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gurk
Feb-02-08, 07:48 AM
I signed up to a gym near my house, it was my first session today and I was set up with a personal trainer to show me the stuff. I signed up for a month, I plan on keeping with it, chances are ill be a member for a long time.

My first session was pretty bad. The guy sat me down and told me what weightlifting could do for me, commented on my posture and how we could fix it with weightlifting and told me a bit about himself. He was a competition level bodybuilder, he was pretty massive and like 50.

So I went in expecting him to assume I was another idiot teenager who wanted to do biceps curls and bench presses every day... He took me around the machines and got me to show him what I had, first we went to the leg press and he set me up with 10kg, I did like 20 reps and he kept increasing it by 10kg until we were at 50kg, he asked me to do 10 and asked me how I felt and I told him It was very easy. I don't wanna toot my own horn or anything but my legs are pretty strong(31inch vert), I've never done a weighted squat or anything though just yet. He stopped me and told me my legs were pretty strong and that we should just focus on my upper body for a while. At this point im thinking "lol wtf is this guy on about", im begining to seriously doubt his knowledge on training and fittness. Not once did he ask me my background or my goals. (Taekwondo 8 years currently quit, Parkour 1 year, Tricking 8 months, Indoor rock climbing 3 months. Goals: 2x bodyweight squat, increase upperbody strength in general, general strength/sports conditioning exercises).

So off to the Lat pulldown machine... (I looked in the gym, there were a bunch of really expensive treadmills, but I couldn't find a fucking SINGLE pull up bar.) Note : I can do 10~ pull ups. He sits me down on the lat pulldown machine and gets me to do 7.5kg pulldowns. thats like 20lbs. I didn't say anything.

Next, Cable row machine... 10 reps at 15kg/35~lb. Then "shoulder press" machine, (I can do partial handstand pushups against a wall, 4 or 5 partial reps, can't quite do full ROM yet). Lastly he took me to some fucking retarded Ab machine, its like an upright weighted crunch, it was ridiculous. I couldn't even feel it in my abs.

He wrote on a peice of paper the entire time, heres what he wrote.

Leg press

1x 10 x 50kg
1x 12 x 50kg
1x 15 x 50kg

Cable row

1x 10 x 15kg
1x 10 x 15kg
1x 15 x 15kg

Lat pull down

1 x 10 x 7.5kg
1 x 10 x 7.5kg
1 x 15 x 7.5kg

Shoulder press

1 x 10 x 7.5kg
1 x 10 x 7.5kg
1 x 15 x 7.5kg

"Abbs" (yea, thats how he spelt it)

1 x 10 x 17.5kg
1 x 12 x 17.5kg
1 x 15 x 17.5kg

At one point I told him "I want to focus more on my legs, heavy squats, deadlifts, big compounds lifts etc" and he said "You've only got 1 month worth of membership and programs like that take a long time to build, lets see where you are at the end of the month". The entire time I insisted on a heavier weight or something more difficult he was like "you're still 16, you're still growing. Your muscles are tender and not used to this kind of stuff" I was thinking about saying "I do tricking parkour and free running, im sure my muscles are going to be able to handle it." I didn't because he was scary and intimidating. Yes, im a pussy :[

The owner of the gym/health club at the end of my session when I was signing out asked me what I thought, and I said it was alright. He asked me what I wanted to do (I think he realized I wasn't really happy with the program) and I told him I wanted to do big heavy compound lifts, squats, deadlifts, bench press, etc. Make progress on those basic lifts and move onto olympic lifts further down the line, strength/power stuff...

Opinions? What should I do? I've never done a proper squat, deadlift or bench press in my life, I don't wanna be that dumb teenager who drops the barbell on his chest on a bench press.. I dunno how to do it or a routine/split. I used to try and give advice to people, but when I tried to make my own I failed pretty hard.

Is what the trainer dude is saying going to result in anything?...

Honken
Feb-02-08, 08:19 AM
Tell him that you aren't interested in bodybuilding-like training, that you want to focus on power and maximal strength. If he gives you the "oh noes young weakling"-speech then just say what you wrote here.

You seem to know what you're doing, he doesen't.

chicanerous
Feb-02-08, 01:13 PM
1) You are new to weight-training.
2) You need to go through a preparatory period to adjust to it.
3) This preparatory period is going to involve higher rep sets (8-15) and very simple training methods.
4) It should last 2-4 full months.

The only problem with what the trainer was doing is the exercises he selected. There is no need to use machines at this stage. You should be learning the basic form for back squats, conventional deadlifts, romanian deadlifts, bench presses, overhead presses, rows, and pull-ups or lat pull-downs (if you lack strength). In one form or another, this can be done from day one.

So, you do not want to do "big, heavy compound exercises." Instead, you want to learn great form for the main compound exercises and gradually progress to heavier weights after an initial preparatory learning and physically acclimating period.

Also, while your trainer should have asked you about your background and goals, at this point, frankly they aren't too important, as long as he knows that you are new to weight-training. This preparatory period is the same for every brand new lifter. A broad specialization only begins to take place after it has been completed and a specific specialization only once you're much further down the line.

It may be prudent to find another trainer, however, because it doesn't sound like he has the right background to assist your training further down the line and, more significant, judging by your description of his responses, he doesn't respect you due to your age -- though it could also be due to a lack of maturity you exhibited while communicating with him.

Finally, when you took a look around the gym, did you get the impression that it would be a gym usable for your goals? You mentioned that it didn't have a pull-up bar. Does it have a squat rack?

gurk
Feb-02-08, 10:11 PM
Yes, it did have a squat rack.

I don't think he lacked respect for me from my responses or the way I acted towards him, I took everything he said onboard and agreed with him, no matter how much I disagreed with him.

Ashtar
Feb-02-08, 11:38 PM
A lot of people have weak lats and suck at pulling, don't get pissed at him because he starts you low. Mention to him that you're strong, and show him your higher strength... How much does the lat pull go up to compared to your BW? It might still be better than chins if it goes higher.

Not that it matters, since you groaned at the concept of working your upper body rather than your lower...

Anyway, he's probably assuming your goals are to be a bodybuilder and look good naked. If you want to train for performance and stuff, don't wait for him to ask, bring it up. You can't assume he'll know you took TKD or do tricks.

He seems to not take you seriously, demonstrate your abilities on his program and keep progressing and eventually he'll relent and teach you some stuff.

Syn
Feb-04-08, 04:21 AM
Yes, it did have a squat rack.

I don't think he lacked respect for me from my responses or the way I acted towards him, I took everything he said onboard and agreed with him, no matter how much I disagreed with him.

so how do expect to get anywhere if you agree with him even if you have a different opinion?

JacktheHero
Feb-04-08, 04:41 AM
you are way to protective of this shitty gym, chic. obviously they don't have a clue about anything but bodybuilding or some other fitness fads - it's the same over here in Europe.

I am learning Olympuic Lifting with a coach and also some of the major compounds in a basement - for free - whereas my friend who's paying 100$/month for his gym membership isn't even allowed to do deadlifts, and they don't seem to have a squat cage, merely a smith-machine!

My best advice would be: get the hell out of that gym!

anfeyd
Feb-04-08, 08:12 AM
you are way to protective of this shitty gym, chic. obviously they don't have a clue about anything but bodybuilding or some other fitness fads - it's the same over here in Europe.

I am learning Olympuic Lifting with a coach and also some of the major compounds in a basement - for free - whereas my friend who's paying 100$/month for his gym membership isn't even allowed to do deadlifts, and they don't seem to have a squat cage, merely a smith-machine!

My best advice would be: get the hell out of that gym!

It doesn't matter because a raw beginner has no business diving into the snatch and clean and jerk on their first day. If you're learning them for free then good but your experience cannot be universally applied.

His gym has a squat rack and hes allowed to deadlift. That is all he needs right now for a training primer as chicanerous suggested. As he progresses then he may want to reconsider moving gyms. The only reason this might conflict is if he wants to follow a program like Rippetoe's in which case as long as his gym allows him to do the o-lifts then who cares.

Just ditch the trainer.

Ashtar
Feb-04-08, 06:01 PM
What if he starts doing squats and the trainer starts yelling and throws a dumbbell at his knee?

Syn
Feb-04-08, 06:37 PM
then I'd say the trainer was you, you lurking little shit

Ashtar
Feb-05-08, 09:32 AM
If it was, it wouldn't be a big problem because the heaviest dumbbell I can throw is the 1lb. I bet the knee could take it.