you either got it or you dont?

[gurk]

yesterday i went to my gym session. daniel ilabaca was there and so was team e, danny was in the country for a k-swiss promotion and hes been training with some of the sydneyparkour.com guys.

when i got there i knew it would be a crazy session when everyone was tumbling and doing crazy shit on the plyo 15 minutes into the 2 hours session. i saw someone do a crazy round off back, heapppps high, so i thought "shit. i wanna get that today". so i spent about 40 minutes being a faggot pussy bitch and not doing anything and then i did one into the pit and hardened up and went to the plyo, threw one out and realized it was fucking easy. then i went back to the pit to see if i could double (lol), in the processes someone from team e taught me out to x-out and i went straight to the plyo after an attempt in the pit. it worked fucking perfectly, best feeling ever.

later that day as me and my mates were leaving we got into a discussion in the car about tricking and weather you had it, or didnt. some people are just fucking talented in the air and know exactly what to do and when to do it and learn it straight away, it always makes me think. "wish i could do that". not the trick but just pick things up so quickly, so for the past day i've been thinking about it.

can you train/teach/learn air awareness/body awareness and motor iq kinda things? how do these people who see something and then do it straight away function?

[Cicero]

Go to the Training and Conditioning forum.

[Braka]

Ofcourse you can train to be more aware in the air and get better body awareness, think of a backflip for instance at first you have to think about it everytime you do it when your practicing but in time you don't have to think about doing it you just do it, it's just some people are better than others at first or just have no fear in doing a flip ect. People who see something and do it straight away in my experience usually aren't unco haha it's true and can analyze the technique very well.

And o yeah WOW! you got to trick with Team E and Daniel Ilabaca :D that would of been EXTREME

[Skilzat85X]

To be honest I think there are some people who got it and some who don't.

There's plenty of people who start tricking but never really make any progress. And you never really see much footage from them for that reason.

Sure, you can build air awareness and coordination and tricking ability and all that...but the majority of people who "don't got it" don't seem to have the dedication or time to do that, obviously.

It just comes quite easy to some people, and very hard for others. IT! IT!

[chicanerous]

It's been shown that the breadth and types of activities you are exposed to as a child have a large bearing on your athletic success later on in life. Moreover, if you missed out, there's only so much you can do to make up for it.

Based on that, I would guess that a lot of successful trickers (the ones that "get it") participated in some sort of childhood activity or sport that had a large spatial awareness component or whatever the attribute that would influence "air awareness" would be. I also like to imagine that they spent a lot of time inverting themselves on the monkey bars at the playground. :tongue:

[gurk]

mm the overall aim of this was to help me to try and figure out if ive got it or not. it doesnt really matter but it would still be nice to know if i have a natural predisposition to trick.

[glide2]

Yes some people have the ability to learn anything fast and land a new trick after only a couple of tries. I call them "naturals", or "lucky bastards". A guy I know is like that, I was doing websters and he's like hey what's this move and I explain to him and next thing you know, he's busting websters much better than mine. Another guy I know has been struggling with the aerial since forever and just doesn't get it. He can't even do a proper cartwheel. So yes, in conclusion, you have people who have it, and those who don't (me).

[jiayo-chris]

I think it's just a thing that people either have or they don't, you can train hard to get better but you can't train to improve how easily you get better if you know what i mean.

[AdamSwaluk]

You guys know how when you first started tricking, your roundoffs were hella awkward and your tornado kicks were forced and...well, you just looked like a "fish out of water" anytime you did so much as jump? You didn't have it.

Now you do.

Think about that for a moment.

[jiayo-chris]

Yeah of course it all becomes more natural and you progress improves, but some people are naturals, i mean look at Ott, if everyone proggressed as fast as him we would all be insane!

[AdamSwaluk]

What's his history?

MA, bboying, etc.? Something must have prepared him for tricking. Why? Because tricking is not natural.

[jiayo-chris]

Umm don't quote me on it but i think he has no MA background but he has a bboy background, but from his first few samplers released a year or so ago, to the teddy and ott sampler the improvement is insane!

[AdamSwaluk]

Yeah, but if he has bboy background, that means he didn't start from scratch.

So there was a time when Ott didn't have it, either.

[J-kob]

I don't think you should really care if you "have it" or not. The thing is, if you love tricking, love doing it, having it or not won't stop you from "doing it".

I personally never cared if I "had it" and I don't really care now either. And I think I wouldn't have so much pleasure tricking if I busted every move in my first try. I remember when I first went to learn b-twists, straight from my room, when I watched a few examples. I trained for like an hour, basically got it, posted it on TT.com, received a tip from Swartz, went to try it, and my b-twists were awesome. I felt proud and accomplished even a few days later :wink:

And I think that's how it should be, or at least this make sense for me :wicked:

[Skilzat85X]

You guys know how when you first started tricking, your roundoffs were hella awkward and your tornado kicks were forced and...well, you just looked like a "fish out of water" anytime you did so much as jump? You didn't have it.

Now you do.

Think about that for a moment.

There's some people who's roundoffs are awkward and tornado kicks are forced...forever basically haha.
The ability to make negligible progress: that's what I call not "gotting it" lol.

[Gravityjay]

You guys know how when you first started tricking, your roundoffs were hella awkward and your tornado kicks were forced and...well, you just looked like a "fish out of water" anytime you did so much as jump? You didn't have it.

Now you do.

Think about that for a moment.

Ive always had a natural affinity for tumbling, even though I come from a martial arts background. When I train tumbling properly, I make massive progression quickly.

I have pretty good air awareness as well. Although obviously not while doing flash fulls...

[Tocano]

I agree completely. There is definitely an IQ for body awareness/coordination. Some people just learn faster. I can usually learn an easy to average level move in one to three session as long as I understand it. Usually I just watch a lot of videos before I go trick and make sure I know EXACTLY what the move looks like. When I know how it looks, its pretty easy to recreate. c720s took me 3 sessions before it clicked. Round off backs were scary til I tried it. First time I busted a huge round off flash.

http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The%20Nine%20Types%20of%20Intelligence.htm

This is a very popular theory of intelligence. Gardner says that there are nine types including stuff like musical, social, spatial, and yes, "Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence."

I think spatial pays a large part in tricking too. It's important to understand the move before you actually perform it.

[chicanerous]

You guys know how when you first started tricking, your roundoffs were hella awkward and your tornado kicks were forced and...well, you just looked like a "fish out of water" anytime you did so much as jump? You didn't have it.

Now you do.

Think about that for a moment.
That's called learning. Not "having it" or "not having it."

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Anyways, the big thing to know is that, as in any sport, you can't make an arbitrary assessment about whether you have it or don't have it until you've actually given things a chance. Work hard for a few years and then ask yourself whether you have it. If you decide that you don't, well, yeah maybe you aren't going to end up the best, but that was kind of unrealistic to expect in the first place. What you do have is a strong work ethic that took you through those couple years of training and that's something to be proud of. So, rejoice in what you can do and don't worry so much about what you can't. Just go out have a good time and do the best that you can do -- that's ultimately all you can ask of yourself.

[tricker_d]

Having ocd helps your tricking too :good:

[jiayo-chris]

It also makes you a retard :good:.

[J-kob]

It also makes you a retard :good:.

ahahaha :tongue:

[frankinstine]

It also makes you a retard :good:.

Hahaha, i lol'ed.:smile:

[TysonTF]

Was your session at castle hill?

[compacttricks]

Yea it's possible, take in mind that danny has been training for years now, if you want to do something really bad, and devote yourself to it then it will come fast and naturally but only if you put work into it, all danny does is train, and train and train then conditions and trains again lol, think of it as a job one day instead of just a hobby. Eat healthy go on jogs,condition and forget about your social life!!!

[tricker_d]

It also makes you a retard :good:.

Hahaha. Retarded actually means you can't do certain things. Ocd just means your more prone to getting obsessed with something, tricking for example.

[AndyD11]

It also makes you a retard :good:.

asshole :sad: haha

[Skilzat85X]

When you feel it in your body
You found somebody who makes you change your ways
Like hanging with your crew
Said you act like you're ready
But you don't really know
And everything in your past - you wanna let it go

[AndyD11]

i was thinking the same :wink:

[Deezy(LoOpk!cks)]

sad but true /=

its part nature, part nurture

imo everyone's given a maximum potential and whether or not they reach it depends on their methods of training, amount of time training, training environment, the people they train with etc etc.

having coached and trained hundred of trickers (and even more traditional martial artists), thats just how i look at it.

[Rahf]

Some are more talented with different abilities than others. I am often very good on theoretical planes but lacking in the practical department. Others are my complete opposites and don't know left from right, but can execute some impressive physical stunts and just show a better coordination as well as physical motor skills.

Personally I reckon my biggest talent to be my aptitude for the English language. How I wish it were different sometimes :sad:

[Deezy(LoOpk!cks)]

you CAN manipulate the way it looks tho.

take Sesshoumaru for instance. we can all go on about how amazing his kicks are because they are. they definately seem like his strength in tricking based purely on the volume of kicking tricks he throws. fact is tho, flipping is his strength, and he'll say the same thing.

he intentionally manipulates his repitoire to be more wellrounded or heavier towards the kicks.

[Shaolin.dk]

The most important thing for me is to have fun and meet new people trough tricking, I know I'll never be one of the best, but i dont care, because the most important thing is to have fun!

[Deezy(LoOpk!cks)]

The most important thing for me is to have fun and meet new people trough tricking, I know I'll never be one of the best, but i dont care, because the most important thing is to have fun!

thats by far the best way to look at it. n who says you have to be hitting triple corks to be having fun?

[lak89]

i'm one of those unstable ones, most of the time i don't really have it, i can never fully get myself 'in the zone', i can still honestly say my btwists were at their best 4 years ago, back when i actually did jump before i twist. In my whole tricking life, there were less than 10 times where i 'had it', like had it in me and those were the best sessions i've ever had

[jan]

You guys know how when you first started tricking, your roundoffs were hella awkward and your tornado kicks were forced and...well, you just looked like a "fish out of water" anytime you did so much as jump? You didn't have it.

Now you do.

Think about that for a moment.

Tbh, I never ever actually TRIED doing tornados, roundoffs, cartwheels etc... I always just knew those things.

CORK on the other hand... What a horrible, horrible move.