DOUBLE PUMP DOESNT EXIST.

[TKD_Andy]

christ! What the fuck is it with all these people saying they're doing 'double pumps'?

540 hook = one pump or no pump

Juji/shengoikee/myself/countless others do a singular pump
Waterboy/Dantess/Danny Graham dont pump at all.

the pump is the motion of switching the leg positions.

PUMPING IS NOT BRINGING THE OTHER LEG UP TO YOUR CHEST! THATS NOT PUMPING AT ALL! THATS JUST TUCKING UP INTO A BALL AND MAKING YOU ROTATE SLOWER!

540 hook with a pump:

lifting the kicking leg up, taking off. Then PUMPING the leg down and bringing the other leg up at the same time. To complete the pump, you then bring the kicking leg back up and the non-kicking leg back down.

This is one complete pump.

If you do a double pump, you'd have to do this whole thing twice, which is entirely pointless.

[Swartz]

You really shouldn't give a shit about something so trivial. It's just tricking.

[Augenatic]

I totally agree.

[Flowers]

lol starting the year off right with a semantics war.

[Swartz]

No I started off the new year by sledding down some shitty hill at 4 am.

[bubbaramrod]

I'll double pump my dick into your throat.

[Siphin]

why? just.. why?

[Andy R]

I'll double pump my dick into your throat.

I'll liquefy your throat and pump it into your dick.

[Augenatic]

On the other side, a single pumped c720 is, technically, how Skilzat did them in his tutorial, pumping only one leg. So the Juji-style c720 is, again technically, double-pumped.

I still agree on the not-at-all-pumped-c720 thing though ^____^.

[jan]

http://picture.yatego.com/images/44ad2d83e9f844.7/690000040730.jpg

Pumping twice is dangerous!

[Skilzat85X]

Haha I agree.

I actually made a topic about this a while ago.

Of course I'll still acknowledge that I know what people mean when they say double pump, cause unfortunately we'll never get people to not use the terminology.

[Siphin]

its just terminology who cares close thread

[Skilzat85X]

its just terminology who cares close thread
I wouldn't really say that. This terminology discrepancy could lead to confusion which could actually hurt someone's ability to do the trick if they were trying to learn it.

As TKD_Andy brought out, there's one pump which is the motion of the non-kicking chamber as the kicking leg pulls back down or something to that effect.
So this could confuse someone. If you call it "double pump" does this mean they have to try to do this motion twice?
Some may think that "pump" simply means chamber. So should they use the same motion for both the kicking leg chamber and the non-kicking pump chamber? Surely to try to do both these motions the same would be detrimental, for the pump and the chamber for the kick are two completely different motions.
Pumping is more than a mere chamber.

[eddy wang]

great post TKD_andy

[Augenatic]

But doesen't the outstraightening of the kicking leg in the "double pump" count? Or is it still a "double pump" if it's bent throughout the spin?

[Skilzat85X]

But doesen't the outstraightening of the kicking leg in the "double pump" count? Or is it still a "double pump" if it's bent throughout the spin?

Why would it?

[eddy wang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chTmo5FVYXk Sessh's Words= the non-kicking leg pump upwards as i spot my target.
I wonder how they will pump twice like that.

[Augenatic]

Why would it?

I don't know, actually haha .

[Siphin]

I don't know, actually haha .

lolz

[sesshoumaru]

You really shouldn't give a shit about something so trivial. It's just tricking.

Hahaha...he is right though. It's impossible to "double pump" a C7. However, it is possible to "double pump" a C9 [Kash Chan, Steve Miller].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chTmo5FVYXk Sessh's Words= the non-kicking leg pump upwards as i spot my target.
I wonder how they will pump twice like that.

In the C7 [or any cheat trick], the first time you drive your knee upwards is a part of the "cheat setup"...it's not a "pump". It's a "pump" once you've switched your legs...

[Martialartsguyfl]

pumping the legs makes a huge difference looks wise, making it look more powerful and pretty IMO. Plus if you can hook it thats another huge upgrade.

[Dantess]

Juji/shengoikee/myself/countless others do a singular pump
Waterboy/Dantess/Danny Graham dont pump at all.


Aha, during my injury time I've actually finally managed to get pumping down! Took a long time for me to click though didn't it? :tongue:

I now think of it as a Jacknife with the first kick chambered...whether or not this is how it's supposed to be thought of I don't know, but it works for me!

But yeah to me, c720s look much better when pumped..much cleaner. That's why mine were bugging me for so long. Double pump on a c720 wouldn't actually work though, like Sessh said, it would leave with your right leg upwards [spinning to the left], so c900. :eh:

[eddy wang]

In the C7 [or any cheat trick], the first time you drive your knee upwards is apart of the "cheat setup"...it's not a "pump". It's a "pump" once you've switched your legs...

I see.
hmmm, maybe this can help me on quick swiching hips during the jacknife.

[Noobtricks]

So this would be no pump? :ouch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-6vVxIYxxI

[Augenatic]

Looks like a not-pumped one to me. You pump it a little bit though ^__^

[Noobtricks]

I can pump now but still this vid was pretty awesome hahahaha

[Bubba]

i think of my cheat7 in three parts...

1. lift my left knee up...
2. lift my right knee up and across...
3. chamber my left knee and kick...

one two three.... thats what goes on in my head during a cheat 7...

i count lifting your knee up as ONE pump.... wait...

ZOMG TWO PUMPS!?!?!

according to me... yes...

comeon you guys... we all do our cheat 7s pretty much the same (if you do it different your ch7 sucks) its just the terms we use to describe our cheat7s are different....

it doesnt matter.

[Shaolin.dk]

Its hilarious how some people think that the fact that theyre pumping/doublepumping or whatever, is more important than the actual kick haha, Just get around once and kick, theres nothing more to it!:good:

[Augenatic]

Its hilarious how some people think that the fact that theyre pumping/doublepumping or whatever, is more important than the actual kick haha, Just get around once and kick, theres nothing more to it!:good:

Yeah haha.

[eddy wang]

i think of my cheat7 in three parts...


comeon you guys... we all do our cheat 7s pretty much the same (if you do it different your ch7 sucks)

hahahahahaha:tongue: Ditto
Its hilarious how some people think that the fact that theyre pumping/doublepumping or whatever, is more important than the actual kick haha, Just get around once and kick, theres nothing more to it!:good:

i woner who come up with this double pumping shit stuff haha.

[Jon P]

what an awesome thread!!!!

[TKD_Andy]

i wonder who come up with this double pumping shit stuff haha.

noobs who were too concerned with filling up their trick level signatures and reading their 'tricktionaries' to think about throwing a REAL kick.

[eddy wang]

noobs who were too concerned with filling up their trick level signatures and reading their 'tricktionaries' to think about throwing a REAL kick.
:wicked:

[Swartz]

Hahaha...he is right though. It's impossible to "double pump" a C7. However, it is possible to "double pump" a C9 [Kash Chan, Steve Miller].I didn't care if he was "right" or not, I was simply pointing out that some people take this stuff too seriously. Certain ideas and guidelines in tricking is good to avoid confusion but too much is the biggest weakness in the community. It's the start of most arguments and elitest attitudes thanks to the damn label.

[Tony Nguyen]

nope there is such thing as double pump, i done cheat 9 with triple pump sometimes for fun. a pump is a movement that is used to gain momentum within a trick, this term mainly portrays in the cheat tricks but can also be used in pop tricks like say a 900 off two legs but is executed in the fasion of a tornado kick which means one pumps leg with the other leg before the round kick comes out.

and they are not pointless, if people think tricksters with style standout and are individuals amongst the tricking world its because they execute things in their own way and do so well.

[Tony Nguyen]

Hahaha...he is right though. It's impossible to "double pump" a C7. However, it is possible to "double pump" a C9 [Kash Chan, Steve Miller].



In the C7 [or any cheat trick], the first time you drive your knee upwards is a part of the "cheat setup"...it's not a "pump". It's a "pump" once you've switched your legs...
i agree with all of wut u say accept some parts papito. the word pump deals with gainin momentum. in the first pump of c7 i gain momentum and ready to spin. and if i also use my following leg to pump(move leg towards that direction with knee out but no kick) i am also pumpin, it also helps gain momentum even tho it is not commonly used or is not super affective, unless one wants to standout of the crowd using them. or gets bored durin trainin etc

[Tony Nguyen]

i think of my cheat7 in three parts...

1. lift my left knee up...
2. lift my right knee up and across...
3. chamber my left knee and kick...

one two three.... thats what goes on in my head during a cheat 7...

i count lifting your knee up as ONE pump.... wait...

ZOMG TWO PUMPS!?!?!

according to me... yes...

comeon you guys... we all do our cheat 7s pretty much the same (if you do it different your ch7 sucks) its just the terms we use to describe our cheat7s are different....

it doesnt matter.

;) bubba is tight

[Tony Nguyen]

So this would be no pump? :ouch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-6vVxIYxxI

nah but none pumped kick tricks are possible its like doin c7 without bringin knee up at all until u do kick. would look kool ill experiment with them or some shit

[Tony Nguyen]

dont hate, understand.

[TKD_Andy]

i think of my cheat7 in three parts...

1. lift my left knee up...
2. lift my right knee up and across...
3. chamber my left knee and kick...

one two three.... thats what goes on in my head during a cheat 7...

i count lifting your knee up as ONE pump.... wait...

ZOMG TWO PUMPS!?!?!



thats one COMPLETE pump. The pump being a full cycle of the leg going down then back up again :good:

[Bertie]

Hahaha...he is right though. It's impossible to "double pump" a C7. However, it is possible to "double pump" a C9 [Kash Chan, Steve Miller].



In the C7 [or any cheat trick], the first time you drive your knee upwards is a part of the "cheat setup"...it's not a "pump". It's a "pump" once you've switched your legs...



Thanks Sess! You always clear everything up and make it look simple again :smile:

[tricker_d]

Dammit I still have no clue what a pump is!

[J-kob]

Dammit I still have no clue what a pump is!

lol :tongue:

[biyak]

its possible to dbl pump a c10 :}

[jan]

From my experience, single-pumping one is friggin impossible. I pump my 540hooks naturally, and thus I'm f00ked when I try cheat1080:(

[Skilzat85X]

:: SEMANTICS ::

[Dave]

Everyone just needs to define what they mean by pump. That is where the true differences lie. Different people are using the word to mean different things hence a thrall of arguments and nonsense.

[Swartz]

Times like these make me happy that I don't give a crap about everything technical term for executing a move and just do the damn thing because it's cool and fun.

Obviously knowing the technique to a move is important but most of this thread is not an argument about actual technique, just what term people want to throw in it.

Failure.

[TKD_Andy]

Times like these make me happy that I don't give a crap about everything technical term for executing a move and just do the damn thing because it's cool and fun.

Obviously knowing the technique to a move is important but most of this thread is not an argument about actual technique, just what term people want to throw in it.

Failure.

its times like these you should realise that you've made four or five posts in this thread that nobody gives a shit about.

if you dont give a crap then why have you tried to repeatedly post the same message.

[Swartz]

I think I'm going to cry now.

[TKD_Andy]

im so sorry matt.

*passes kleenex*

[Swartz]

Hold me.

[TKD_Andy]

thats what jamesters is there for, not me.

[Swartz]

I want you BAD Andy.

[Vincez]

thank you for making this thread
you actually opened up my eyes about the pumping thing i was struggling with it
and im not being sarcastic lol

[[RozoN]]

I don't even think that the term "double pump" was around, before Scalco mentioning it in his tutorial. Although it could originate in "Tips for Tricks" section before that :eh:. People just used term "pump" for the whole motion...

Swartz is right though...such non important thing as "pump" shouldn't really matter much. Whatever works for your c720 kick is fine...if you like it without pump them good, if you don't, then observe how people do it!

Edit: Although the thread is good for informative reasons :) :good:

[eddy wang]

I think I'm going to cry now.
i'm sure you will

[Tamonten]

This thread has both enlightened and annoyed me.

I never realised this method was the 'proper' way to pump and may explain why my c7s are shit. I see can how that driving force of switching leg positioning can pave the way for an effective kick- important in a kick based move, of course- and how it helps in rotation.

On the other hand, this thread is just a stupid argument about the definition of a very felxible word. I always knew the pump to be a chambered leg giving momentum in any trick (Cheat720, hyperhook, 540 etc) that may or may not be turned into a kick later in the move. Evidentaly I seem to be wrong, but why should I care?

Tricking isn't commercial, it isn't official and it sure as hell doesn't have any detail to it. We recognise a trick, its name and what is required of it (a distinct kick, inverted body positioning etc) but we shouldn't bother with all the terminology to go about doing the trick. Yeah we need hypers and gyros and whatnot because they are WHAT IS THE TRICK, while pumps and chambering etc are METHODS OF EXECUTING trick which is silly considering that tricking is a very un-regimental (did I make that word up?) sport.

Anyone recognises a 540 when they see it, whether the technique may not be agreeable in the 540 is questionable, but so long as it's landed then it doesn't matter. If it needs to be cleaned up or improved then the technique has to be changed. So stop making rules!

:ogre:

[tricker_d]

I think I'm going to cry now.

I will too if someone doesn't tell me what the fuck pumping is.

[Swartz]

It's just the whole motion of bringing up your leg bent then letting it straighten again (alternating with the other leg) before actually executing the kick. That's all.

[J-kob]

I will too if someone doesn't tell me what the fuck pumping is.

hahahahahha :tongue: (again) -> I like you :smile:

[tricker_d]

It's just the whole motion of bringing up your leg bent then letting it straighten again (alternating with the other leg) before actually executing the kick. That's all.

Ohhhh like a double jump in video games?! A bball player I knew did that to give him more upward momentum when doing lay ups.

[tkdist]

You really shouldn't give a shit about something so trivial. It's just tricking.

Agreed.

[Dave]

Just tricking? JUST TRICKING!?!?!?!?


:agony:

















:tongue:

[Swartz]

My tolerance for the term "tricking" decreases daily. Man it's gay max.

[Tony Nguyen]

Times like these make me happy that I don't give a crap about everything technical term for executing a move and just do the damn thing because it's cool and fun.

Obviously knowing the technique to a move is important but most of this thread is not an argument about actual technique, just what term people want to throw in it.

Failure.

thinkin bout every little technique in each trick helps perfect the move, and makes it easier to do good, cleaner, faster stronger etc.

[Swartz]

thinkin bout every little technique in each trick helps perfect the move, and makes it easier to do good, cleaner, faster stronger etc.

I agree Tony but that wasn't my point.

[mogwai]

yes it does.

[Tony Nguyen]

yeah and i dont care about your point anymore

[Swartz]

Then don't bother arguing with me.

[TKD_Andy]

You really shouldn't give a shit about something so trivial. It's just tricking.

this is why you havent really improved, whereas people like tony who pay attention to all the details have surpassed you by a clear mile.

this isnt an opinion, its a fact.

[Swartz]

this is why you havent really improved, whereas people like tony who pay attention to all the details have surpassed you by a clear mile.

this isnt an opinion, its a fact.

1) I already said I agreed with his point but he misinterpreted mine, just as you have now since you're supporting him. I've already explained myself enough, how dense can you be?

2) Get your head out of your ass and realize that I haven't given a real shit about tricking over the last 2 years. It's not my whole life anymore and I'm focusing elsewhere for the time being. You're trying to cut me down on something I'm not even working on right now. Who's being the prick here?


You love making up insults out of nothing Andy, anything to make you feel like you're always right. Wake the fuck up.

[tricker_d]

this is why you havent really improved, whereas people like tony who pay attention to all the details have surpassed you by a clear mile.

this isnt an opinion, its a fact.

I think you should be careful. Swartz might make another bruce lee is gay thread.

[Rudy]

540 hook with a pump:

lifting the kicking leg up, taking off. Then PUMPING the leg down and bringing the other leg up at the same time. To complete the pump, you then bring the kicking leg back up and the non-kicking leg back down.



the bolded part is where the second pump comes into play...

[TKD_Andy]

the bolded part is where the second pump comes into play...

thats just the 2nd half of one pump.

Its like if you Pump up a bike tyre (with a foot pump) you press down, then release the pressure and it rises back up. That is one complete pump.

its just one dynamic motion :good:

[Tamonten]

Ugh, I'm unsubscribing from this thread now >_>

[Scalco]

Whenever I mention doing a double pump I describe the double pump in good detail, so that people don't think that it's lifting your leg up to your chest. I always considered a pump as like kneeing across but at the same time you're not lifting the knee, just swinging it across to help you rotate.

[Tony Nguyen]

1) I already said I agreed with his point but he misinterpreted mine, just as you have now since you're supporting him. I've already explained myself enough, how dense can you be?

2) Get your head out of your ass and realize that I haven't given a real shit about tricking over the last 2 years. It's not my whole life anymore and I'm focusing elsewhere for the time being. You're trying to cut me down on something I'm not even working on right now. Who's being the prick here?


You love making up insults out of nothing Andy, anything to make you feel like you're always right. Wake the fuck up.

sounds like he is tryin to help and u and make u realize somethign to me man? you seem to be one of those persons to take things negatively. and im not arguin that was a single post describing how i feel. and we all have things in out lives dont act like trickin is wut we think or do 247. also if u dont care bout trickin n e more why are u on this forum, is this your form of social life? just a question. stop crying please. i always showed u respect so dont disrespect me unless u would act the same way in person and were right in front of me.

[Tony Nguyen]

Whenever I mention doing a double pump I describe the double pump in good detail, so that people don't think that it's lifting your leg up to your chest. I always considered a pump as like kneeing across but at the same time you're not lifting the knee, just swinging it across to help you rotate.

yeah man def one of the better ways to look at it if u ask me

[Swartz]

sounds like he is tryin to help and u and make u realize somethign to me man? you seem to be one of those persons to take things negatively. and im not arguin that was a single post describing how i feel. and we all have things in out lives dont act like trickin is wut we think or do 247. also if u dont care bout trickin n e more why are u on this forum, is this your form of social life? just a question. stop crying please. i always showed u respect so dont disrespect me unless u would act the same way in person and were right in front of me.

Andy is only trying to help himself look good.

My view on life is not about being negative. I'm countering an attack on me, and just because it's the internet doesn't mean I'm any less of a person for responding back. If you consider this negative on my part then you and Andy are just as guilty when you respond to me.

In case you didn't notice, TT is not just about tricking anymore. It's the foundation of the site but it's grown past that. Why else do we have subforums for martial arts, training, stretching, nutrition and general discussion? Are you saying people that don't trick shouldn't visit or be regulars on the site? I find plenty of entertainment and useful info here just like a lot of other places, even if it isn't trick-related.

Also, just because tricking isn't big for me right now doesn't mean I don't have any interest in it. I'm simply taking time off right now because I have other goals to focus on.

This place is not my social life either. Unless I'm around people in person I don't consider it that social to begin with.

Speaking of "just a question" is there a good reason you like to type poorly? It reflects on you, whether or not you do good academically in real life. If you want to show respect to other people here maybe you could make your posts a little easier to read and have actual intelligence reflect in your posts. I said this in another thread but I'll say it again. You didn't have such poor typing from what I remember. Usually people mature and they get better but you're just lowering your level and if your excuse is that it's your "style" then that's just lame.

[Tony Nguyen]

i dont like reading essays online ttyl

i type pourly cuz i type fast and i have a life

[Swartz]

i dont like reading essays online ttyl

i type pourly cuz i type fast and i have a life

That's pathetic Tony. If you consider that post "long" I'd love to see you read a real essay. If you can't even respond then you have no business arguing with me.

Also, typing poorly has nothing to do with typing fast. How stupid do you have to act? Yeah you have a life alright. Stop acting like a kid. This may be online and not a big deal but don't think you're actually any smarter than me by making up these bullshit excuses.

[Tony Nguyen]

i got three things to say

1. if u talk this way to me u better be ready to fight me

2. i am a junior in college, with scholarship and a high ass gpa.

3. stop crying


edit: whos the one arguin like a lil kid here. dont make me make a thread with a pole on it. =)

[Swartz]

i got three things to say

1. if u talk this way to me u better be ready to fight me

2. i am a junior in college, with scholarship and high ass gpa.

3. stop crying

So do I.

1. I'm glad to know kicking everyone's ass is your way of dealing with a conflict Tony. You're such a great example. Real mature.

2. Your gpa has nothing to do with how mature you act, so stop using that as your defense.

3. Nobody is crying here except the people whining about the whole "double pump" crap earlier haha. I came into this thread telling people to stop crying/giving a shit.

[Skilzat85X]

I have a life but I can type properly. Lol.

[Tony Nguyen]

u done arguin? because i think u love feeling that u are right.

1. i hold the respect to fight who ever the fuck i want

2. i act how ever the fuck i want cuz its my life

3. your heart is crying because you are being untrue to it.

[Swartz]

I have no respect for you as a person online Tony. I'm hoping you're much better than this in person. We'll probably never meet anyone but nonetheless I'd say we should settle for not truly knowing shit about each other. I'm done.

[Tony Nguyen]

i type how i want to type, as i just said its my life. wut do u want me to do post an essay up or something. shit people open your eyes and get a life.

edit: (for the celebrities who think life revolves around them)

I am an individual who chooses not to type properly because the way I type reflects on how I feel about what I am saying or where I am saying something. Since its a simple forum why should I type grammatically correct. I feel that I don't need to do so due to the following reasons. The first reason is because its more of how I talk. The other is because Its faster.

Check your ingredients kids, before you get ahead of yourselves.

[Tony Nguyen]

I have no respect for you as a person online Tony. I'm hoping you're much better than this in person. We'll probably never meet anyone but nonetheless I'd say we should settle for not truly knowing shit about each other. I'm done.

we will probably never meet anyone? wow u must be actin immature since u cant type properly.

[Swartz]

And here I said I was done, haha.
i type how i want to type, as i just said its my life. wut do u want me to do post an essay up or something. shit people open your eyes and get a life.

edit: (for the celebrities who think life revolves around them)

I am an individual who chooses not to type properly because the way I type reflects on how I feel about what I am saying or where I am saying something. Since its a simple forum why should I type grammatically correct. I feel that I don't need to do so due to the following reasons. The first reason is because its more of how I talk. Two its because Its faster.

Check your ingredients kids, before you get ahead of yourselves.
It's not faster and if that's how you talk in person then you sound like some uneducated tough-actin' gangsta. Good job.

we will probably never meet anyone? wow u must be actin immature since u cant type properly.
I can't believe you actually attacked me over one typo haha. Your attack didn't make a shit worth of sense anyway. So desperate.

[Skilzat85X]

Tony you are acting immature. Seriously.

But nobody cares. Not you, not me! It's just a fact.

[Tony Nguyen]

wow you shut me up. let me stop typing in this thread.

[jan]

The last couple of pages made both Kris and myself laugh. Good job!