Shin Conditioning Question

[Tengu]

So, recently I heard that shin conditioning can....

- Increase height & Lengths of Jumps

- Decrease chance of ankle injuries

- Softer Landings

Are these assumptions true? Because recently, I tried one "exercise" less then 24 hours later, my heals are killing me. Can barely put pressure on me. So I wanted to clarify that "Shin" conditioning is actually worthwhile to do.

So, any answers? :juji:

[Rahf]

Shin conditioning makes your shins less prone to injury, I doubt they will make you feel a significant difference in vertical height.

[Skilzat85X]

So, recently I heard that shin conditioning can....

- Increase height & Lengths of Jumps

- Decrease chance of ankle injuries

- Softer Landings

Are these assumptions true? Because recently, I tried one "exercise" less then 24 hours later, my heals are killing me. Can barely put pressure on me. So I wanted to clarify that "Shin" conditioning is actually worthwhile to do.

So, any answers? :juji:
Did you hear this from Dogen's tutorial, by chance?

Height and length of jumps is technique, and leg power. The power generated in a jump by your shins is basically negligible, if any at all. In fact, the shin only contracts the toes upwards, so I don't think it'll do crap.

Decreased chance of ankle injuries, sorta. Well, more like just shin injuries. You need to condition your ankles specifically, to decrease chance of ankle injuries.

Softer landings is technique.

[Tengu]

Thanks for the advice, and I'm not sure whos tutorial it was, sorry to inform you.

Anyways, are there any other techniques I could use that might help me condition my legs ect, so I can achieve better jumps? (if there is anything that can do so)

Thanks for the timely replies, I appreciate it.

[Honken]

Squats, deadlifts. Generally anything that mimics jumping, or just jumping.

[NightHunter]

Technically, shin conditioning is like what muay thai practitioners do. Shin conditioning is made up of body hardening exercises for the shins. I hear that traditionally they would kick banana trees.

What you're talking about is calf conditioning, and the answer to that question has been given.

[Honken]

He means training your tibialis muscle, not deading nerves. Banana trees are soft, not that big a deal.

[Tengu]

... Maybe I should just do jump rope. And wait till its spring to trick... The snow isent nice here.

[compleks]

The tibialis anterior has nothing to do with jumping, so that doesn't make any sense.

[twist]

If your new to tricking, and you dont really have a very high vertical already from some other sport, id say specifically training your jump is unnecessary. If you just go out and practice tricks then 1) that will help you with your jump and 2) youll find out how to use your momentum to get off the ground, which is more important that a huge vertical anyway.

Not saying that getting in the gym and lifting is a bad idea at all, I just think that doing something like air alert while tricking at the same time is unnecessary.

[compleks]

Well, air alert is rubbish anyway.

But yeah, just trick more and jump alot.

[NightHunter]

He means training your tibialis muscle, not deading nerves. Banana trees are soft, not that big a deal.

No he doesn't. And even if that were so, I am still right.

[Tengu]

If your new to tricking, and you dont really have a very high vertical already from some other sport, id say specifically training your jump is unnecessary. If you just go out and practice tricks then 1) that will help you with your jump and 2) youll find out how to use your momentum to get off the ground, which is more important that a huge vertical anyway.

Not saying that getting in the gym and lifting is a bad idea at all, I just think that doing something like air alert while tricking at the same time is unnecessary.

Ive been around tricking for years, at least 3. But every year I tell myself That this is the year that I'll start. Of course I know how to do Front handsprings and rolls. BUT thats all I can do. I just cant get my self to flip, or any of that other stuff.

But, I find myself more fluent in Parkour. I just seem to be able to jump off 12 set stairs easier. [No lie] But I would just rather be doing Free Running / Tricking, and this is why I asked this question.

To the rest of you guys out there mentioning weight lifting, I all ready do 100 push ups every other day, which Im guessing is probably not enough to get some respect around here, But I feel its working in its own ways.

[NightHunter]

To the rest of you guys out there mentioning weight lifting, I all ready do 100 push ups every other day, which Im guessing is probably not enough to get some respect around here, But I feel its working in its own ways.

Not to improve your tricking....

[breykdown]

the reason for strengthening your shins is to avoid a muscle imbalance and cause really bad shin pains. i dont know how many of you have ever gotten shin splints, but they hurt like hell, and are caused by having a strong calf and weak shins.

[Skilzat85X]

the reason for strengthening your shins is to avoid a muscle imbalance and cause really bad shin pains. i dont know how many of you have ever gotten shin splints, but they hurt like hell, and are caused by having a strong calf and weak shins.
Not to mention stress fractures.

I don't think they have much to do with an imbalance, but rather the fact that when your shins get fatigued, the muscle absorbs less impact, and the bone absorbs more. :agony:

I endorse shin conditioning.

[breykdown]

from wikipediat is also commonly believed that a contributing cause of shin muscle pain in some cases is the relative weakness of the muscles on the anterior of the lower leg compared to those in the calf. In this case, exercises that preferentially strengthen the anterior muscles may help alleviate or avoid shin splints. The shin pain is attributed to a forced extension of the muscle, in this case by the opposing calf muscles which "overpower" the shin.

ive done some research on it, cause i used to get real bad shin splints whenever i tricked, and the pain would not go away, even when i was just walking around

[Tengu]

Not to improve your tricking....

Yes, just building upper body strength.

[Papa Lazarou]

Not that either I'm afraid. It probably helps the structural strength of the muscles, but won't help you lift heavier weight very much. Above about 20 or so reps, you're working on muscular endurance, not strength. You'd be better off sticking to lower rep ranges, and increasing the difficulty of the exercise. You could move on to more difficult variations of pushups for instance (clapping, one arm, whatever).

Training a single exercise in a high rep range has other problems too (nothing irreversible, don't worry). It can affect the flexibility of the muscles, and lead to imbalance across the joints. Adding chin ups would balance it out I guess. High reps of pushups probably have few uses really. Then again, I've read that high rep resistance training is a good way to prepare for strength training, since the increased structural strength of the muscles reduces recovery time or something.

Mmm... tangents....

[anfeyd]

the reason for strengthening your shins is to avoid a muscle imbalance and cause really bad shin pains. i dont know how many of you have ever gotten shin splints, but they hurt like hell, and are caused by having a strong calf and weak shins.

The origin of shin splint's are still unknown although there are some theories.

[Tengu]

Not that either I'm afraid. It probably helps the structural strength of the muscles, but won't help you lift heavier weight very much. Above about 20 or so reps, you're working on muscular endurance, not strength. You'd be better off sticking to lower rep ranges, and increasing the difficulty of the exercise. You could move on to more difficult variations of pushups for instance (clapping, one arm, whatever).

Training a single exercise in a high rep range has other problems too (nothing irreversible, don't worry). It can affect the flexibility of the muscles, and lead to imbalance across the joints. Adding chin ups would balance it out I guess. High reps of pushups probably have few uses really. Then again, I've read that high rep resistance training is a good way to prepare for strength training, since the increased structural strength of the muscles reduces recovery time or something.

Mmm... tangents....


I have trouble with one handed push ups, either if its the balance, or that my muscles are to weak. I can easily do 1 handed chin ups, maybe its balance. What do you think?

[Papa Lazarou]

You can do one armed chin ups?! Cool.

There's other variations of pushups you can do as well.
-Raising one leg while you do them will put more weight on your arms for instance.
-Clapping pushups (use your arms to "jump" your torso off the floor and clap before you drop again).
-Handstand pushups (with a wall for balance if you need it)

But really, I'm not the person to ask for training programs. I have next to no experience with resistance training.

[Final Prophecy]

Want to condition your shins? Get an old school wooden pencil and just rub it very FIRMLY against your shins up and down in class.

[Tengu]

You can do one armed chin ups?! Cool.

There's other variations of pushups you can do as well.
-Raising one leg while you do them will put more weight on your arms for instance.
-Clapping pushups (use your arms to "jump" your torso off the floor and clap before you drop again).
-Handstand pushups (with a wall for balance if you need it)

But really, I'm not the person to ask for training programs. I have next to no experience with resistance training.

Ive all ways been interested in doing handstand push ups, never tried though, I'll have to do that today.