c720 wtf...

[Augenatic]

Hello there..
I'm making this topic because of my cheat 720. I lost it haha. It looked good in december, and thursday morning last week I felt like I threw a massive one, the kick was really good and high, it just felt like the best one I've ever done. Anyway, later that day, I went to Taekwondo. After the training, I tried to trick a little bit, and did some c720's, I took off too early and only landed one, and the kick just looked bad. I just blamed it on the training before. I tried them again a few days ago, and they looked horrible! That time, I blamed it on the shoes and the wet grass.. Earlier today, I did some outside on concrete, in really light shoes. I could pop 720 and other tricks almost as good as usual, but I just kept crashing my c720! So now I know that I've just lost my c720 aaah :agony: ! That's why I'm asking for tips here - What am I doing wrong?
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The first c720 is from early december, the 2'nd and the 3'rd are from mid-late december, 4'th and 5'th are from thursday after the TKD session, and the last two are from a session on wet grass and concrete some days ago.. Please help me haha, I want my c720 back :'(.

[Skilzat85X]

I believe there are a couple possible issues, all of which you're going to want to try out.

First, you could be wrapping too early. Actually, this is going to be the same problem for both cases I'm going to talk about, but there are two manifestations of this problem.
One, you can simply be wrapping and turning around too early before you leave the ground significantly.
Or, you could be wrapping as you do your flatspin, quite a possible problem. This means, when you're taking off and you're turning over, you're also trying to wrap into the spin. Do not do this. Make sure that you're takeoff spin and your wrapping spin are two completely separate yet complimenting motions. The takeoff spin (flatspin, the spin you do when you're turning while jumping) should flow into the spin when you spin around and kick, but they should not be done as one motion, under any circumstances.
As a supplementary note, make sure whenever you takeoff (after you dig for the cheat step), you turn your upper body and such as far as you can as you jump. You want to get much flatspin going. And then once you're in the air and you've pumped, give a quick committed hard jab, spiral, or wrap with the arms to turn you over.

[Shaolin.dk]

Your problem is that you dont look forward as you go up at first, look at the clip, just when u leave the ground you start to look over your shoulder, if you try and look forward, you can control the spin much easier, and therefore the kick is easier to throw out nicely. Look at my tutorial and try to apply some of my tips:smile:

[Augenatic]

Thanks Skilz, I'll try to change my setup/takeoff as you said then.
And Shaolin, haha I've tried it so many times, it just doesen't work for me :tongue: .
EDIT: Hm, should I just dump the c720 I'm doing now and start doing your type of c720? Just drill it until I can do it good. 'Cause a controlled spin is just what I'm looking for haha.

[broertjetim]

shaolin is right
you need to spot when you throw your leg up
you still need to spot when you pump your other leg in
once you pumped your leg to the side you may look over the shoulder and spot the target again to chamber and kick out.

a good tip is try moving a lil to the side when you do this kick ( in your case left )
it's easier to control

still nice kick man
just spot till you pumped the other leg in and then kick ;)

you"ll be fine

[Skilzat85X]

Spotting isn't the solution.

I had a problem like this a while back, and I was still spotting.

Misdiagnosis.

[Augenatic]

Hm so basically, stall it alot, spot the target, start pumping, look over, elbow strike ^_^, wrap, boom kick, right? Ok, got it :smile:
And thanks by the way haha, I hope so too ^__^
Edit: Dang hahaa
I'll just skip taekwondo class tomorrow and experiment with it then.

[broertjetim]

Spotting isn't the solution.

I had a problem like this a while back, and I was still spotting.

Misdiagnosis.

idd spotting is not the solution for his problem but you still need to if you want it to be controlled to combo

let me watch your vid again

[Augenatic]

I could control it in combos before I fucked it all up a week ago.

[Skilzat85X]

idd spotting is not the solution for his problem but you still need to if you want it to be controlled to combo

let me watch your vid again
Yea you're right. Spotting does help in many scenarios, but in this case won't fix the problem.
Of course by spotting I mean spotting during the setup, you must allllways spot during the kick.

[broertjetim]

i watched the video again and you may be kicking to early
a golden tip nick vail gave me is to chamber the kicking leg and once your non kicking leg hits the floor extend the chambered leg
that way you can land controlled....

no you seem to lose your balance coz your kick is out in mid air which looks really cool but is a bitch to land controlled

try as i said

Chamber leg
once the non kick leg hits floor, extend

[Shaolin.dk]

Thanks Skilz, I'll try to change my setup/takeoff as you said then.
And Shaolin, haha I've tried it so many times, it just doesen't work for me :tongue: .
EDIT: Hm, should I just dump the c720 I'm doing now and start doing your type of c720? Just drill it until I can do it good. 'Cause a controlled spin is just what I'm looking for haha.

I think you should wait with the cheat 7 and get a solid 540 first, your cheat 7 arent consistant because your 540 is lacking. (I havnt seen your 540, but I assume it needs work since you said that to me:wink:)

[Augenatic]

Chamber leg
once the non kick leg hits floor, extend

Okay, I'll write that down and try it tomorrow :good: thanks!
And Shaolin haha, you're right, my 540 needs a lot of work. But I'm not too comfortable practising it, because of an old injury.. But yes, I'll drill it. And by the way, I had it 100% consistent until I screwed it up haha. It's all my fault :ouch::wicked:

[Skilzat85X]

To be honest Cheat720 has nothing to do with 540 other than the setup, then takeoff...and even those aren't exactly the same. The only real similarity is the cheat setup. Plenty of people can do decent or good 540s but weak Cheat720s.

Chamber leg
once the non kick leg hits floor, extend
The kick must reach extension before the leg touches the ground, otherwise it's cheap and doesn't count, lol...

[Shaolin.dk]

To be honest Cheat720 has nothing to do with 540 other than the setup, then takeoff...and even those aren't exactly the same. The only real similarity is the cheat setup. Plenty of people can do decent or good 540s but weak Cheat720s.

The kick must reach extension before the leg touches the ground, otherwise it's cheap and doesn't count, lol...

Let me put it this way, when working with jump kicks it would be common sense to learn to jump up, kick and then land, instead of jump up, spin and then kick and land.
Foundation ftw.

[Skilzat85X]

Let me put it this way, when working with jump kicks it would be common sense to learn to jump up, kick and then land, instead of jump up, spin and then kick and land.
Foundation ftw.
Well then a Tornado should suffice.

Even by your principle, you should only need to be able to throw a sub-par 540. Having a "good" 540 won't mean that you can Cheat 720. In this case, it doesn't matter if the 540 is "lacking", because you're still jumping kicking and landing.

That doesn't matter because the sequence of events between jumping and kicking and landing is totally different than between jumping and spinning and kicking and landing ahaha.

His 540 isn't the problem, in this case especially.

[CusTuM]

Just pause to think about all the details in the techniques that go into every move and when you lose them it won't be so tough getting them back...

*muscle memory is your friend and enemy =(

[Augenatic]

His 540 isn't the problem, in this case especially.

I'm glad haha. And yeah, it's this weird thing I just got myself into, haha, can't stop doing it.