Titanium knees?

[VietMan04]

Ive seen how to get ankles but how do you strengthen ur knees?

[Rahf]

You strengthen the muscles around them.

[Honken]

Common sense is dying out, atleast on the internets.

[VietMan04]

is knowing how to condition common sense?-_-

[Gusch]

no, you're right. Both are wrong.
The best way to condition your knees is to start hitting hard surfaces with it on a constant basis.
This way they'll get TITANIUM!

[Honken]

Titanium ankles is all about training the surrounding muscles of the ankle. What would the equivelant be for titanium knees?

Seriously, it's not that hard to think once in a while.

[Rahf]

Titanium ankles is all about training the surrounding muscles of the ankle. What would the equivelant be for titanium knees?

Seriously, it's not that hard to think once in a while.

At the same time, mate, it's not that obvious to the uninvited. The question was a good one.

[Gusch]

The transition from "ankle" to "knee" (or rather from "joint" to "joint") shouldn't be that hard to grasp.
There is no other way to strengthen/support any joint in the body than strengthening the surrounding muscles.



It's just that Mr VietMan04 was too lazy to search via google or other methods.
Or he didn't grasp the concept of strengthening ankles at all.

[Syn]

Ive seen how to get ankles but how do you strengthen ur knees?

robocop surgery

[chicanerous]

Wear a knee brace.

[Sam H]

Inject molten titanium into your blood.

[AjStyles]

Kick the wall with your knee, that is the way to get titanium knee.

[Ashtar]

That's be kneeing the wall, kicks are hits with foot.

[AjStyles]

That's be kneeing the wall, kicks are hits with foot.

Okay, you got a point.

[American]

Well, what's the danger with knees? Stability. You don't want them more flexible than they are, that'll just stretch out the tendons. So yes, people are right saying that you need to strengthen the muscles around them. Isolation knee movements are somewhat dangerous for these, like leg extensions, as they can stress the joint. Best thing for knees are going to be deep squats, glute-to-calves. Even if you don't have a gym you can practice doing one-legged squats. Just listen to your body, if your actual knees hurt, you're doing it wrong. I was consistently fucking up squat-form for awhile and my kneecaps felt like they would explode out of my body whenever I'd bend them. That? That's what you don't want.

Also though, in parkour, which I began to get into before I found tricking, you're also expected to build up your joints so they can take harder impacts. This was accomplished by carefully ramping up the heights from which you'd fall (4 ft., 6ft., 10ft., etc.). I'd think that won't be an issue.

[NightHunter]

Well, what's the danger with knees? Stability. You don't want them more flexible than they are, that'll just stretch out the tendons. So yes, people are right saying that you need to strengthen the muscles around them. Isolation knee movements are somewhat dangerous for these, like leg extensions, as they can stress the joint. Best thing for knees are going to be deep squats, glute-to-calves. Even if you don't have a gym you can practice doing one-legged squats. Just listen to your body, if your actual knees hurt, you're doing it wrong. I was consistently fucking up squat-form for awhile and my kneecaps felt like they would explode out of my body whenever I'd bend them. That? That's what you don't want.

Also though, in parkour, which I began to get into before I found tricking, you're also expected to build up your joints so they can take harder impacts. This was accomplished by carefully ramping up the heights from which you'd fall (4 ft., 6ft., 10ft., etc.). I'd think that won't be an issue.

The advice is right, but some of the premises are wrong.

The knee joint can't really be overflexible. It bends two ways, and the limit one way is from a ligament, which means you're breaking something important to go further and the limit in the other direction is your butt.
Also, flexibility is not affected by tendons or ligaments except for creating the end limit of the ROM. Increases in flexibility are made by retraining the body's stretch reflex. You never want to stretch ligaments, tendons, or muscles.

All exercises involving a joint stress the joint. The problem with leg extensions is that it's a standardized machine that not everyone fits in the same and can cause you to move the joint in a less than natural ROM.

Just thought I'd clear this up a bit. The actual advice part is spot on. Just don't forget hamstring exercises as well.

[anfeyd]

What is everyone's opinion of sprinters having minimal knee injuries? This was brought up on P&B and I have been curious about it. The premise is that people lack hamstring/glute strength which affects knee stability. So i'm curious as to whether the sprinting has some weird benefits that cannot be obtained by weight training on knee stability.

Let me first say I have not done any research into sprinting injuries I am just rehashing what i've heard from a previous thread.

This post is kind of Ashtar/Rock_ten esque but i'd like some others opinions on the matter.

[NightHunter]

Well, speaking out my ass, I say it makes sense.

Running is one of the things humans evolved to be able to do. Therefore sprinting will encourage a natural movement pattern and balance between quads, hams and glutes.

Beyond this, sprinters run on tracks which are somewhat springy. It's a hard enough surface to promote the strengthening of the connective tissues and joints involved, but not hard enough to cause stress fractures over time.

[American]

The advice is right, but some of the premises are wrong.

The knee joint can't really be overflexible.

I was short in my answer. You're right, though, looking at what I listed. I think of flexibility in terms of muscles and not joints. I was half-referencing an article I read somewhere in my head and had some gaps. You filled them in.

I read something about posterior chain strength and knee injuries applied to sprinters, too, anfeyd, in some article, maybe t-nation....no....Bodybuilding.com, jesus, that was a long time ago. Anyway, there was nothing particularly special about sprinters, it was just pointing out the benefits of having a strong posterior chain(hamstrings, glutes, lumbar, back) when it comes to injury-prevention and how everyone shouldn't forget those muscles in their workout.

[anfeyd]

Well, speaking out my ass, I say it makes sense.

Running is one of the things humans evolved to be able to do. Therefore sprinting will encourage a natural movement pattern and balance between quads, hams and glutes.

Beyond this, sprinters run on tracks which are somewhat springy. It's a hard enough surface to promote the strengthening of the connective tissues and joints involved, but not hard enough to cause stress fractures over time.

Yea that was the logic out of my ass as well.

[constantine]

y does everyonve get shit on when they ask for advice? isnt the point of a forum is to get help and give advice? and someone said to wear a kneebrace? how does that strengthen your knees?

[Volador]

y does everyonve get shit on when they ask for advice? isnt the point of a forum is to get help and give advice? and someone said to wear a kneebrace? how does that strengthen your knees?

Hmm, i think people usually get good advice here, it's when someone posts something stupid/obvious, very broad questions, or that can be answered with a little research and reading the stickies and posts in this forum. People would also get pissed off if someone posted, how can i do a backflip or that sort of thing in the general tricking threads.

And about the kneebrace, it was a joke :/

[NightHunter]

y does everyonve get shit on when they ask for advice? isnt the point of a forum is to get help and give advice? and someone said to wear a kneebrace? how does that strengthen your knees?

Because you type like this.

[Ashtar]

Well, what's the danger with knees? Stability. You don't want them more flexible than they are, that'll just stretch out the tendons. So yes, people are right saying that you need to strengthen the muscles around them.When you use your muscles, the tendons are stretched too, since they're attached on either end. Some probably emphasize or deemphasize that based on the angle of resistance, though calculating that would take some work or good isntinct at analyzing force. Anyway, increasing flexibility is good, knee flexibility means the ability to bend it.

Isolation knee movements are somewhat dangerous for these, like leg extensions, as they can stress the joint.This conclusion was reached doing a study where they were used as the primary exercise, and were not coupled with the leg curl. Exhausting most of the energy doing a compound like a squat and going heavy on leg curl would be a different environment for a leg extension, I'm thinking it would fix the patellar drift problems they associated with it. Anyway in regards to 'stress the joint', what does that mean? Squats stress the joint by compressing it, after all, especially when you go deep since the tissue behind the knee can lever it open. However, many adapt positively to this stress.

[Ashtar]

Well, speaking out my ass, I say it makes sense.

Running is one of the things humans evolved to be able to do. Therefore sprinting will encourage a natural movement pattern and balance between quads, hams and glutes.While it's definately one (and a top one) it's also important to do other movements we would have had to do (someone made a list, Iknow it included squatting and lunging) to encourage that relation.

Beyond this, sprinters run on tracks which are somewhat springy. It's a hard enough surface to promote the strengthening of the connective tissues and joints involved, but not hard enough to cause stress fractures over time.About stress fractures, stuff far less hard than sprinting can cause them if you're weak. Whereas, even with sprinting, if you were getting enough rest and food to adapt, wouldn't the microfractures just cause bone remodelling until your bones could take it?

[Gusch]

The advice is right, but some of the premises are wrong.

The knee joint can't really be overflexible. It bends two ways, and the limit one way is from a ligament, which means you're breaking something important to go further and the limit in the other direction is your butt.
Also, flexibility is not affected by tendons or ligaments except for creating the end limit of the ROM. Increases in flexibility are made by retraining the body's stretch reflex. You never want to stretch ligaments, tendons, or muscles.

All exercises involving a joint stress the joint. The problem with leg extensions is that it's a standardized machine that not everyone fits in the same and can cause you to move the joint in a less than natural ROM.

Just thought I'd clear this up a bit. The actual advice part is spot on. Just don't forget hamstring exercises as well.

The knee joint can also move to the left or right to some degree. Otherwise we would walk as stiff as robots. You can be overflexible in the tendons, but this would rather be a a thing you're born with. However, stretching a joint never works out good, so your point still stands somehow.

[Ashtar]

People usually don't train the side-to-side movement of the knee, I don't even know if that's possible, you just instinctively resist it. Otherwise training splits or doing weighted side raises would be pretty damaging. Training adduction and abduction with resistance anchored below the knee (usually at ankle) probably helps a lot in stabilizing, though obviously you'd want to do it about equally so there's no imbalance.

[NightHunter]

The knee joint can also move to the left or right to some degree. Otherwise we would walk as stiff as robots. You can be overflexible in the tendons, but this would rather be a a thing you're born with. However, stretching a joint never works out good, so your point still stands somehow.

Yes I thought of this but considered it largely irrelevant to the point I was making. The movement from side to side is unavoidable, but any exercises involving the knee will help with stability in this plane of motion.

Since tendon length is an inborn trait I figured it's not worth it to really address.

[constantine]

ba humbug

[Swartz]

The only article Dogen should have made is TITANIUM PENIS.

[Kimimaro]

http://www.thewalkingsite.com/knee_exercises.html

This seems semi useful, didn't read it all.

Although people are capable of finding these answers on their own by searching around on google, I believe this is a good question that should be solidly and simply addressed. I mean we have stickies so you don't have to look around or figure it out yourself (TT seems more of a resource website). I was just thinking it'd be useful if someone just made a top 5 exercise list for strengthening the knees for people to include in their workout.

[Ashtar]

Somehow I don't think a site based on strengthening the knee for WALKING is going to be very useful for those of us already not only capable of walking, but running and jumping also.

Still it's a great read, the microcosm can give wisdom to the macrocosm.