540 help (torque issues?) +vid

[generalbbb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ePhh7Wzx0

i think if i do it enough times ill get it eventually, but it feels like theres something critically wrong in my technique.

thanks in advance

[Dave]

Don't move forward in the set up. Make it horizontal movement only.


Fix your set up and it should help a lot.

[Papa Lazarou]

Arms look a little floppy. Maybe they could have a wider arc, and a bit more umph upward at the end. You sort of pull your left arm into your body before the turn and jump - you might try keeping it wider until you are in the air.

You seem to be using the same setup as Juji. I use this too since I prefer the look of going forwards rather than sideways. Maybe the sideways version is easier to land the move from though.

[generalbbb]

alright i acknowledge the worthlessness of my arms while performing this move, although i dont see how taking a step forward in the process would be a problem. i think i recall juji doing so in his tutorial. maybe ill take another look.

thanks again!

[AsoBit]

- Not jumping up
- Arms are flailing, and not helping you go up or torque
- Your setup is causing you to travel forward instead of up
- Non kicking leg is not tucked
- Not spotting

There are tons of 540 tutorials out there. Watch them, observe the technique very closely. Apply what you see to your own 540, even if it's one thing at a time, then put it all together.

[generalbbb]

wow your right theres a crapload of things im overlooking. thanks a lot aso.

[GSimp]

First step do not train in your room. There is not enough space. You will feel more comfortable "expanding" your technique and exploding by going outside and not worrying about hitting things.

[Ronnie]

use your arms to get some more height...
and try chambering your kicking leg before the kick.
and as Dave said, don't move forward.
and please do it outside the house.( on grass )

[Sudrunk Monkey]

try with a kick prior. Your 540 will get more power definately if you add a kick before it, like a crescent kick or summit.

Plus I'd keep drilling tornado's, best as a warmup, as you practice the 540.

Keep kicking!

[TKD_Andy]

but it feels like theres something critically wrong in my technique.



there is, you're making the mistake that pretty much all noobs make on their first attempts.

you're kicking across, but you're not moving your upper body, which means that as you come to land your torso will rip across to keep up with your lower body, making it alot harder to control the landing.

some other pointers:

- You're not kicking nearly hard enough
- your setup is severly limiting your speed.
- your setup is severely limiting the amount of force you can put into it.
- your arms are flailing, slowing you down.
- you're doing it indoors! go outside!
- Drill the holy hell out of your tornados, from these 540s they dont look like they'd be quite good enough for 540s.

keep practising.

[generalbbb]

there is, you're making the mistake that pretty much all noobs make on their first attempts.

you're kicking across, but you're not moving your upper body, which means that as you come to land your torso will rip across to keep up with your lower body, making it alot harder to control the landing.

some other pointers:

- You're not kicking nearly hard enough
- your setup is severly limiting your speed.
- your setup is severely limiting the amount of force you can put into it.
- your arms are flailing, slowing you down.
- you're doing it indoors! go outside!
- Drill the holy hell out of your tornados, from these 540s they dont look like they'd be quite good enough for 540s.

keep practising.

thanks, awesome tips.

[Siphin]

keep turning your shoulders but keep spotting, so once you kick your good to land..

[Skilzat85X]

I'm 100% positive you can't do a very good Tornado kick from your current setup, am i right?

[w00teR]

Should i use tornado kick setup or a 360 setup?

[TKD_Andy]

Should i use tornado kick setup or a 360 setup?

what trick are you doing, a variation on a tornado kick or a variation on a 360?

C'mon man, dont be retarded.

[bobcheese]

nice ichigo avatar ^.^

[musasabi]

tricks in general, but the 540 especially, are really difficult to change drastically when you first get them. tips are one thing, but being cognizant of every movement youre making in a move as complex as the 540 is impossible. hell, the 540 was my second real trick and even now (four years later) im making big gains with simple shit.

now, with that in mind, im going to try to be as detailed as possible because i use the old-school juji setup too. fuck all those progressive people. :wink:

one thing about the 540 (and a lot of tricks) is that the application of power needs to be smooth, as strong as you can possibly make it, and present throughout the entire trick. your setup (imo, the hardest thing about the trick) needs work. think about it like this... once youre in the air, coming back down is easy. =P

that means, like everyone else has been saying, tornadoes. if youre going to use the spin-around takeoff instead of the sidestepping takeoff (its harder to invert, fyi), then work on not taking an actual step forward. if you note, juji makes much more of a pivot on his kicking leg than a step. also he leans into the takeoff. tkd-style 540s (like his) have you leaning back quite a bit during the kick.

also, like everyones been saying, your arms are too loose. note how jujis right arm is so straight his fingers are pointed and his left arm is cocked cleanly inward. this is because the further away your arms are from your body, the more momentum (torque and vert) they'll build when you rip them across and up. i always relate the spinaround takeoff to something of a discus-toss motion. pivot, dig, swing up, kick.

drilling tornadoes until they float (which yours would, i think, if you controlled your arms and pivoted instead of stepped) every time is really what you need in order to do the takeoff comfortably enough to manipulate it in midair.

once you get there, all you need to work on is kicking higher and harder (extension in the kick, then following through with all your power to keep you from just falling out of the air) and wrapping up after you kick. my biggest problem in my 540s (to this day) is that i spot my target forever, so my torso gets ripped around by my lower body (like tkd andy said). i do that because when i learned it, i just threw myself into the air and hoped for the best. it turned out alright, but wrapping up and looking over my shoulder post-kick is a bitch of a habit to learn. =)

anyway, hope this all helps. just remember that you wont remember every tip you get, and thats alright. just strive for consistent improvement, be as aware of the details as you can be, and know the 540 is genuinely difficult to do properly, so it will take time.

good luck!