Does it look ready for hypertwist?

[Casland]

These are my b-twists. Any advice I could have to improve them would be awesome. The last one is a 540 kick that I started out thinking jacknife, then forgot about it till after I landed and threw in sad little kick. Haha. You think I can twirl around to a hypertwist? Or do they need more work?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ewU3eSrNdM

[Skippy]

Try one and see how it goes.

[Siphin]

the 2nd one deffinatly

[Casland]

Yeah, the first one was a standing b-twist. And the second I did the little setup thingy. I dunno...for hypertwists do you just wrap harder and hope, or is there some tip I could get?

[Mr.Parafuso]

I think you can..I BELIEVE!

[Siphin]

i just got my b-twist.. but.. the same day i landed 3 hypertwists.. i just bent my left leg before i landed and pulled my right down..

[Scooba Dave]

rip for a double, unless you're a fast twister, you may not land it, seeing as you don't go very high after your dip, look at Dave C's btwist tut.

[Casland]

Ok, I just went outside and tried hypers and what happens is I do the butterfly twist, but when I start the next half rotation I start to level out and I end up landing on my launching leg, but facing backwards. If you look at my b-twists my launching leg tends to stay kind of perpendicular to my other leg, is this the issue do you think? Maybe if I put my legs together when I wrap I will be able to stay horizontal for the last half?

[Swartz]

Yeah, the first one was a standing b-twist. And the second I did the little setup thingy. I dunno...for hypertwists do you just wrap harder and hope, or is there some tip I could get?

Mostly just keep wrapping. Think about spotting the direction you came from rather than the ground. Should force you to spin more. Try kicking the leg down and tucking the back one in like a 540. Just little things that might help. It's mostly just about spinning more and catching yourself with the other leg though.

[Mr.Parafuso]

hmm..the 540 thing seems like it would work..thanks Swartz *high fives*!

[Skilzat85X]

You probably can, however:

Do NOT twist as soon as you are now. And jump much more than you are now. In B-twists you can twist while coming right off the ground and spin around which makes for a good swing through, but if you do that for a Hypertwist, well think about it. It makes for a good swing through because your normal b-twist landing leg quickly shoots over to the ground. So if you wanna hyper it, you want to avoid that, very much so.

So make sure when you takeoff you power the jump pretty fast, and then wait a split second longer to twist, and tada it's easy as pie. Well not THAT easy at first but it becomes quite possible.

[Casland]

I see what you are saying. So just think "Massive butterfly kick", and then wait and twist like a...twisty thing?

[Skilzat85X]

Yea...that's actually how I did my easiest ones unintentionally lol.

One thing that may also help when first learning is chambering the hyper leg that you want to land on, that's what helped me learn it, although I don't do that much anymore.

[Scooba Dave]

the point of hyper twist isn't to be able to 540 out of it to land it, you need to get used to ripping for double and comming out of it

*that's why it helps you get double btwists*

instead of doing only 360 then forcing that leg over, do like 540( degrees ) and land on the leg.


granted u wanna hyper hook, learn bkick hook. get those nice, then just combine the two.

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[Dave]

I think btwist-rounds would help a lot too. I'm learning hyper-twists too, and I had no chance then I learned twist-rounds now I feel I have heaps more control and should have them pretty soon. Getting used to the extra rotation is :agony:

[Scooba Dave]

I think btwist-rounds would help a lot too. I'm learning hyper-twists too, and I had no chance then I learned twist-rounds now I feel I have heaps more control and should have them pretty soon. Getting used to the extra rotation is :agony:

p.s btwist round is better for btwist s/t not really hypertwist, i dont see the connection.

[Casland]

Alright, the gym is open tonight, so I am going to try out everything everyone has told me. Whether I get em, or fail I'll record it so that I can get some advice! Thanks for you help.

[Skilzat85X]

granted u wanna hyper hook, learn bkick hook. get those nice, then just combine the two.

To be totally honest, B-Kick hooks help hyperhooks about as much as front flips help hyperhooks, hehe.

Massively different mechanics, the only similarity is the setup, and part of the takeoff.

[Dave]

p.s btwist round is better for btwist s/t not really hypertwist, i dont see the connection.

Control and wrapping harder. I could btwist swingthrough way before I could twist-round, I actually landed my first ever btwist like that [as in btwist, land on one leg and swing my other leg up and around].

If hypertwist is like btwist+540, then twist-round is like btwist+tornado so it makes sense that a twist-round would help you out a lot.

[Swartz]

Just ignore my advice. I learned them standing back in the day but nowadays I can't do a normal one for shit.

[Anima]

Fuck yeah ! Go and do one now.

[Scooba Dave]

Control and wrapping harder. I could btwist swingthrough way before I could twist-round, I actually landed my first ever btwist like that [as in btwist, land on one leg and swing my other leg up and around].

If hypertwist is like btwist+540, then twist-round is like btwist+tornado so it makes sense that a twist-round would help you out a lot.

ok think of it like this, hyper hook isnt like a 540 haha its like a cheat 720,
when doing a cheat 720 kick, do you FORCE that leg down then hook with your other leg? no. that's like a btwst-swipe knife, a different move.

and comparing btwist round ( pre-req for s/t ) to btwist 540 ( pre req for hyper twist, for some people) doesn't make any sense. in my mind atleast. i aint trying to argue against it cuz thigns work for different people ahaha, but this debate is healthy for us both.

p.s skilzat, btwist hook helps, just like cheat 360 helps for c7's...

it's my opinion, and i was able to learn hyper hook based on learning bkick hooks, we're all different :p

atleast im making an effort and giving him a pre-req to help learn hh ritee??? :p.

[Dave]

ok think of it like this, hyper hook isnt like a 540 haha its like a cheat 720,
when doing a cheat 720 kick, do you FORCE that leg down then hook with your other leg? no. that's like a btwst-swipe knife, a different move.
I've never said anything about hyperhooks in this thread.


and comparing btwist round ( pre-req for s/t ) to btwist 540 ( pre req for hyper twist, for some people) doesn't make any sense. in my mind atleast. i aint trying to argue against it cuz thigns work for different people ahaha, but this debate is healthy for us both.
I never claimed those moves we pre-req's for what you say and never made such a comparison.


it's my opinion, and i was able to learn hyper hook based on learning bkick hooks, we're all different :p

atleast im making an effort and giving him a pre-req to help learn hh ritee??? :p.

Yeah but the thing is, if you keep drilling b -kick hooks it isn't exactly going to help you with acquiring the twist, timing/knowing when to open for the kick/etc for a hyper hook. It will however help you with hooking out of a b-kick [non-twisting move] which is a logical thing to learn if you want to be well rounded and progress fluently but in no way really associated with hooking out of a twisting moves.




You are talking about some sort of "healthy arguing" when it was never about arguing, it was about helping the OP and you either mis-read or misunderstood most of what I said anyway :eh:.

[Skilzat85X]

p.s skilzat, btwist hook helps, just like cheat 360 helps for c7's...


Since when lol?

All you need to do is practice spinning hooks and tada, there's all the hook you need.

Everything else, comes from having a good hypertwist.

[Scooba Dave]

ok im wrong about everything :D

[Skilzat85X]

Lies! Do not so quickly abandon your beliefs! Hold strong! HOLD STRONG!


Seriously though, I'm no divine know-it-all, I don't know the perfect way to do every single dang thing. Just take what I say into consideration, and use it with your current knowledge. Something like that.

[Scooba Dave]

Lies! Do not so quickly abandon your beliefs! Hold strong! HOLD STRONG!


Seriously though, I'm no divine know-it-all, I don't know the perfect way to do every single dang thing. Just take what I say into consideration, and use it with your current knowledge. Something like that.

my beliefs is that hyper btwist is kind of a useless move, only if used as a pre-req for hh, then its cool, i thought this was a hh thread, or atleast give him a few helpful tips when learning hh ( which most people go on to do after getting hyper btwist )

just trying to correct the fact that if you want a good hh u shouldnt be 540-ing out of a btwist. isn't true to the move.

[Skilzat85X]

my beliefs is that hyper btwist is kind of a useless move, only if used as a pre-req for hh, then its cool, i thought this was a hh thread, or atleast give him a few helpful tips when learning hh ( which most people go on to do after getting hyper btwist )

just trying to correct the fact that if you want a good hh u shouldnt be 540-ing out of a btwist. isn't true to the move.
Yea to be honest I find hypertwist sorta useless too. As you said only moving into hyper hook, as well as the occasional combo.

[Scooba Dave]

Yea to be honest I find hypertwist sorta useless too. As you said only moving into hyper hook, as well as the occasional combo.

which in most cases is like hyper btwist > btwist lol