Saturated fat does not increase risk of coronary heart disease or stroke.

[Rahf]

Recent and older studies have shown that saturated fat does not correlate with increased risk of coronary heart disease, stroke or increased cholesterol levels.

Article on the matter: http://www.drbriffa.com/blog/2008/02/06/more-healthy-eating-advice-from-the-uk-government-that-is-unlikely-to-do-any-good-at-all/

Other references:

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[rock_eleven]

Rahf, http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?p=828134#post827079

Thanks.

[NightHunter]

Rahf, thank you.

You're good with looking up stuff before spouting it off as fact, and willing to change your stance to support what the evidence supports. I like that about you.

[Rahf]

Rahf, thank you.

You're good with looking up stuff before spouting it off as fact, and willing to change your stance to support what the evidence supports. I like that about you.

I don't even know if you're serious or not. I just wrote it up and hoped it might be an interesting read for the members of TT.

[NightHunter]

I don't even know if you're serious or not. I just wrote it up and hoped it might be an interesting read for the members of TT.

I get that a lot.

I was being serious. It's not really for this thread, just in general.

[Rahf]

I get that a lot.

I was being serious. It's not really for this thread, just in general.

I wonder why :wonder:

In any case I'm not taking full credit for this, the link itself is something I found from another guy and the reference list is simply there to show the extent of studies made that support the matter.

Important note people:

While this suggests that saturated fat is not as dangerous as some may think, it still does not say that it is healthy. On the other hand you can probably drop the phobia of saturated fat.

[rock_eleven]

Well this is news to me. Why has it not been mentioned before?

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Rahf, if you are not planning to respond to my post in the thread linked above then you could at least not be a complete homo and say that you refuse to answer it.

[anfeyd]

This is not news to me. But now I have references for others, thanks Rahf :smile:

[Tossman]

good post rahf. i really enjoy ur stuff.

to be honest i just took a quick look at the link and some of the references.
my opinion on the matter is that it's fair to say that "there's no CONCLUSIVE evidence to suggest that saturated fatty acids cause heart disease per se". however that also goes to say that there is also no evidence to say it can maintain cardiovascular health.

it would be very upsetting if ppl took research such as an excuse to INCREASE their SFA intake thinking, "oh, its not bad for u!", and munching down on 40 burgers/day.

whether or not SFAs can increase serum cholesterol, and in turn increase risk of heart disease may be debatable. but i dont think there's any debate that SFAs are very high in caloric value. and that is definitely a cause of obesity. if i'm not mistaken obesity is a risk factor for diabetes, and surprise surprise, diabetes is a risk factor for heart disease.

edit: actually i'm gonna be seeing my supervisor in a few hours. he's a prof of nutrition. i'll pick his brain on the matter too. if u guys r interested, i'll let u know

[rock_eleven]

it would be very upsetting if ppl took research such as an excuse to INCREASE their SFA intake thinking, "oh, its not bad for u!", and munching down on 40 burgers/day.

Well this is a middle ground, you know, far below 40 burgers per day. Some people would do well to increase their intake of saturated fats. It obviously depends what their diet is at the moment.

but i dont think there's any debate that SFAs are very high in caloric value. and that is definitely a cause of obesity.

What are you saying is a cause of obesity? People eating saturated fats, because they are "high" in calories? Please clarify.

[Tossman]

haha of course i'm exaggerating by saying "40 burgers"
but y would anyone need to increase their saturated fat intake? is there some benefit for consuming saturated fats?

yes, i'm saying saturated fats are high in calories, compared to say...proteins and carbs (though not compared to unsaturated fats. but that's a different story)

[tracekillz]

Rahf, thank you.

You're good with looking up stuff before spouting it off as fact, and willing to change your stance to support what the evidence supports. I like that about you.

i agree. rahf is very thorough, and a valuable assett here at TT. (i'm still not sure if that's a good thing haha..)

*rahf appreciation*

[NightHunter]

i agree. rahf is very thorough, and a valuable assett here at TT. (i'm still not sure if that's a good thing haha..)

*rahf appreciation*

He's also better at English than you are.

[pete_man_man]

Rahf please find something better to do with your time for the love of SHIT haahaha

:wink:

- Shengoikee

[Rahf]

Rahf please find something better to do with your time for the love of SHIT haahaha

:wink:

- Shengoikee

I probably should but at the moment and for a few months going, there's nothing better to do really.

[Lobo]

haha of course i'm exaggerating by saying "40 burgers"
but y would anyone need to increase their saturated fat intake? is there some benefit for consuming saturated fats?
Yes, obviously there's numerous benefits from various saturated fats, ha ha.

[pete_man_man]

stop bumming saturated fats you daft cunts haha

- Shengoikee

[Final Prophecy]

No shit fats (of any sort) are high in calories.

9 kcal/gram of fat
4 kcal/gram of protein/carbohydrate.

We all know this.

Honestly, why are saturated fats "saturated?" Answer it for yourself. When you do, you'll realize how it could potentially imperil health. (HINT: Think molecularly).

The shit never stopped me from eating McDonalds though.

[compleks]

Honestly, why are saturated fats "saturated?" Answer it for yourself. When you do, you'll realize how it could potentially imperil health. (HINT: Think molecularly).

I don't see how the structure of a fat molecule is really relevant. Just because it is 'saturated' with hydrogen molecules, doesn't mean it must be bad.

[NightHunter]

I don't see how the structure of a fat molecule is really relevant. Just because it is 'saturated' with hydrogen molecules, doesn't mean it must be bad.

That's where your logic is obviously wrong compleks. You're just too stupid to understand.

You see, hydrogen is highly flammable and if you have too much in your body, like from saturated fats, there will be small explosions caused by electrical impulses traveling down nerves and igniting the hydrogen pockets. If there is enough hydrogen in your body, you may spontaneously combust.

[Papa Lazarou]

Saturated fat is more fluid than unsaturated fat at a given temperature though, right?

I don't know what else it's used for, but I think saturated carbon chains are fairly rare in cellular membranes (keeps them the right fluidity). So I guess having too many might be a problem.

Looking for micronutrients to blame bad health on is probably a bit counter-productive though.

[Tossman]

saturated fat is LESS fluid
eg, compare butter to vegetable oil


You see, hydrogen is highly flammable and if you have too much in your body, like from saturated fats, there will be small explosions caused by electrical impulses traveling down nerves and igniting the hydrogen pockets. If there is enough hydrogen in your body, you may spontaneously combust.
gold!

[rock_eleven]

I don't know what else it's used for, but I think saturated carbon chains are fairly rare in cellular membranes (keeps them the right fluidity). So I guess having too many might be a problem.


Plus comme they're easily about 30% of membrane FA's. This varies hugely between cells, species, and conditions, though, partly for the reason you mentioned.

Looking for micronutrients to blame bad health on is probably a bit counter-productive though.

Why?

[Kitosho]

Recent and older studies have shown that saturated fat does not correlate with increased risk of coronary heart disease, stroke or increased cholesterol levels.





I concur

[Papa Lazarou]

Tossman - yes, I got it the wrong way round!

rock eleven - I just meant that blaming micronutrients for bad health is misleading for the public. People will get the wrong idea of how to be healthy. Like looking for easy ways out and so on. I doubt giving everyone detailed information on nutrition is a good way to get improvements.

[tracekillz]

He's also better at English than you are.

if i were overly concerned about the efficiency of my communications, then that could be an issue. however, i think i can express myself quite decently. good enough for people to understand me, anway. and that, my friend is good enough for me. =]

and yes, i would assume he is better at english.

[Ernest]

I don't see how the structure of a fat molecule is really relevant. Just because it is 'saturated' with hydrogen molecules, doesn't mean it must be bad.

The longer a carbon chain is, the number of potential bonding sites increase. The accumulated bonds make a molecule stronger, thus requiring more energy to break.

Double bonds (unsaturated here) take up 2 out of the 4 available bonds.
Saturated fat has no double bonds, which means twice the amount of connections are taken - double the strength, and, by extension, double the amount of energy is needed to break it down.

Is this relevant?

[rock_10]

No, nor does it make any sense.

[Ernest]

My apologies King Rock Ten Eleven Receive

*kowtow*