Swapping from 3 to 6 meals a day. I have a few Questions.

[Mot1]

Hi guys.

Iv'e decided to experiment with wieght loss and ive decided to go with the 6 meals a day approach.

When I first started taking control of my diet, I weighed 74 kilos. By replacing 1 meal per day with a protein shake, eating more fruit and vegies, I have managed to get down to between 63 and 65 kilos.

Yet I am still unhappy with my weight.

Anyway, my goal is to reach 58 kilos. I am around 5"7 5"8. I know 58 kilos sounds very light (129 pounds for you non-metric people). But I am really after that last bit of performance (that extra inch of height in a jump, that extra half second in a freeze) I really want to know my limits and gain that mental discipline needed to control my weight.

Other reasons include learning to enjoy my food in different ways, rather then eating a lot and feeling bad about it.

My main problem with my current diet is I am now prone to binge eating, and its affecting my weight loss, I drop to 63 kilos after a few good days but then the hunger kicks in and im back up to 65-66. Repeat cycle.

Not cool!

Now I have done a fair amount of research, but I still have some questions regarding how I should go about it.

1) what exactly consists of 6 meals? is it 6 half sized meals plus snacks? or is it just 6 meals.

2) how big a meal should they be? I am thinking each one should probably not exceed 1000 kj (240 calories). That way 6 meals a day only adds up to 6000 kilojoules (what is reccomended for weight loss)

3)Should every meal contain substantial amounts of protein? Or do things like a cup of steamed vegetables count as a meal?

4)What time of day should I stop eating, considering the fact that I mostly train at night times, from 7 till 9 oclock.

Things to consider about me:

Im 5"8, fairly active. My training schedule

Break Dancing (2hrs) 3 days a week
Tricking (2hrs) 3 days a week
Strength training (1-2 hrs) 3 days a week

On top of this I do Chinups for fun 3 days a week, my goal is to be able to do 30. I am only at 14 haha.
Also I just started doing breaking footwork as a cardio workout, this goes for between 1 and 5 hours depending on how much I am feeling it, and I plan on doing this at least once a week.

I dont do any weights or cardio(besides dancing), and im not interested in "bulking", any strength gains that I get, I get from breaking.

Thanks for your time. (will post more questions If I think of them)

[Rahf]

Hi guys.

Iv'e decided to experiment with wieght loss and ive decided to go with the 6 meals a day approach.

When I first started taking control of my diet, I weighed 74 kilos. By replacing 1 meal per day with a protein shake, eating more fruit and vegies, I have managed to get down to between 63 and 65 kilos.

Yet I am still unhappy with my weight.

Anyway, my goal is to reach 58 kilos. I am around 5"7 5"8. I know 58 kilos sounds very light (129 pounds for you non-metric people). But I am really after that last bit of performance (that extra inch of height in a jump, that extra half second in a freeze) I really want to know my limits and gain that mental discipline needed to control my weight.

Other reasons include learning to enjoy my food in different ways, rather then eating a lot and feeling bad about it.

My main problem with my current diet is I am now prone to binge eating, and its affecting my weight loss, I drop to 63 kilos after a few good days but then the hunger kicks in and im back up to 65-66. Repeat cycle.

Not cool!

Now I have done a fair amount of research, but I still have some questions regarding how I should go about it.

1) what exactly consists of 6 meals? is it 6 half sized meals plus snacks? or is it just 6 meals.

2) how big a meal should they be? I am thinking each one should probably not exceed 1000 kj (240 calories). That way 6 meals a day only adds up to 6000 kilojoules (what is reccomended for weight loss)

3)Should every meal contain substantial amounts of protein? Or do things like a cup of steamed vegetables count as a meal?

4)What time of day should I stop eating, considering the fact that I mostly train at night times, from 7 till 9 oclock.

Things to consider about me:

Im 5"8, fairly active. My training schedule

Break Dancing (2hrs) 3 days a week
Tricking (2hrs) 3 days a week
Strength training (1-2 hrs) 3 days a week

On top of this I do Chinups for fun 3 days a week, my goal is to be able to do 30. I am only at 14 haha.
Also I just started doing breaking footwork as a cardio workout, this goes for between 1 and 5 hours depending on how much I am feeling it, and I plan on doing this at least once a week.

I dont do any weights or cardio(besides dancing), and im not interested in "bulking", any strength gains that I get, I get from breaking.

Thanks for your time. (will post more questions If I think of them)

1) Whatever you make it to be, a meal is food and nothing more. Typically a meal is a slightly larger portion of food.

2) As big as you want it to be, 240kcal is a very small number for a meal.

3) See question one.

4) Eat something after training, as long as it's not the middle of the night you should be fine.

To lose weight, you have to create a calorie deficit. However I see no point for you to do that, you're better off practicing for those gains.

[anfeyd]

Chances are that extra inch on your jump and second on your freeze will not come from losing more weight, but from gaining strength.

[Papa Lazarou]

What makes you think losing weight will help you hold a freeze longer?

Edit: meh, what anfeyd said.

[Mot1]

What makes you think losing weight will help you hold a freeze longer?

Edit: meh, what anfeyd said.

Not just any freeze, strength freezes which require a high strength to bodyweight ratio.

Don't question it.

Ive lost weight. I know it works with intense holds. I use the term "freeze", because its the only term trickers know about bboy poses.

And its more about that last 10 percent you know? Complete control of your body. Mind over matter. Being a real athlete.

About eating protein with every meal, what I meant was, due to the fact that I will have a calorie deficit, then there is the possibility of losing muscle mass. Even though I dont lift, I have pretty muscular upper body which i dont want to jeopardize. Does eating protein with each meal help to stabilize any muscle catabolization, or is it inevitable when your losing weight.

Thanks for the replies so far

[Papa Lazarou]

Don't question it.

Umm... why shouldn't I? Lifting would be a better way to get a high level of relative strength. Do you know the optimal weight for your height for the best strength to weight ratio? Are you doing strength exercise specific to the goal?

Anyway, if you want to do it just for the achievement of controlling your weight, then by all means go for it.

[Rahf]

Not just any freeze, strength freezes which require a high strength to bodyweight ratio.

Don't question it.

Ive lost weight. I know it works with intense holds. I use the term "freeze", because its the only term trickers know about bboy poses.

And its more about that last 10 percent you know? Complete control of your body. Mind over matter. Being a real athlete.

About eating protein with every meal, what I meant was, due to the fact that I will have a calorie deficit, then there is the possibility of losing muscle mass. Even though I dont lift, I have pretty muscular upper body which i dont want to jeopardize. Does eating protein with each meal help to stabilize any muscle catabolization, or is it inevitable when your losing weight.

Thanks for the replies so far

Going below 60kg would create what would be commonly known as "emaciation". If your overall strength can be reflected by the chin-ups at your current bodyweight then you are not at the point where dropping a few kilograms is the only way to increase performance. It might increase performance but at the same time you are setting yourself up for decreased energy levels and reduced stamina during your weight loss period.

Yes, chances are you will lose muscle mass although there shouldn't really be all that much to lose.

Choose a macronutrient source for every meal, spread them out evenly through the day. Eat abit more carbs after working out.

In any case you probably have your mind set on losing weight, people rarely listen to advice when it comes to those things. I do not recommend it.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Weight loss? You're taller than me & weigh less than me,yet...I'm Strong & lean? What body type are you?

[NightHunter]

Weight loss? You're taller than me & weigh less than me,yet...I'm Strong & lean? What body type are you?

It sounds like anorexic....

[rock_10]

If you want to look cool doing your bboy shit and tricking, you need to be muscular and shit.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

It sounds like anorexic....
I agree.:good:

[anfeyd]

Not just any freeze, strength freezes which require a high strength to bodyweight ratio.

Don't question it.

I will.

Lets say you weigh your pathetic 129 lbs. I'm betting you aren't strong. I know you do more static upper body holds so it is hard to quantify but look.

I weighed 180 whenever I first started lifting weights. I could squat in the ballpark of 150. Thats less than 1x bodyweight. Now I weigh 220, but I can squat almost 400 lbs. Do you see what i'm driving at? I gained weight and because i'm giving my body the nutrients and energy it needs I have a higher strength/bodyweight ratio.

You're not giving your body adequate energy = decreased performance.

[Lobo]

1) what exactly consists of 6 meals? is it 6 half sized meals plus snacks? or is it just 6 meals.
Just divide up your intake into six - doesn't have to necessarily be six though - the meals don't all have to be identical sizes, but huge disparities aren't very desirable either.

2) how big a meal should they be? I am thinking each one should probably not exceed 1000 kj (240 calories). That way 6 meals a day only adds up to 6000 kilojoules (what is reccomended for weight loss)
If you're positive 6000kJ is the appropriate amount you should be consuming, then yes, your meals should have an average calorie count of about 240Kcal.

3)Should every meal contain substantial amounts of protein? Or do things like a cup of steamed vegetables count as a meal?Yes to the former question, no to the latter. I'd eat protein* and fat** with every meal, and only eat carbohydrates - in concentrated form that is - when necessary (e.g. around times your activity levels are high). Eating vegetables and/or fruit with each meal is a sensible idea also, since that'll provide you with your micronutrients, fibre, should help keep you feeling sated, and are usually very low in calories (watch out for exemptions that aren't).

4)What time of day should I stop eating, considering the fact that I mostly train at night times, from 7 till 9 oclock.
Doesn't matter.

*A complete protein. You can also combine protein sources to provide as ideal a amino acid profile (see NutrionData.com or similar for the amino acid profiles of different foods).

**Try to balance your fats roughly equally between saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated. Try t maintain a rough ratio of 4:1 omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids.

[Lobo]

And yeah, if you're actually only doing this purely for aesthetic reasons then fine, but don't kid yourself that it'll improve your tricking performance any - it won't.

[Mot1]

Lol at everyone saying im weak for my weight.

I have a very specific body type already. with specific strengths and weaknesses.

Id like to see anyone here hold a straight hollowback two inches of the ground for 10 seconds! I bet half of the people here cant even do a press. Whereas I can do multiple pike presses with straight arms.

So yeah dont think just cos i dont lift im not strong.

And for your information, elite gymnasts of my height, weigh 65 kilos! A lot of you guys are more fat then you think.

Seeing as I am not as buff as an elite gymnast, I think around 58 kilos will be as lean as I can get.

And I only started doing chinups like 2 months ago. When you break you never do any "pulling" motions, I just started doing them for shits, it's not like I am proud of my 14 chinups lol. I know girls who can do more then that.

@ Aidentricks

I am a very slim natural bodytyple, slight shoulders, slim legs ect.

Thanks to everyone who posted a non-high horse reply.

[VerdinxJon]

1) Whatever you make it to be, a meal is food and nothing more. Typically a meal is a slightly larger portion of food.

2) As big as you want it to be, 240kcal is a very small number for a meal.

3) See question one.

4) Eat something after training, as long as it's not the middle of the night you should be fine.

To lose weight, you have to create a calorie deficit. However I see no point for you to do that, you're better off practicing for those gains.

problem I workout at like 1 or 2 am and eat after I'm done. I can work out during the day any suggestions.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Lol at everyone saying im weak for my weight.

I have a very specific body type already. with specific strengths and weaknesses.

Id like to see anyone here hold a straight hollowback two inches of the ground for 10 seconds! I bet half of the people here cant even do a press. Whereas I can do multiple pike presses with straight arms.

So yeah dont think just cos i dont lift im not strong.

And for your information, elite gymnasts of my height, weigh 65 kilos! A lot of you guys are more fat then you think.

Seeing as I am not as buff as an elite gymnast, I think around 58 kilos will be as lean as I can get.

And I only started doing chinups like 2 months ago. When you break you never do any "pulling" motions, I just started doing them for shits, it's not like I am proud of my 14 chinups lol. I know girls who can do more then that.

@ Aidentricks
You wrote all of that for me?:smile::tongue::cool:Thank you.

Pfftt!...Oooh "hollowback two inches of the ground for 10 seconds!" MEH!
Just sit down,calm down & stop thinking about loosing weight & go and get BUFFSSSS!:dumbell:

Lol at everyone saying im weak for my weight.

I have a very specific body type already. with specific strengths and weaknesses.

Haha!:wink:
-Ecto
-Endo
-Meso
Pick one.

[compleks]

Have you got any videos of you breaking?

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Put on the spotlight here.:time::bomb:

[Mot1]

No I dont have any videos.

But i hardly see what it has to do with weight loss.

I can see this was a pointless activity. Close thread if you want.

To compleks. Your from melbourne? You break much or just trick?

[compleks]

I know it has nothing to do with weight loss, I was just curious. I wasn't having a go at you either, I was genuinely interested to see what you could do.

Don't take these comments to heart. As blunt as they are, everyone here is actually trying to look out for you and see that you do the right thing.

Good luck mate.

Ps. I'm from Melbourne, but I don't break or trick.

[Lobo]

everyone here is actually trying to look out for you and see that you do the right thing.
Absolute shite.

[compleks]

Perhaps. But you were probably the most helpful.

I guess people may not really give a shit, but they have atleast taken some time to give the right advice.

[Mot1]

Seeing as your such a nice guy, I will record some stuff for you.

Im gonna post back in this thread after a month or two on a 6 meal diet. I will see how everything works out for me. I will also post my weight loss (or gain if stuff goes shit) and strength gains.

Thanks for the help ... I think..

[compleks]

Cool.

Anyway, the main point people were trying to make is that loosing a few kgs probably won't help to noticeably increase your performance. You would probably be better off just eating a good healthy diet and training hard. Who knows, you might loose the weight anyway.
That said, I understand that you wanting to lose weight is a mental issue/challenge more than anything else. I know what it's like to struggle with weight fluctuations. Just be sure that you stop and think about why you really want to drop the weight, and that you're doing it for the right reasons.

If you have any questions, make sure you ask. This forum can be full of pricks at times, but you will get answers.

[Mot1]

Hey man.

I decided you guys were right. I just couldnt sustain training with that little food. I am eating closer to 10000 Kjs a day and not gaining weight so I guess I will aim for more strength instead of less fat. I feel much better anyway now and Im not overeating.

Here is a little video I promised.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBmJVtr4luk

Its only one combo but its the only thing I have on my computer worth showing. I hit a 20+ rotation headspin today so I will get some footage of that when I can do it consistantly.

I will post again in this thread if eating 6 meals actually changes my body. So far its the same but i just feel better.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

YAYS!!!

[dirtysouth07]

look at darkness lol, he's not gigantic but he's one swull dude

[compacttricks]

how do you afford to have 6 meals a day!

[Mot1]

darkness is like an arm wrestling champ in korea. So that explains his big ass forearms.