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jessster

Mar-09-08, 04:42 AM

hi! today I've tryed to do some websters and I keep falling on my ass....I've tryed to keep my head/body higher during the takeoff by looking forward ( the aerial principle) but I seem to get not enough height to land them....also I can see that I'm not tucked when I'm in the air and I think that this can be a problem I think....so what can I fo to get more height into them and how can I tuck to rotate faster ( if the problem is the tuck )???
Thankyou guys!!

oh here is the vid....http://youtube.com/watch?v=qgaN3MzCr5Q

loveisalie2

Mar-09-08, 04:52 AM

you dive downwards too much, you look like you want to aim for the ground, and you rotate just as you are about to hit it,
try not to do that and try to rotate more quickly

mchitti

Mar-09-08, 04:54 AM

UP, UP!!!!

n3m3s1s

Mar-09-08, 04:55 AM

DIP!

Phil D

Mar-09-08, 05:53 AM

DIP!

hmmm i was thinking about this the other day. in Lynalls webster tutorial he focuses alot on the dip and his head is right down by his knee on take off, but when pete man man does them he keeps his body prety much upright on take off. Both have great websters.

leinad_gsxr

Mar-09-08, 06:29 AM

i have the same problem with my webster i land it almost exactly like your :S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxLAFHrUIE

jessster

Mar-09-08, 06:37 AM

i have the same problem with my webster i land it almost exactly like your :S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQxLAFHrUIE

hmmm..well I can't land them but I don't think you need to run so much into them...also do a little jump at the end of the run...it will help you to get momentum where you want it....

eddy wang

Mar-09-08, 07:12 AM

I'm trying to upload my webster tutorial but its sucking keep your eyes open i will try to upload in other connection today.

Dave

Mar-09-08, 07:25 AM

hmmm i was thinking about this the other day. in Lynalls webster tutorial he focuses alot on the dip and his head is right down by his knee on take off, but when pete man man does them he keeps his body prety much upright on take off. Both have great websters.

pete man is strong, that's why it works for him [plus I think you are referring to his web layouts].

The easiest way to do websters though doesn't really require much strength.

Anyway to the OP, don't think about it as a front flip at all. Right now you start with your hands above your head and throw them down, this isn't necessary.

As someone else said, dipping is important. When you take your hurdle/hop, be lowering your upperbody to the ground and...dipping haha. During that hop get your left leg ahead of your body, then when you take off push and jump off that leg and reach out with your left arm/both arms and grab your left knee squeezing it tightly to your chest.

During this of course continue to be swinging your back leg behind you.

So how does this work out? Dogens COG tutorial says to be high and stall! Well websters aren't like that at all. You tuck as quickly and tightly as you can. However this is possibly the most important tip, think about what direction your upper body is moving in when you take off. Is it stationary? Moving towards the ground? Although you are low to the ground, you want your head/shoulders to be pulled UP as you take off. This stops you from drilling directly into the ground.

The greatest mythconception with Websters is that you need to have your upper body/head "high" when taking off.

Anyway it's all sort of hard to type out and explain properly... Sorry if this confuses you, just ask and I'll try to explain it better or something.

Dave

Mar-09-08, 07:39 AM

poliver

Mar-09-08, 07:56 AM

highish? sorry but to me that looks crouched...

Patrick Alessi

Mar-09-08, 08:11 AM

The problem here is you arms.
You only get them aligned with you budy on you jump.

You need to really swing and force them to the point of where they can't reatch fouther becouse of the sholderbaleds. Then it allso helpes to turne the hips a bit sideways for better landing.

saunders

Mar-09-08, 08:22 AM

jump HARD off that take-off leg
swing your swinging leg HARD

forget everything else

edit:
and by HARD i mean HARD

poliver

Mar-09-08, 08:35 AM

jump HARD off that take-off leg
swing your swinging leg HARD

forget everything else

edit:
and by HARD i mean HARD

best advice so far :smile:

Dave

Mar-09-08, 08:37 AM

highish? sorry but to me that looks crouched...

Why be sorry about your observational opinion?

Anyway, the main point I guess is that I can land them easily so the advice I gave wasn't just pure speculation, it was based off of my personal experience.

Dave

Mar-09-08, 08:39 AM

And saunders is correct, however..

forget everything else
HARD

Don't do that bit haha, if you just put in a lot more effort/energy into what you are doing now you will still fail or perhaps land, but it will be below average.

saunders

Mar-09-08, 08:55 AM

Patrick Alessi

Mar-09-08, 09:16 AM

Just think that if you don't use ALL your Jules your familly wil DIE!

Dave

Mar-09-08, 10:02 AM

well my websters used to be crappy and low and ugly, but ever since i heared pete_man_mans advice of simplifying moves and just focussing on the legs on websters and aerials my websters and aerials improved looooaaaads. so i'd say just give it a try. :good:

Perhaps, but his technique right now is drilling himself into the ground, I wouldn't like for him to do so even harder.

But you are right, it is at least worth a try.

loveisalie2

Mar-09-08, 08:28 PM

just have an irrelevant question.
why is a webster called a webster???

CodyLee1337

Mar-09-08, 08:34 PM

That's a very good question...but I don't think you should run to much and tuck your torso into your chest more if that makes sense.

Dave

Mar-09-08, 08:38 PM

Because spiders were the first to coin the phrase when they used their web shots to kill yo ass.

Counterfeit Soda

Mar-12-08, 03:18 AM

This isn't that great, from sometime end of last year but you can see how even though my upperbody is low, I can still land it "high" [ish].

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5145/l4ad94b96557f3f84978b54qu2.gif

That isn't high at all IMO. Not to critique, but it looks sloppy, more like a diving front flip than a webster, which is a problem because your set up for it is most likely going to limit how much you can improve it. Most trickers would be better off doing their websters like a front tuck step-out. If you want to learn a proper webster however, learn from a gymnast who can do a solid front aerial on the beam.

Most trickers should stay away from gymnastics moves in general though because they generally butcher them. It's nice and all to be able to rotate enough to land on your feet, but that way of doing things sucks if you're planning on any real progression, which is why gymnasts will always be able to do things easily that trickers struggle with for ages.

Dave

Mar-12-08, 06:34 AM

I couldn't really give a fuck about gymnasts dude, I just trick for the love of it! I could post a more recent webster, but I got nothing to prove and I really couldn't care less. I was just trying to help out a fellow tricker via contributing, however your contribution has helped no one.

It's your opinion and that is completely fine. But saying what you said changes nothing, does no good and is just a waste of your energy.

"Most trickers should stay away from gymnastics moves in general...."

Fuck that! Trickers should do whatever the hell they wanna do haha, that's what makes tricking so friggin awesome. Follow your interests, follow your love and follow THE PASSION!!!

Kay

Mar-12-08, 08:51 AM

Making a lil Tutorial

*EDIT*
Ok done
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=256cj1d&s=3
Before anyone says its low or something i hardly used any power coz i was afraid of taking my friends hand off lol

jessster

Mar-12-08, 09:19 AM

ok guys thank a lot to all of you! I'll try to apply your tips the next session this week end ( I hope) and then I' ll come back with news ( I hope good news...)...anyway I think that that thing about tucking the knee of the jumping leg may help....I'll try! thanks again!

jessster

Mar-15-08, 04:23 AM

i'm back!....so...i can say that i've landed the move...but my ass is about 1 inch from the ground because my head is still low i think...anyway i'm improving ...thankyou guys!

ops! i forgot! i have a vid..but is not one of the best and i slip at the end because there was a lot of mud....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fG34UHkW5Bw

Andy R

Mar-15-08, 08:06 AM

Nice attempt dude. The arm motion looks good. When most people first try these they throw there arms up like a front flip. Your doing it good tho. keep that arm motion. Your leg lift is good, but you aren't tucking as much. It looks like your trying to do a front aerial or free walk over. I tuck my jumping leg only so I can get as much lift as possible with my lift leg. Some people here will say to dip and get your chest low, but I try to keep my chest high. Keeping it low will get you a fast rotation, but you will land low. Also jump UP! Just experiment once you land the move and find out what works for you. You will land it soon for sure, and the variations are easy once you got the webster down.

Heres two of my websters. One from a front flip step out, and one from an axe kick.
http://www.gifninja.com/Workspace/d34face7-0803-4988-9baf-487c096854fa/output.gif

jessster

Apr-05-08, 03:10 AM

CodyLee1337

Apr-06-08, 02:00 PM

Purple ZoDz

Apr-06-08, 02:20 PM

Hi! I'm back again! so...now I can land the move....but the problem is the same....I'm fucking low!!!!...I'm trying to keep my chest higher...to dip more and push harder but I'm still low....maybe I need only practice...but if you guys can give me some more tips so I can get higher I would be glad...thanks!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tz_tbbNelNc

You are doing webster the way as i do. You have to think of it like a FHS. Your leggs shall go over your bakc if you know what i mean. Its all about arching have I geard. Reall wan't to learn this move properly myself.

jessster

Apr-06-08, 11:58 PM

DAMNIT STOP RUNNING INTO YOUR FUCKING WEBSTERS!

hmmmm.....are you telling me to do standing websters???I can't even do a good running webster...do you really think that I need to do them standing to land higher?

and to the guy above: yeah I know what you mean...but that's a ''front aerial'' or ''free walkover'', a webster variation....I've tryed them and they are harder then the normal webster (the one I do)...they are a different move....

drunk-monk

Apr-07-08, 01:20 AM

and to the guy above: yeah I know what you mean...but that's a ''front aerial'' or ''free walkover'', a webster variation....I've tryed them and they are harder then the normal webster (the one I do)...they are a different move....

just to clarify a little [to bitch, so to say...] a "front aerial" is an aerial that's been fucked with and is going 45°-20°... a front walkover with no hands is a completely straight going move [guess it's called a webster layout], where the legs go straight the whole time...

anyway, if you want a high webster
1. run, jog, 3 step, whatever... just gather momentum.
running makes you think you'll do it [generates confidence];
jogging makes you think you're doing something useful [generates little confidence],
but a 3step takes less time, less energy and more effective allover [you already have confidence, if you're doing this]

2. do the little hop thing [at a comfortable height. not too low, not too high, but more low than high] and kick your leg in FRONT of you. not under. if you kick it under, you go completely forwards and with unexperienced technique [meaning you don't stay in the air] - you go down...

now, we have two ways

3.1. dip. you come down fast [very low], but you have to come up even faster.
kick your leg up reeealy hard. the moment i actually started "kicking" [as in trying to break something] in aerial/webster moves - i added grace.
do whatever technique you want to do with your arms... i swing them like an aerial [shoulder height - front, down, back] but straighter and i keep going up until i tuck.
3.2. don't dip as much [almost at all], and emphasize on keeping your upper body upright. just force yourself not going down almost at all [you need strong legs and back muscles for this one thought...].
everything else stays the same.

5. JUMP. and i mean JUMP.! just because, you're in a freaky position doing complex movements [not really...] and most likely gonna land on yo face or ass, or ankles if you don't commit, that doesn't mean you don't have to JUMP!

6. along with your leg and arms going back and up, try bringing your ass up. this is where the staying-in-the-air magic! comes in...

7. tuck. try throwing your head in your chest and over. not your upper body, if you do that, you'll go ass-webster again... but just try to rotate with and around your head... this is a hard piece, but it is quite noticeable [you can feel it] and ads a hell lot to height and rotation.
and of course, the smaller and tighter the tuck, the less there is to rotate around the axis, so it's faster...

anyway. now just try to kick your leg a bit farther away from you [front of course] and try coming back up when you dip... this will already result in something useful. all of the other things are just to answer your questions about getting height... [man this is a long post]

CodyLee1337

Apr-07-08, 06:00 AM

Listen To Drunk-Monk FTW, Thank you for that good post!

Pate

Apr-16-08, 10:31 AM

What u mean with dip in this trick? And what is the best tip to remember when doing this?