The "perfect" combo

[*<User Name]

We all know that doing a combo with 2 moves should go from skill level low to high e.g. Btwist s/t Boxcutter, this is a show of asthetic enjoyment, like watching a movie: It starts off fast (Hyperhook), then the story unfolds (c/t scoot), then adds a twist to the plot (s/t arashi swipe), then the climax with unexpected surprise (s/t CA lvl 4). So if you want a good looking combo think of it like a story unfolding.

High to low usually looks a bit silly e.g. Boxcutter c/t Raiz, we want to get excited at the end, not the beginning, who wants to watch the movie where anything worth watching happens in the 1st minute.

I'm not saying that this technically applies to all combos, check out Prodigy doing Snapuswipe > Front tuck, it works by showing something unexpected and arkward coming from something that has a completely different motion. Here there's a complex sideways and horizontal (or past) kick > twist move to a simple front move. It's like sprinting forwards then going at a perfectly sideways at a 90 degree angle and continuing at the same speed (like the motorbikes in Tron). This is a show of versitility rather than asthetics.

Again there are more exceptions such as double cork s/t cork, it's showing something swung through from something stupidly hard to swing through from. These are a show of skill rather than asthetics.

To me, a story that wows me (but not too much) at the beginning, fills out with some basic plot line, then twists that into something peculiar then goes insane and makes me forget why my life is shit is a combo worth watching.

Like most films the plot trys to confuse you with fakes and suspense, when i see Sesshoumaru mixing hooks and scoots with slides and other floor moves it's crazy, it's like WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO THROW THE TRICK! He just keeps teasing it's awesome.

This aint just about samplers this is about all combos, what other reason is there to do a combo if not to impress someone watching (or yourself), make it worth watching, it's not just about being original, it's about thinking about it properly.

Don't end on an anti climax, if you're comboing well don't just add a cart > front to the end of it just to make it carry on, it makes it play out all crappy.



Fake edit: Spelling and gramatical errors are down to it being very dark in here.

[shengoikee]

i always prefer combos that are super dynamic and flowy to those that are confined or choppy. this is usually the case with various misslegs and whatnot. that's just me though, i can still appreciate things for what they are based on quality.

[Urahara]

i think boxcutter c/t raiz would be kinda cool, the raiz would have to be exeptionaly clean through

good read

[*<User Name]

i think boxcutter c/t raiz would be kinda cool, the raiz would have to be exeptionaly clean through

good read

Thinking about it it's a pretty bad example, a better one would be Jacknife > 540.

I'd love to see a clean Boxcutter c/t Parafuso.

[shengoikee]

yeah tim, i think sometimes "high vs low" difficulty could be subjective.

there's things i like to call "advanced basics" where someone does something to such a standard that it's no longer basic haha.. eg juji's pumped cheat720 landing on both feet or a flashkick with flawless extension landing completely bolt upright.

with regard to combos you might get away with a technically low level move in exchange for a technically high level move

[*<User Name]

Ah true

[JiayoJames]

what is c/t?

[Buku]

what is c/t?

i was so about to ask that

[Hadyn]

carry thru

[Kyle McLean]

carry thru

same as a wrap through...i think.

[Urahara]

yeah tim, i think sometimes "high vs low" difficulty could be subjective.

there's things i like to call "advanced basics" where someone does something to such a standard that it's no longer basic haha.. eg juji's pumped cheat720 landing on both feet or a flashkick with flawless extension landing completely bolt upright.

with regard to combos you might get away with a technically low level move in exchange for a technically high level move

i was going to say the same thing, but much less eloquently, instead of saying advanced basics, i was going to say "super clean easy tricks"

and instead of providing examples like jujis cheat 7 or a good flash, i was gonna say " like a really good tornado"

[Kyle McLean]

oh zach you crack me up

[JiayoJames]

I still don't understand... what exactly do you do? I mean in what way would a hyperhook c/t scoot be different from a normal hyperhook - scoot?

[Kyle McLean]

I still don't understand... what exactly do you do? I mean in what way would a hyperhook c/t scoot be different from a normal hyperhook - scoot?

there is no difference

the c/t just helps clarrify

thats a bad example a better one is like jacknife c/t jacknife. if i just say jacknife>jacknife you would probably think that a step is inbetween the the two tricks while with the c/t you know that there is no step.

[Reim]

Holy shit, username posted something worth reading.

[Urahara]

Holy shit, username posted something worth reading.

i laughed out loud when i read this

[JiayoJames]

there is no difference

the c/t just helps clarrify

thats a bad example a better one is like jacknife c/t jacknife. if i just say jacknife>jacknife you would probably think that a step is inbetween the the two tricks while with the c/t you know that there is no step.

Ah ok I understand now. Thanks :)

[Kyle McLean]

omg i was helpfull for once!!!!!

[Skippy]

I remember seeing a kicking combo by mike maguire and I have so far seen it as my ideal kicking combo, it is one that goes up in levels of difficulty, I actually have it on my laptop now

He done: Hook > 3 hit narabong > cheat 900 > hook > cheat 1080

I'm sure that was it anyway, I might be a little wrong about the narabong, but seriously it was intense and looked so hardcore how he busted out the last spin so quickly on the cheat 1080.

I don't think I have an 'ideal' combo in my mind because there could always be someone who could push it that bit further or do something I never even expected and be blown away.

Like when jono done his scoot > one handed back handspring s/t double full. I didn't think for one second his scoot was gonna go to a one handed backhandspring, and there was no way I thought he was gonna swing such a perfect double full out of it.

[Urahara]

there is no difference

the c/t just helps clarrify

thats a bad example a better one is like jacknife c/t jacknife. if i just say jacknife>jacknife you would probably think that a step is inbetween the the two tricks while with the c/t you know that there is no step.

i disagree

some people put their foot down on scoots, carrythrough is when the foor misses the ground,

carry through, i think its about the 4rd combo in here, bkick c/t scoot pop 360
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxo2_BSEMdA

in this one david yoo clearly touchs his left foot after the hook
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_jrudOvGXo&feature=related
when starting from a scoot most people (myself included) start with both feet on the ground, in sessh ca lv4 vid(on the frist videos page atm) he starts by swing in to a c/t scoot

it like hook>raiz and hook c/t raiz

thats my opinion at least

where is dan perez when you need him

[WilliamT]

I consider a carry through a transition where momentum is transfered like a s/t but not as direct/decisive.

although it hardly matters just do tricks ppl.

[*<User Name]

carry thru

same as a wrap through...i think.
Nah, wrap thru is like swinging thru into a kick vertically rather than into a twist horizontally or completely upside down (swinging into oneself) whereas carry thru is an outside wrap, so 900 w/t bs 1260 and Jacknife c/t Jacknife

[Asura]

...It's like sprinting forwards then going at a perfectly sideways at a 90 degree angle and continuing at the same speed (like the motorbikes in Tron). This is a show of versitility rather than asthetics...

Hahaha, Tron :tongue:

I pretty much agree with your theory/argument. I remember when Hans used to do this one combo...I can't remember what it was; but he would end it with a Raiz [which is something Hans is not good at]. Shit would kill me :ogre:

[*<User Name]

I don't like the way Hans ended his Grasshopper Bilang sampler with the worst s/t Gainerfull / Cork attempt ever, i love that sampler apart from that bit :eh:

[Dave]

Continuity means more to me than anything else in combos.

[Inkrepid]

C900 dub > Snapuswipe > 1440

He who lands this becomes kicking god forever.

[*<User Name]

I'd rather see a h1260 than a 1440, keep it all inside

[Skippy]

An inside kick done to a high degree is much more impressive than an outside kick done to a high degree in my own opinion. Like I think a realllllly good cheat 9 is more impressive than a good cheat 10

[Dave]

That's just subjective.. for me I prefer outwards kicks over inwards, but hypered inwards over hypered outwards [looks wise].

[Skippy]

It's mainly for originality sake I think =\ I see less people doing really good inside kicks than really good outside kicks except with 540 kicks.

[Inkrepid]

Agreed, a h1260 would probably look better, however try to visualize this with me for a second... You mentioned jujis c720s landing on both feet, and how they land with that triumphant pow that just oozes sex. If you could get a 1440 to land like that, both feet same time just BAM in your face, it would be so sexy.

[Dave]

Dude, no chance.

[Urahara]

i like hypered outside kicks more than hypered inside kicks, the swing through, no step transitions in to other kicks, cheat or pop, and the fact that they are done much less often, more people do hyper 9 than hyper 7s

[Urahara]

i disagree with everyones opinion in this thread

[Urahara]

unless, as his avatar suggests, willT likes flcl, then i agree with him

[Skilzat85X]

Agreed, a h1260 would probably look better, however try to visualize this with me for a second... You mentioned jujis c720s landing on both feet, and how they land with that triumphant pow that just oozes sex. If you could get a 1440 to land like that, both feet same time just BAM in your face, it would be so sexy.

It's not just that Juji's lands on two feet...it's that his kick completes a full and complete arch up above and around his head so fast that it returns back to the stance in enough time to land on two feet by itself.
C900 dub > Snapuswipe > 1440

He who lands this becomes kicking god forever.
I think you mean vertical twisting/horizontal twisting/general goodness god.
Being able to do an excellent outside kick doesn't mean you can spin the 1440's rotation worth crap haha.

[Urahara]

i just got combo breackered :(

jujis c7 is impressive because it has POWER

some thing rarely seen in kick tricks, some people have power, other have Power

but few have POWER

[WilliamT]

unless, as his avatar suggests, willT likes flcl, then i agree with him

haha yes!

[bobcheese]

i just got combo breackered :(

jujis c7 is impressive because it has POWER

some thing rarely seen in kick tricks, some people have power, other have Power

but few have POWER

Yeah power is one of the key elements that make a kick look good in my opinion.

[Tamonten]

Much of going from a harder trick to an easier one in terms of aesthetics is largely down to how awkward or difficult the transition is. As Tim rightly mentioned, a Snapu_fronttuck would look very impressive because to be able to link the front flip from the landing on a snapuswipe requires expert control and confidence in the former(in this case harder) trick.

Regarding the Boxcutter_c/t_Raiz, ways to make it look impressive would- obviously- make the Raiz look high, clean and floaty in form to near match the boxcutter's difficulty. Alternatively, a different transition could be made e.g. Boxcutter_msl_Raiz

Trick combo transitions are fun things to play with. Props to JiayoChris with Scoot_msl_DubBtwist :tongue:

[jiayo-chris]

I pretty much agree with tim.

[Kyle McLean]

I'd rather see a h1260 than a 1440, keep it all inside

how would you like to see both? at the same time? ;)

[Kyle McLean]

i like hypered outside kicks more than hypered inside kicks, the swing through, no step transitions in to other kicks, cheat or pop, and the fact that they are done much less often, more people do hyper 9 than hyper 7s

i agree with this. h720 looks nicer then h900 but i think the were referring to non hypered outside like a good h900 looks nicer then 1080 simply because most ppl just toss there foot out for the 10 instead of kicking and inorder to h900 you need to kick. i think.

[Snoski]

I thought of this a while back and the best 2-trick combo I came up with that would show both aesthetics and versatility/skill at the same time, would be
hypertwist-GMS
(and not any kind of hypertwist, a hypertwist & 540 kick hybrid where the hypered leg kicks like in 540 kick. And the gms would be done like in Devon I.A. 07 at 1:51 (GMS with a "split-kick" midair).
It contains a kick (the hypertwist 540 kick hybrid), a versatile comboing from an akward position (htwist to gms transition), it shows flexibility (the splitkick in midair of the gms), it has both a horizontal and an invert trick and it also contains quite contrasted tricks when it comes to pace (the fast, snappy hypertwist 540 and the high, floaty gms).
But that's just my opinion :punched:

[KJER]

the perfect frikkin combo is
a combo where i dont even expect all them moves / transitions comin from all directions
fuck all them super moves in em...if u keep it simple but unpredictable
i think THAT is the perfect combo...

[Gravityjay]

boxcutter c/t raiz would be epic. as soon as I learn to boxcutter I'm doing that shit!

I landed hyperhook c/t raiz with a hop once when I was doing hyperhooks all the time. but after the one that I landed I ate floor every time or almost broke my ankle on the hyper hook...

I was inspired by Luu doing hyperhook c/t raiz swing boxcutter in the first MD gathering...

[jiayo-chris]

Oh sick Jay! I didn't know you had done that! Also are you coming to gym this week or is your ankle still death?

[Gravityjay]

I will be there! I did it when I was training with other jamie all the time a good couple of years ago now

[jiayo-chris]

Oh sick, i knew you used to have a killer hyper hook! And glad to hear you will be at gym :smile:, see you there!