Aerial.

[Augenatic]

Hi.. As the title kinda' indicates, this topic is about my aerial and I.. Ha, I just can't do it and I'm growing tired of it. I've tried to do it for many months now, and I'm not even coming closer to it. So, I'd really appreciate some tips. I know I have to jump much more haha, but I think that my main problem is, that my legs aren't coming through, and they lock in mid-air. I'm trying to turn my upper body against the direction I'm aerialing to, but that doesen't seem help. I've seen people with cartwheels worse than mine aerialing, so I don't think that these are the problem.
So please tell me, what's wrong :smile:?
Aerial Attempts (http://www.divshare.com/download/3546468-fc0)

[Tony2105]

well for one thing can you put the leg you jump with alot more infront of you like when you go down to jump your chest should sort of touch your knee, thats basicaly wats gona get you height.. so just do that and throw your back legg straight up very strong and that should do it , since your doing a run up it should help with getting you through,.. if you look at jujis tutorial you can see how far he puts his jumping leg

[Shaolin.dk]

Get more run into it, really run the fastest you can and then try it again.
The only thing I can say, do it as you do now but speed everything up. And you can also try the btwist setup and do the aerial (and I dont mean bkick aerials, its still possible to do gymnast aerial from that setup, it sometimes regenerate more momentum than just running)

[bobcheese]

What??? you cant aerial ??? ahh anyway you just try it a few times without hands, by that I mean drill your side into the ground a few times and eventually it'll become easier :)

and JUMP JUMP JUMP JUMPPPPPPPP!

[Papa Lazarou]

Your right arm could be the problem.

Your form actually looks really good. Synchronisation is ok, and you're doing it all in the right directions.

Try this. See how your arm moves in the first one handed cartwheel of the vid? Do that in your aerial - put power into it if you like. This movement gets your shoulders to rotate, which allows your hips to turn and the legs to find the ground again. Get that arm moving behind your head and upwards.

Other than that, you could maybe jump more (didn't leap out at me as an issue though). You could try focussing on keeping the torso up also - just to make sure it's not moving into the ground too much.

It looks pretty good though like I said. It'll be nice when you land it.

[Augenatic]

Tony: Okay man, I'll try putting my leg in front of me :smile:
Frederik: I'll put some speed in to my setup then! :good:. I don't really want to use the butterfly setup for aerials though, but what, I'll try it out :tongue:.
Bobcheese: Yes I'm a noob hahah ^_____^. Once, I tried not to touch the ground and I banged my side into the it haha. Didn't help at all, unfortunately :smile:.
Papa Lazarou: Thanks man! I'll try to put some power behind the arm swing, keep my torso up and jump more :tongue:.

[Vincent_Lee]

Same problem i had, you need to put more commitment into it. Cartwheels loog exellent, so it should'nt be a problem there.

Really throw yourself in to an aerial !

[Ilikesalad]

dude yours look just like mine....we both suck :sad:

[Swartz]

I only skimmed over the posts already made but I agree you should try putting a bigger takeoff into it. Nothing too extreme just a few steps and a hop. Get some more momentum going then worry about doing it from standing once you have that down.

Also, try reaching out a little more with your upper body instead of bringing it down so much. You don't want to travel really far but spot the ground ahead of you where you want to land and focus there, keeping your head and torso as high up as possible. Imagine a platform parallel to the ground and that if you drop your head too low you'll smack it. Go over instead.

[Birch]

In this situation it is better to bail than to put an arm down. That way you dont have that habbit and you can commit to it. Alot of people who put their hands down get it first time when they dont put it down cos it doesnt look like they will make it.

[AjStyles]

kick your first leg high before you jump. and the hands one push forward the other push backwards (like a rediculous star fish).
And keep trying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsrR5LMVnt0

[AjStyles]

Oh forgot to mention, even fatty can aerial (hardly can believe it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ExLxd-1EA

[Swartz]

Hey that's looking pretty good AJ (that's you right).

[searchsoul]

Hey that's looking pretty good AJ (that's you right).

i doubt thats AJ

that chubby guy can aerial and i cant! :(

if chubby guys can do it, so can lean guys(like me)! :juji:

[Augenatic]

dude yours look just like mine....we both suck :sad:

Why thanks alot. Hahaha :wink:.
Swartz - Thanks for the tips dude :tongue:.
Birch - Yeah well, I'll try not putting my arms down at all next time then :smile:
AjStyles - Haha, that dude is an aerial god! He can do like reverse aerialswitches, grandmasterswipe twists and stuff like that.

[Birch]

Haha, that dude is an aerial god! He can do like reverse aerialswitches, grandmasterswipe twists and stuff like that.

What that fat mole?

[Augenatic]

Yep.Check his other youtube videos.

[Swartz]

i doubt thats AJ

that chubby guy can aerial and i cant! :(

if chubby guys can do it, so can lean guys(like me)! :juji:

Well maybe I'm confusing their screenames. We have AJStyles here and aznstylz there, I figured it was the same person.

[Skilzat85X]

Ok, first of all, anyone telling you you need to run into your Aerial is full of it.
All that's doing is replacing technique with momentum. In the end you'll have to spend even more time trying to fix your Aerial after realizing that you can't do it without a huge desperate run.

Anyways, right now if you didn't say "Aerial attempts" I would think that you're only trying to do cartwheels.

Now ok let's look at the Aerial logically for a second. To basically state it as basic as it gets, you jump from one leg onto another. Remember that. Now of course we have to do it in the manner of the cartwheel with no hands, which means blah blah you know.
Now, look at what you're doing. You're bending down reaching for the ground with your entire upper body basically and trying to throw your legs overhead.

Tricking isn't magic, it's all logical movements. So logically speaking: Is reaching down or leaning down towards the ground, as you try to lift your legs up, going to keep your hands from touching the ground? Surely it is not the case!

Now looking at the second facet of logic...before we said this is jumping from one leg onto the other, with that whole cartwheely form. So, we have to jump.
Now, if you were going to do a regular jump like reach for the sky or even jump forwards, what do you do? You retract your legs, bend down, lower your upper body a bit, then jump and extend.
This principle does not change at all in tricking just because we're doing tricks instead of regular jumps. So, instead of reaching for the ground, throwing yourself at the ground, we simply take our vertical jumping principle, and combine it with our little cartwheel aerial setup. This means, bend down, then jump up, and since we're doing an Aerial, do al your aerial motions and form (which looks good in regards to that) as you jump, and then BAM you're doing it!

Of course, you do want to keep your upper body low to the ground. The lower to the ground (if you can jump and do all that right without throwing yourself at the ground), the easier it is for your legs to carry over you. But how do you keep your upper body from not being toooo high, but without throwing it at the ground. Just lower it before you jump. If you dip down and forward (like basically everyone does when they Aerial), and then jump, without lifting your upper body back up erect or whatever, then it will stay down there as you jump, sweet!

Ok sorry for the huge post haha. But I'm trying to convey understanding along with knowledge. Here are the basic pointers in summation of that (though I suggest you read it all anyways):
- Do not lean towards the ground as you jump or go into the move at all, this throws you at the ground, forcing you to use your hands.
- Do not do the move without jumping, as the move is a jump. Bend down, and then jump up, don't jump up then bend down.
- Be cool.

Other than the aforementioned, good form.Just try using that form with the jumping and going up and blah blah all that.

[Siphin]

well put skilzat

[Augenatic]

Thanks for the huge post Skilz! :tongue:
I'm too tired to read it right now though, as it's like 12:40 AM over here haha.
I'll read it tomorrw :good: ^__^
EDIT: Okay, got it! Basically, stay away from the ground, get the dip right and fucken' jump, yes? :tongue: Thanks alot Skilz :smile:

[Augenatic]

Ha, I'm sorry to bump this topic, but I still kinda' need help, even though I don't know if you guys can help me any more, haha. This morning, I tried some aerials again, and I failed horribly. I just can't get myself to jump into it, some weird mental block or something really weird lols. Every time I want to bend that jumping leg and jump the fuck off it, I just seem to do what I always do, a lame kind of dive cartwheel without any jump :-/. Also, when I try to hold my upper body up, I just kinda' jump and fall down on my hands, without any rotational momentum haha. Is there any way to actually get myself to jump? I can jump into it from standing, but I just freeze in the air and fall down lolol. Also yes I hate myself for being this gay haha, but I just really want that aerial! Fuck. Gah.

[bobcheese]

You can do it, lol that's all you need to say to yourself then just fucking do it....

[Augenatic]

Yeah but I can't do it lolz :tongue:

[funaki4]

All you really have to do is commit. I just learned aerials like a month ago and when I was learning them, I always put my hands down and I never landed it. But eventually I just forced myself to keep my arms up and I landed it on my first try.

When you keep your arms up, it's going to be pretty scary. I thought i wasn't going to land it when I kept my arms up cause the floor was like 3 inches from my head. But I landed it so yeah....just keep your arms up and try to swing your back leg harder.

[bobcheese]

Yeah but I can't do it lolz :tongue:

With that attitude u never will be able too...

[indianguy]

you're having the same problem i did. i can say 'did' because i just landed my first aerial 20 minutes ago. i think most of the problem is just confidence; every time i tried to do one, my throat always got this little tight feeling and id always end up using my hands. i got an aerial today for the fist time after doing some cartwheels off a 1.5 ft table onto grass. after those, i tried an aerial off the table, and woooooo i got it. i was so excited afterwards that i just went for it on the ground, and bam! got it. so its mostly about confidence. once you know you can, you can.

[Augenatic]

Hm yeah, you guys are probably right.

[k-slash]

Can you b-kick?

[bobcheese]

Can you b-kick?

I don't like where this is going....

[Papa Lazarou]

Are you working on other moves too?

It's possible that your brain just needs a break from the aerial. Coming back fresh after a week or so might help.

[Swartz]

Can you b-kick?

That is completely irrelevant if he desires to learn a proper aerial at all. I know exactly where you want to go with that but it's never a good idea.

[bobcheese]

That is completely irrelevant if he desires to learn a proper aerial at all. I know exactly where you want to go with that but it's never a good idea.

Exactly.