgh...

sideswipe = inverted 540 dumbass.

Out of all people you should know that, Because of your tutorial is why I have one. That and Jayr De Guzman's tutorial.

[TKD_Andy]

Hey dip shit. KICKING OVER THE HEAD AND LANDING LIKE A FLASH KICK IS INVERSION!! And if you want to be a stupid little cunt and not read through things be my guest but if you want to insult me FIRST READ THINGS THROUGH!!

for fucks sake. Seriously. THINK.

christ there are some fucking dumbasses.

THINK man. A sideswipe is an inverted 540. So you start with a 540, then start working on inverting it. You dont go 'oh ill learn a raiz then put a pansy-ass kick in it and hope that nobody will notice'. NO. You do a 540, arch like motherfucker and KICK like theres no fucking tomorrow.

Thats all there is to a sideswipe. There no shitty 'raiz-switch' because thats just a euphemism that people who can DO sideswipes use, because its a DESCRIPITVE explanation of the move, NOT a way of learning it, becuase its BAD to learn it like that.

[Traitor]

for fucks sake. Seriously. THINK.

christ there are some fucking dumbasses.

THINK man. A sideswipe is an inverted 540. So you start with a 540, then start working on inverting it. You dont go 'oh ill learn a raiz then put a pansy-ass kick in it and hope that nobody will notice'. NO. You do a 540, arch like motherfucker and KICK like theres no fucking tomorrow.

Thats all there is to a sideswipe. There no shitty 'raiz-switch' because thats just a euphemism that people who can DO sideswipes use, because its a DESCRIPITVE explanation of the move, NOT a way of learning it, becuase its BAD to learn it like that.

This is confusing me greatly, so what should I do?

[TKD_Andy]

get a strong 540.

Understand what it takes to get it inverted (i.e seesaw principle of inversion)

PRACTISE. Try a SHITLOAD of different methods. Dont take what i say as gospel, what works for me might not work for you. Just dont start with a raiz and work backwards to get a sideswipe.

Take your 540, add the principles of getting inverted etc, then do it :good:

[Shadow5217]

for fucks sake. Seriously. THINK.

christ there are some fucking dumbasses.

THINK man. A sideswipe is an inverted 540. So you start with a 540, then start working on inverting it. You dont go 'oh ill learn a raiz then put a pansy-ass kick in it and hope that nobody will notice'. NO. You do a 540, arch like motherfucker and KICK like theres no fucking tomorrow.

Thats all there is to a sideswipe. There no shitty 'raiz-switch' because thats just a euphemism that people who can DO sideswipes use, because its a DESCRIPITVE explanation of the move, NOT a way of learning it, becuase its BAD to learn it like that.

You arch in a Raiz. Just like a Sideswipe. Of course you kick. It is A KICK. Im not saying to switch over, like you said it is a easy way to describe it but I am not saying to just switch but you kick during the switch.

[Traitor]

get a strong 540.

Understand what it takes to get it inverted (i.e seesaw principle of inversion)

PRACTISE. Try a SHITLOAD of different methods. Dont take what i say as gospel, what works for me might not work for you. Just dont start with a raiz and work backwards to get a sideswipe.

Take your 540, add the principles of getting inverted etc, then do it :good:

I think my 540 is redy or should i work on it more?

[Shadow5217]

get a strong 540.

Understand what it takes to get it inverted (i.e seesaw principle of inversion)

PRACTISE. Try a SHITLOAD of different methods. Dont take what i say as gospel, what works for me might not work for you. Just dont start with a raiz and work backwards to get a sideswipe.

Take your 540, add the principles of getting inverted etc, then do it :good:

I had my 540 FIRST. Before I had my Raiz. I didnt work backwards the 540 was the first Kick I learned.

[TKD_Andy]

You arch in a Raiz. Just like a Sideswipe. Of course you kick. It is A KICK. Im not saying to switch over, like you said it is a easy way to describe it but I am not saying to just switch but you kick during the switch.

a kick and a switch are phenomenally different things :bad:


e.g you would say you kick in an aerial switch. And seeing as we've establised that a 'low raiz' shares almost the exact same principles as an aerial, you wouldnt have cause to kick on doing a raiz switch, simply becuase you dont kick in an aerial switch.

[Shadow5217]

a kick and a switch are phenomenally different things :bad:


e.g you would say you kick in an aerial switch. And seeing as we've establised that a 'low raiz' shares almost the exact same principles as an aerial, you wouldnt have cause to kick on doing a raiz switch, simply becuase you dont kick in an aerial switch.

Again, I said switch because its an easyer way to explain. Besides when first learning it not too many people will have a descent kick in it.

[nibz]

I think my 540 is redy or should i work on it more?

In my opinion you need to work your 540 abit more, your landing seemed short, though it might be because of jeans and jacket that cut off movement, but you wanna be able to feel the lift kick and then land with ease before you try sideswips, when you build the strength to have a nice high strong 540, inverting it wont be a problem. But yeah i would drill your 540 and while your at it doing some raiz drills probably would help you so you get the inverted feeling. Hope i helped.

And shadow and andy maybe you guys should stop arguing like a bunch of fucking girls and help the guy who asked for help to beginwith.

[Shadow5217]

In my opinion you need to work your 540 abit more, your landing seemed short, though it might be because of jeans and jacket that cut off movement, but you wanna be able to feel the lift kick and then land with ease before you try sideswips, when you build the strength to have a nice high strong 540, inverting it wont be a problem. But yeah i would drill your 540 and while your at it doing some raiz drills probably would help you so you get the inverted feeling. Hope i helped.

And shadow and andy maybe you guys should stop arguing like a bunch of fucking girls and help the guy who asked for help to beginwith.

True. We just seen the exicution in many different ways and had a bitch fit about it. SOME ADVICE would be to not listen to the arguent people and wait for someone calm and collected.

[Asura]

Doing a 540 is nothing like doing a Sideswipe. The only similarities are found within the kick [you kick the same leg], and the rotation [you rotate the same number of degrees].

Other than that [which only accounts for about 30% of the move], there are alot of other things you must consider: 1) the take-off position [which can only be learned from doing Raiz], 2) the brief hollowing of the back, or "cheating into gainer" that occurs before the "switch & kick" [which is learned by doing Raiz], 3) the inversion [with the head located slightly below the hips, Raiz], 4) the actual "switch & kick" [which is very much like a Flash Kick].

The Raiz is more important to the technique of the Sideswipe than the kick is...the kick occurs last. Everything before that, is about the execution of a Raiz. Before you focus on having a powerful kick, focus on having a "good" Raiz first.

[Skilzat85X]

Doing a 540 is nothing like doing a Sideswipe. The only similarities are found within the kick [you kick the same leg], and the rotation [you rotate the same number of degrees].

Other than that [which only accounts for about 30% of the move], there are alot of other things you must consider: 1) the take-off position [which can only be learned from doing Raiz], 2) the brief hollowing of the back, or "cheating into gainer" that occurs before the "switch & kick" [which is learned by doing Raiz], 3) the inversion [with the head located slightly below the hips, Raiz], 4) the actual "switch & kick" [which is very much like a Flash Kick].

The Raiz is more important to the technique of the Sideswipe than the kick is...the kick occurs last. Everything before that, is about the execution of a Raiz. Before you focus on having a powerful kick, focus on having a "good" Raiz first.
Listen to this.

The Raiz is the base of many techniques, and will make or break them. Sideswipes Swipeknifes Snapuswipes are all POINTLESS if the Raiz foundation isn't strong. If it is strong, those variations will not be as difficult.

[funaki4]

Oh I got a question.

There's a Raiz Tutorial on Youtube, and the guy said that there are two types of Raizes.

One looks like a laid-back 360 Crescent or Feliong Kick or whatever and the other looks like a Gumbi without your hands.

Which one is the correct one to build up for Sideswipes and Snapuswipes and stuff?

[Skilzat85X]

Probably neither to be honest ahah.

[funaki4]

So how do you correctly do it then!?

[Skilzat85X]

Da-da-da-da-daaaa-daaaaa!

http://www.justtheskills.com/index.php?act=show_guide&v_id=17

There are different approaches, here is my take.

[funaki4]

Wow, I'm a retard. I thought you jump backwards in a Raiz lmao.

Cause the videos I saw, it looked like the people jumped backwards.

Thanks man, it makes so much more sense to me.

Okay, ONE LAST QUESTION: I cartwheel on my left side, so which side do I raiz on?

THANK YOU.

[Asura]

Project 8 has a "Sideswipe Tutorial" in it [kinda]. It goes over the "checkpoints" that reside in tricks listed.


Project 8