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Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 10:06 AM
I posted a somewhat relative article on my blog on MySpace, tho I wanna expand it a little more and rewrite it to focus on the technicals.

The main thesis is that starting simply and thinking simply is the best way to progress to become advanced.

I'm a.k.a. Bob in real life, btw.

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A TAO OF WORKING OUT

I have been a martial artist for close to 8 years and only lately have I consdered the severity of being a true artist, especially since tricking is being added to the modus operandi. On and off I've tried employing tidbits from this and that, but they all fall out.

My belief is that I was disorganized. I would write down plans on like what to do, when and how. However, actually sticking to it was the difficult part because the workouts will eventually become boring or an outside matter will steal me away. Also the body reaches a plateau where it becomes too used to the workouts that it doesn't even develop.

So I am writing my thoughts on the subject of working out.

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1. SCHEDULING

Start simple.

Split workouts into the various subjects:

A. Cardio
B. Weightlifting
C. Calisthenics
D. Tricking
E. Katas, forms and etc.

Begin working out with one of these things. For example, I have started off with weights. Three times a week with weights is perfect for me. Schedule:

Tuesday
Legs, 30-50 pound weights
1. Calf Raises, 30 lbs, 3x8
2. Squats, 50 lbs, 3x8
3. Leg Curl, 30 lbs, 3x8
4. Leg Extension, 30 lbs, 3x8
5. Knee Raises, body weight, 3x8
6. Kicks (front, side, round, etc...)
Thursday
Arms, 16-45 pound weights
1. Wrist Curls, 16 lbs, 3x8
2. Bicep Curls, 35 lbs, 2x8
3. Upright Row, 35 lbs,3x8
4. Tricep Kick-back, 16 lbs, 3x8
5. Bench Press, 35 lbs, 4x8
6. Tricep Pull-Down, 20 lbs, 3x8
7. Butterfly, 20 lbs, 3x8
8. Good Morning, 20 lbs, 3x8
9. Military Press, 35 lbs, 3x8
10. Lat Pulldown, 40 lbs, 3x8
11. Shoulder Shrug, 35 lbs, 3x8
12. Side Bend, 16 lbs, 3x8
Saturday
Total Body / Max Out
1. Wrist Curls, 16 lbs, 4x8
2. Calf Raises, 50 lbs, 4x8
3. Bicep Curls, 30 lbs, 3x8
4. Squats, 50 lbs, 4x8
5. Upright Row, 35 lbs, 4x8
6. Leg curls, 30 lbs, 4x8
7. Tricep Kick-back, 16 lbs, 4x8
8. Leg extension, 30 lbs, 4x8
9. Bench Press, 35 lbs, 5x8
10. Knee raises, body weight, 4x8
11. Tricep pulldown, 30 lbs, 4x8
12. Front kick, 4x8
13. Butterfly, 20 lbs, 4x8
14. Round kick, 4x8
15. Good Morning, 20 lbs, 4x8
16. Crescent kicks, 4x8

This is simple for me.

THEN... I consider Monday, Wednesday, and Friday:

Monday
Cardio
Running
(Shadow) Boxing
Forms
Wednesday
Trick Day (maybe)
Kick Boxing
Friday
Reistance Training (kicks, punches w/lightweights)

That's just an example. But I start simple, and I perhaps I don't even do MWF until I'm used to TTHSat. Start simple.

If you go to a dojo, you already have something going on. I got to dojo two times a week (Tuesday and Thursday) and practice katas, maybe tricking, and sparring.

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2. WORKOUT EVOLUTION

Start simple, and then modify, modify, experiment... experiment... change... evolve!

Three simple and specific areas of the body.
A. Arms
i. Pushups
a. Grip: Normal, wide, close, linear, fingers, wrist (side and back), fist, one handed.
b. Angle: Normal up-down, side2side, diagonal.
c. Weighted (weights on back).
d. Face: Normal face-down, upside down (tricep pushups), sideways (one-handed pushup), vertical (handstand pushup, crab).
e. Modification: Clap behind back, hop in circle, cat stretch.
ii. Pull-Ups
a. Grip: Normal, wide, close, ultra wide = overhand, underhand, using a towel, one-handed.
b. Leg position: Raised, pointed up.
c. Body position: Normal, flipped.
d. Weighted.
iii. Flags
B. Abs
i. Crunch/Sit-Up
a. Normal, twisting, weighted, leg-raises, knees held in air.ii. Frog Kicks
a.Normal, weighted, Curling, Held, Bursts, legs straight or not.
iii. Kicks
a. Check a martial art or two...
b. Modification: Normal, spin, reverse, jumping, jump spin.
c. Weighted
C. Legs
i. Calf/Shin Raises
a. Normal, one footed, weighted.
b. Angled (check Dogen's Tutorials on Titanium Ankles).
ii. Squats
a. Normal, deep, bursts, breathing squats, Russian squats, pistols.
iii. Pure Jumping!
a. Normal hops or whatever, hard and bursting, weighted, with a run, slam-dunk, with a kick.
iv. Running
a. Normal, jogging, sprinting.
b. Weighted, obsticles (up-hill, down-hill, things to jump over, grass/concrete).
c. Modification: Forwards, Backwards, sideways, side2side on the road, knees raised, skipping, jumping (like over obsticles).

But that's all that comes to mind right now, and that's kinda simple to start off with just basic pushups, sit-ups, and squats. Then evolve.

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3. MARTIAL ARTS

Tricker or not, martial arts can be beneficial. Not only are they, truthfully, a means of self-defense, coordination and self-discovery, but they are also a pathway to increasing your health, your view on life, and yo overall skillz.

There are thousands of civilizations. Throughout time, they have had to defend themselves against some adversary wishing to step within their boundaries and dominating them. These defending civilizations discovered their own ways of fighting against their oppressors, and the best of these "ways" survived.

Think about it: Karate, gung fu, boxing, krav maga, para serey (sp?), sambo or systema, and various others... these are examples of arts that people used to defend themselves or preserve their ancestors' ancient art.

So? What's important about that?

I say it's a obligation to study as much MA as possible and record them for all time.

Within each MA is a unique set of rules, standards, movements, strategies and philosophies intertwined with the style. Each is unique in some way. But above all, they all stress: discipline and hard work.

Both of those traits will carry a hard worker far if they want to progress far beyond their latterday selves, with no muscle or skillz.

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4. MODIFICATION

I can easily get discouraged from working out. The workouts get boring; the same shite over and over again... -_-.

"Well, hmm, let's think a moment, Bob... I can do 50 pushups under 1 min. What about 2? Okay, okay, I can't do that yet, but I can get 1:30. That's halfway! Let's keep going halfway until I can get to 2:00!"

"But that's boring; we're just doing more pushups over time, and anyone can do that with enough practice."

"Ahhh... but what if I did it on my fists? >.< Could only do 15! Let's keep trying until I can get to 20! "

"I can run 2 miles easy under 14 minutes (not really XD at least not yet), Bob, it's too easy. Okay... try doing it while running backwards or running from side2side on the road. :O Dang, that's tough, but I'll keep trying!"

The reason for change is not only to for the challenge, because there's another aspect to modification.

"Alright! This week, I did what I planned a day before the start of the week! ^^ I bet I can do it agai--"

"Naahh, Bob. Instead of starting off your Tuesday with 50 lbs calf raises with 3 sets of 8, do calf raises while in a squat-- or walking around-- or with your feet pointed at angles."

"*_* You trying to kill me?!"

"Then, you gotta do benchpresses at an incline. Then you gotta do breathing squats instead of regular squats, and with a little more weight just for today. Then, you gotta jumprope for 2 minutes and you HAVE to do 2 dbl unders for every 3 seconds, or for after every fourth skip. Then, you gotta do military presses instead of lat pull downs. Then, you gotta run a mile but you gotta do it in larks and you MUST include sprints, side2sides, jogs, even more sprints, and hops.

Then..."

Of course, not all in ONE DAY. XD But for whatever exercise I did one day, I will do it differently or replace it with another but relative exercise.

It helps to build TRUE muscle and power, and it destroys the Plateau Effect.

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5. WEIGHTS times THE HEAVY BAG

Regardless of whether or not it helps to tricking, I am an advocate to heavy bag training. For one thing, heavy bag training is strength applied to power: that is, instead of sloppy technique, you get good, POWERFUL technique.

"Bob, you need to spend one day a week of heavy bag training or do heavy bag training after you do weight training with your arms. If you do with your legs, you can practice your kicks. Plus, if train like a boxer, it helps to increase stamina and endurance."

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6. REST DAY

I do NOTHING on Sunday. For me it's Rest Day.

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7. FUELING YOUR INNER DRAGON

I'm sure there are articles here about that, 'cause all I know is to simply eat simple, eat well, eat what you NEED and not what you want, and plan your meals.

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8. LEAN WIT IT, WORK OUT WIT IT

The music you hear on samplers, the stuff you hear on the radio, or stuff your posse listens to-- whatever it is, if your body moves with it, burn it on a cd and workout with it.

If, and this would be funny, you feel you can do a thousand kicks while listening to Buddy Holly, more power to you. I actually get a huge pump and inspiration to workout from listening to a range of music, from "Get Krunk" by Lil' Jon and the Eastside Boyz, to ''Immigrant Song" by Led Zeppelin, to "Girlfriend" by Avril Lavigne.

LOUD and PARTY FAVORITED music is good, too, and Heavy Metal is a good example. Juji has a few samplers with them ("Mr. Torture" -- Helloween, "Last Before the Storm" -- Gamma Ray, "Fight Until We Die" -- Manowar, "We Disintigrate" -- Nevermore). Try 'em out.

If its bumping and you are grooving to it, you should probably work out with it. ^_~

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In Conclusion

So, there are my thoughts. Start simple, start REALLY simple, and then you change and expand.

Honken
Feb-03-08, 10:45 AM
Tuesday
Legs, Lbs: 20-30
Thursday
Arms, Lbs: 30-50
Saturday
Total Body / Max Out, Lbs: 20-50


What?

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 10:59 AM
So what?

Kon-El
Feb-03-08, 11:04 AM
Modus Operandi.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 11:05 AM
Modus Operandi.

YES! ^^ Thanks. ^^

Volador
Feb-03-08, 11:36 AM
The whole thing is a little difficult to understand for me, is this the philosophy you use to work out or something? You don't list the exercises nor the reps and sets you do, just the bodyparts and the weights, doesn't make a lot of sense :/ also, you forgot to include the back as a bodypart =P.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 11:44 AM
is it that hard to understand? I can edit.

Yeah it's like a philosophy for me; it's how I look at working out.

Well i dinnut wanna list the exercises, reps and sets and the actual lists 'cause that's a HELLUVA lot of info and I wanted to be simple. I wanted to illustrate it the way Sesshoumaru displayed the Class A's and then showed how they evolved into bigger tricks. I was trying to use the same strategem.

But I can rewrite the post; I want it to be comprehensible.

True the back I left out.

chicanerous
Feb-03-08, 12:03 PM
Modus Operandi.

raison d'etre

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 01:02 PM
huh, raison d'etre I've never heard before.

Shadow5217
Feb-03-08, 01:51 PM
huh, raison d'etre I've never heard before.

What is Raison d'etre? All I know is its a title of a song I know of.

Honken
Feb-03-08, 02:10 PM
So what?

What the fuck does it mean?

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 02:17 PM
It's just an example, that's what it means.

Honken
Feb-03-08, 02:25 PM
'Arms = 30-50' could mean anything.

Gusch
Feb-03-08, 02:36 PM
raison d'être = purpose of life or the right to exist.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 02:42 PM
hmmm, thanks Gusch.

AHHHH, now I see where you're lost. Arms - 30-50 pound weights, as in weights used in weight lifting. XD sorry 'bout that mate

anfeyd
Feb-03-08, 02:59 PM
Don't you find it odd you lift more with your arms than you do with your legs?

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 03:01 PM
yeah, in particular because the legs actually need more resistance to develop than the arms.

But, again, starting off simply, and because my legs are not the bomb. Boith ankles and knees are sore from tricking.

And it's also because I use my legs less than my arms, period.

Honken
Feb-03-08, 03:17 PM
Sudrunk, I know you meant weightlifting. But the are probably hundreds of exercises for the arms, and saying 30-50lbs is extremely vague since you haven't mentioned what exercise, how many reps, why and so on.

DarkXacreD
Feb-03-08, 03:32 PM
I think he might just mean [insert lower body workout here] when he says legs and [insert upper body workout here] when he says arms.

Papa Lazarou
Feb-03-08, 03:33 PM
Boith ankles and knees are sore from tricking.


I don't think you should train on sore joints. Probably better not to trick until they're sore either for that matter.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 03:35 PM
I don't think you should train on sore joints. Probably better not to trick until they're sore either for that matter.

True, but I've also been running lots.

And aye, that is what I meant. I was merely pointing at three body parts, three areas that can be worked out and how much weight I use.

I didn't wanna show my lists of exercises because I fear they'd be too much information.

or are you saying there's not enough info?

Papa Lazarou
Feb-03-08, 03:47 PM
The information you gave is just useless in that form. You could say "high resistance, low repetition training" or something instead. That would take up the same space while being meaningful information. For all we know you're doing one rep of ~40lbs.


True, but I've also been running lots.

Heh? You mean the running is another reason for the soreness? Probably better not get sore from running either. Endurance running is not really helpful for a trickster... though it might be useful for a competitive martial artist I guess. Meh, so long as you aren't hurting yourself I suppose.

Haha, this thread's too negative. Good for you that you're thinking about it in depth. Good luck with it!

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 05:56 PM
I've re-edited the thread, including even more information.

twist
Feb-03-08, 06:09 PM
i think i read weighted running in there, dunno about that man... seems like a good idea to permanently fuck with your knees and ankles

and squat 50 lbs? a little light? or maybe i just do noot understeend

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 06:12 PM
This is just for the start; this is what I'm doing for now. I wanna be sure I can do anything before I advance.

Aye, running with weights can hurt; it's what I had to do for Raider Challenge (ROTC).

compleks
Feb-03-08, 06:20 PM
I didn't actually read the thread (don't have time at the moment), but this is insane:


Tuesday

Legs, 30-50 pound weights

1. Calf Raises, 30 lbs, 3x8
2. Squats, 50 lbs, 3x8
3. Leg Curl, 30 lbs, 3x8
4. Leg Extension, 30 lbs, 3x8
5. Knee Raises, body weight, 3x8
6. Kicks (front, side, round, etc...)

Thursday

Arms, 16-45 pound weights

1. Wrist Curls, 16 lbs, 3x8
2. Bicep Curls, 35 lbs, 2x8
3. Upright Row, 35 lbs,3x8
4. Tricep Kick-back, 16 lbs, 3x8
5. Bench Press, 35 lbs, 4x8
6. Tricep Pull-Down, 20 lbs, 3x8
7. Butterfly, 20 lbs, 3x8
8. Good Morning, 20 lbs, 3x8
9. Military Press, 35 lbs, 3x8
10. Lat Pulldown, 40 lbs, 3x8
11. Shoulder Shrug, 35 lbs, 3x8
12. Side Bend, 16 lbs, 3x8

Saturday

Total Body / Max Out

1. Wrist Curls, 16 lbs, 4x8
2. Calf Raises, 50 lbs, 4x8
3. Bicep Curls, 30 lbs, 3x8
4. Squats, 50 lbs, 4x8
5. Upright Row, 35 lbs, 4x8
6. Leg curls, 30 lbs, 4x8
7. Tricep Kick-back, 16 lbs, 4x8
8. Leg extension, 30 lbs, 4x8
9. Bench Press, 35 lbs, 5x8
10. Knee raises, body weight, 4x8
11. Tricep pulldown, 30 lbs, 4x8
12. Front kick, 4x8
13. Butterfly, 20 lbs, 4x8
14. Round kick, 4x8
15. Good Morning, 20 lbs, 4x8
16. Crescent kicks, 4x8

That sort of volume is completely unnecessary. Professional bodybuilders don't even do that many exercises.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 06:21 PM
so I should do less?

compleks
Feb-03-08, 06:33 PM
Much less. 4-5 large compound exercises would be more than sufficient.

Mind you, I'm not sure of your goals, so I'm making some assumptions.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 06:39 PM
Well I was a'thinkin to work out the said body part starting from the bottom-most part (say, fingers or calves) to the top (back or glutes).

Much less... well, makes the workout a lil' shorter. XD oh well

Kimimaro
Feb-03-08, 07:02 PM
I didn't actually read the thread (don't have time at the moment), but this is insane:



That sort of volume is completely unnecessary. Professional bodybuilders don't even do that many exercises.

As I'm not very experienced, could this possibly be detrimental? or just a waste of time?

compleks
Feb-03-08, 07:33 PM
Well I was a'thinkin to work out the said body part starting from the bottom-most part (say, fingers or calves) to the top (back or glutes).

Much less... well, makes the workout a lil' shorter. XD oh well
Will also make the workout a little more efficient.
Shorter workouts are a good thing. More time to trick, or do whatever else you enjoy (except for more training).


As I'm not very experienced, could this possibly be detrimental? or just a waste of time?
Both. Going too hard can lead to a range of problems, but wasting time is the most likely result.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-03-08, 07:48 PM
so, about 4-5 exercise only per workout?

compleks
Feb-03-08, 08:07 PM
Not necessarily. But you should be basing your workouts around a few large compound exercises.

At the moment your training three times a week, correct?
Doing:
Lower body
Upper body (not arms, it's the entire upper body. Or that's what it should be)
Full body

That is a fine split, but choose your exercises with more care.


I have to go to work, but have a think about what your goals are, and how to best achieve them.

[RozoN]
Feb-03-08, 11:55 PM
How much sets do you have on each exercise? Especially on your "Arms" workout?. With such a huge amount of exercises it would seem that you're training for hours! Do you manage fit all this into one hour? That's crazy :-/.

I'm not bashing or criticizing you. I'm just curious, and trying to learn more :smile:

Edit: And I'm curious on your "Total Body/Max Out" day. Are you saying that you're training ALL your body in one session? Which means your training your legs and arms two times a week? Is that a good idea? Will those kind of sessions give better results then just concentrating on certain muscle groups at a time? Like "Chest and Back workout" or " Bicep and tricep workout"?

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-04-08, 03:56 AM
hey dun worry, criticisms are good 'cause they tell me what may be doing wrong.

when I do the total body, yeah, it's the entire body.

Well, my goal is to get stronger and powerful; I'm focused on getting powerful, really.

I do 3 sets of 8 per exercise, tho on the total body workout I increase the number of sets by 1.

... if it's power I want, I guess I should ease it a bit so to have more time on the heavy bag or to do performance?

Honken
Feb-04-08, 06:34 AM
Sudrunk, why haven't you read the stickies? A Guide to Weight-Training for Tricking (http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36390) is an excellent post by Chicanerous that answers all your questions. It's not only for tricking, the kind of weightlifting he discusses is what most athletes do (the smart ones).

[RozoN]
Feb-04-08, 08:58 AM
hey dun worry, criticisms are good 'cause they tell me what may be doing wrong.

when I do the total body, yeah, it's the entire body.

Well, my goal is to get stronger and powerful; I'm focused on getting powerful, really.

I do 3 sets of 8 per exercise, tho on the total body workout I increase the number of sets by 1.

... if it's power I want, I guess I should ease it a bit so to have more time on the heavy bag or to do performance?
If you want strength, wouldn't it be better to do lesser sets/reps and heavier weights? And I still want to know how much time you use on your workouts:smile:.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-04-08, 10:17 AM
roughly 1 or 2 hours per workout

I might've glanced at the stickies.

Plus, dudes, the way I wrote this originally was to be flexible so that it would be more like a fill in the blank and a guideline, and not as a *gospel PRAISE DA LORD* rule. XD

And other than my ludicrous weight training schedule, would someone like to make any kind of a comment to what else I had in my writing? I would appreciate it.

anfeyd
Feb-04-08, 12:31 PM
I'm not sure what else you want us to comment on as the rest is basically your philosophy.

Sudrunk Monkey
Feb-04-08, 03:36 PM
true, true, indeed it is my philosophy.

oh well, it was worth a shot.