running and puking

[My_Chemical_Ham]

I don't run very often but i just recently began again. I don't remember ever having this problem when i did run when i was younger.

when i run i feel fine, but when i'm almost done i am exhausted and feel like i'm on the edge of puking.

Does anyone else get this?I mix long jogging sessions with interval training on different days.In the end i feel the same way after.

I think it could be because i drink a little too much water before running, but does anyone else have this problem? I eat a few hours before a run, or sometimes before, but i still feel like i'm about to purge.

[Adam Ross]

I get this actually.
Its horrid, run 5k and im ready to either collapse or throw up.
I guess its a side effect of not being fit enough.
I get the same feeling after a straight 15/20minute row on a rowing machine at a high traction level or whatever rowing machines are set at..

[NightHunter]

It's fine, keep training.

[chicanerous]

If you feel nauseous, have a few grams of dextrose.

[Honken]

Sniff some cocain too. No but man I used to chew those dextrose tablets in school like crazy. It's a short term solution to boring classes :good:.

[Versus]

If I don't throw up after a run, I know I didn't run fast or far enough.

[chicanerous]

If you throw up after a run, you know you needed some dextrose!

DEXTROSE

[Ashtar]

I get that feeling too when I drink 8 cups of coffee and then sprint immediately after.

[dystheria]

two words, Cross Country. It's the military method but I honestly can't fault it.

To begin with I'd run 5k or more and feel like vomiting all over myself and collapsing in a heap.
After a year of regular, long range, varied terrain jogging and running, I stopped becoming exhausted unless I was sprinting as hard as I could for as far as I could.

Now I go rock climbing and collapse in a heap and vomit on myself after 100 feet at my quickest pace :wicked:

[Shaedar]

I have to disagree, dystheria.
Running cross country is perfect, but I think you're wrong on pace. Running to failure most likely does more harm than good. Your average heart rate throughout the day is ranging from 60-100 (sitting - walking, but depends on person) and when running to the max around 190-210 (maybe even more, again depends on person, but it's more or less around here). One day you decide you'll start running and you go out and blast yourself to oblivion. Running like this everyday is mega stressful for your body and cardiovascular system, as it can't adapt quick enough. It catches up after time, but untill then you're already burned out and damage is done. You lose your chance to develop your full potential because you we're pushing yourself too hard. Imagine doing deadlifts or squats with utterly wrong technique and your max weight. One day your spline will just pop out and you won't be able to lift more than 30% of your max.
However most damage can be restored with proper training, but it takes time.

To avoid this, you start off slow. This is called base training. You are running for an hour, on max HR (heart rate) of 150 beats. You're slow, your technique sucks and you cover a pittyful distance. Your not really tired, although running for an hour. You're doing this for 2 weeks, 6 days/week. Despite the same HR you're gaining distance and what is more, you're less and less tired.
Now you raise your max HR up to 160. And then you run for longer time on that HR. Your technique is getting better, because you have enough energy to actually concentrate on it, not only on pushing yourself to and over the edge. A month since you began running and you're already covering up to 13 km within an hour, without being totally destroyed.
You've established something to begin with and now you can start doing sprints and intervals for better response, take off and acceleration. You keep on increasing your HR and you start developing some speed. After 6 months you can run on 180 with ease. No vomiting and agony, you feel great and your body is just fine.

Pushing yourself isn't always the best. Running after all greatly depends on heart and lungs, something I wouldn't go mayhem on. Except if you're being chased by a pack of wolves, but that is not the case. Mind your knees also.

This is how much I've learned since my begining and if something is wrong, please correct me.

[chicanerous]

In high school, I ran cross country. It was a couple miles warm-up and cool down and then sprint workouts except for Wednesday:

Monday -- 800's and 1600's
Tuesday -- 200's
Wednesday -- long run and cross train
Thursday -- 400's
Friday -- 800's ("starts")
Saturday -- 5k race
Sunday -- rest

We trained everything except for the 200's on hilly terrain. Over the ten week season, for runners at my level (e.g. the worst on the team :good:), we'd start around 30 miles per week and push it to about 45 by the end. Then, we'd taper for the bonus round. We were expected to run at least 300 miles over the summer in preparation for the fall season. The best runners ran a lot more and they also received a high volume of work in season.

Just gradually increasing heart rate from session to session or in blocks is probably the lamest / least efficient way to improve your cardiovascular fitness and, especially, to decrease your middle distance times (5-10k).

[Shaedar]

Interesting... maybe I should fire my coach after all.

[dystheria]

I'm certainly not telling My_Chemical_Ham to run till their muscles burn and they vomit on themself every time until they becomes stronger. Not at all. In my own personal experience however I've found that trekking cross country several times a week at a varied intensity for a year solid has done wonders for my resting and active heartrate.

Longterm injuries ARE all too common with long distance running though, particularly on hard terrain, the knee joints just don't take well to having an entire human pound on them solidly for several hours, so the high intensity cardio is always going to need to be leveled out with some less intense running and on occassion no running at all.
I've found the biggest leap in my cardio came from rockclimbing. An active stint against gravity using my entire body for even a period of 15-20 minutes does wonders to send your heartrate to it's top and leave you feeling exercised to satisfaction (I quite enjoy the burning feeling of your muscles craving sugar like crackaddicts.)

All in all though, chicanerous is giving the best advice.

Get some dextrose pills and continue to do regular intense cardio 2-3 times a week.

[Ashtar]

Dys, the legs are constantly leaving the ground, you're getting brief stints of traction on your knee every time your hip flexors lift it off, so it is not like continual. There is basically a sort of oscillation effect you get on the joints from running.

I wonder how it compares to those poor British soldiers who have to stand unmoving for hours on end at attention.