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shengoikee
Apr-10-08, 03:22 PM
if anyone can help me out with these that'd be awesome. i keep doing strange things with my leading leg. it just doesn't wanna go upppp. :agony: works a lil better in the gym which is strange.

sorry about the change in angle.

http://www.divshare.com/download/4220704-429

*Dark Twista*
Apr-10-08, 03:40 PM
They both look good to me. I would say open your legs more on the raiz and maybe try and invert more when you take of from the sideswipe?

I could be speaking non sense on this. I will see what other people say.

shengoikee
Apr-10-08, 03:43 PM
yeah i basically wanna invert more haha... i just can't :sad:

my hips don't wanna square up most of the time hmm

*Dark Twista*
Apr-10-08, 03:44 PM
I find that inverting more just takes looking up and throwing arms.. :juji:

shengoikee
Apr-10-08, 03:46 PM
ahhhh i'll try the arm throwing thanks =)

and i guess i could always squeeze my spine harder

$hifty
Apr-10-08, 03:51 PM
HALLO DAVE!! I haven't seen you ina while man,
Ive ripped ligaments in both ankles, yay...i will get round to posting footage some time

I have no helpful input at all but that second sidswipe was peachy. good stuff

k-slash
Apr-10-08, 03:57 PM
Sorry I don`t have any tips, these aren`t something I do well in. I jsut wanted to say they are looking sexy already tho man. Sideswipes are so hot.

Nice hair too hah.

Shen footage YES!

$hifty
Apr-10-08, 03:58 PM
yes +1 cool hair

breykdown
Apr-10-08, 04:00 PM
it looks like you do them like a laid back tornado. im not really a fan of doing it that way, i think the traditional compasso/gumbi type raiz looks best. its really hard to explain, but when i do my raiz's i think of doing a really fierce hook kick, then jumping and turning over. for getting inverted, it really helps to spot your landing point on the ground the whole time. i cant tell if you were doing that cause i cant see your head

here are some of mine, the first ones not very good but the rest of them are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfhMQp-eimw

Nick Fail
Apr-10-08, 04:02 PM
Mr Hill....we meet again....

I'll check the video when i get home from work but i'd be glad to help you out. I love both of these moves. get on aim in like 2 hours and we'll fix these problems you having papi

shengoikee
Apr-10-08, 04:06 PM
ahhh thanks guys <3 i forget people havn't seen my hair that colour. my parents were like "WHAT THA FUCK"

hahaha
HALLO DAVE!! I haven't seen you ina while man,
Ive ripped ligaments in both ankles, yay...i will get round to posting footage some time

I have no helpful input at all but that second sidswipe was peachy. good stuff
aaaaaahhhh i heard about your ankles man and it made me so sad :agony: make sure you hit the rehab hard man. think of it as "time off", don't let it get you down too much. sounded aweful though, hope you recover soon!
it looks like you do them like a laid back tornado. im not really a fan of doing it that way, i think the traditional compasso/gumbi type raiz looks best. its really hard to explain, but when i do my raiz's i think of doing a really fierce hook kick, then jumping and turning over. for getting inverted, it really helps to spot your landing point on the ground the whole time. i cant tell if you were doing that cause i cant see your head

here are some of mine, the first ones not very good but the rest of them are

ahhh coool i wasn't sure if the version i'm doing is in any way similar to the compasso version. i used to do the no handed gumbi thing on my other side actually haha. thanks for the tips though, i'll see if trying anything compasso-like will help. =)

shengoikee
Apr-10-08, 04:08 PM
Mr Hill....we meet again....

I'll check the video when i get home from work but i'd be glad to help you out. I love both of these moves. get on aim in like 2 hours and we'll fix these problems you having papi

ahaha ohh man it'll be 2am :agony:

freakin time zones *shakes fist*

i'll make it up to you with more footage when i eventually catch you on AIM ahaha

Nick Fail
Apr-10-08, 04:13 PM
well, im gonna be with papito graham all weekend, its my last night as a hurricane virgin. so im gonna take advantage of it and sleep alot before the weekend party begins friday afternoon. We can find a way to make your raiz's work, if i can raiz, you can double raiz, thats how much better than me you are-two raiz's one jump....um....<3

tigtricker
Apr-11-08, 01:05 AM
Dave! Not like i'm even this good at teh raizes, but mine were similar when CA was teaching them at Germany, and it helped me get the affect i think your after by trying to see the floor as soon/hard as you can, but like look for it over your head. Haha sorry for the worst advice ever.

Skilzat85X
Apr-11-08, 01:23 AM
OMG THE HAIR! THE HAAAAAAAIR! THE HAAAAAAAAIR!


At any rate, and hopefully someone else experienced will back me up on this point, but you're treating it too much like a side to side move (Tornado, 540, Cheat Kicks etc) and less like a going backwards, or inverted move (Flash Kick, Whip Back, Gainer, etc). Although it's possible to do a good Raiz without thinking of it like the latter (because sometimes you do it without even knowing), sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes for me my variations would become uninverted because I was still just trying to turn over side to side like a 540.

However, these moves are truly flips mixed with kicks. May be hard to believe, but it's da truf! This is where Sessh's (which I finally understand now) "cheating into a gainer" mentality comes into play. Instead of trying to do the side to side cheat-like Raiz or whatever variations, you treat it like you're flipping in the direction you're going. Like an Aerial, but higher, with flatspin, and more jello-like.
Instead of trying to turn sideways into the trick, step into the direction you're going (like you do now). Instead, arch back and pull up like you would for say, a Flash Kick, or Gainer Flash, or Gainer Switch.

Sorta hard to explain, but ok. When you're in the stance before setup, you're sorta facing towards where your target would be for a 540. When you turn for the Sideswipe and dig, you face about 90 degrees away from that, in the direction your momentum is going to take you, that you will be traveling.

So then, instead of trying to spin over like a 540 or whatever, think of pivoting off your jumping foot about 180 degrees, so you flip backwards towards that direction. Imagine there's a flash kick target in the direction you're going, so now you want to turn around into a flash kick off one foot and hit it square on, hiya!

I need to make a narrated tutorial on this concept, and illustrate this in a better way to explain my thesis. But TRUST ME, it works like a mofo haha.
It will especially work for you, because you hardly dip your chest on those Raiz-variation setups. If you just apply this principle and arch them a bit, zooom you'll have nice floating inverted Raizes/Sideswipes, all day long!

shengoikee
Apr-11-08, 04:00 AM
well, im gonna be with papito graham all weekend, its my last night as a hurricane virgin. so im gonna take advantage of it and sleep alot before the weekend party begins friday afternoon. We can find a way to make your raiz's work, if i can raiz, you can double raiz, thats how much better than me you are-two raiz's one jump....um....<3
nick you give me wayyyy too much credit ahaha <33333 way too much
Dave! Not like i'm even this good at teh raizes, but mine were similar when CA was teaching them at Germany, and it helped me get the affect i think your after by trying to see the floor as soon/hard as you can, but like look for it over your head. Haha sorry for the worst advice ever.
hey tom thanks =D

i'll work on seeing the floor earlier. i see if before my legs start to "float" apart but it's not like i see it as i'm taking off or anything.
Like an Aerial, but higher, with flatspin, and more jello-like.

AHAHAHAHA!! i'm remember the jello

ahhhh dude you gave me a brilliant idea thank you thank you

for a lot of my cheat tricks i'm used to whipping my head round FAST in order to minimise the setup and gain height but there are exceptions. for parafuso i find this doesn't work so i pretty much look straight ahead of me as i'm turning. i'll try this with raizzz and hopefully it'll work.

i totally agree that these are jello flips btw i just can't seem to make them more flippy :sad: at the moment i try and set up for a 540 and just think "standing whip" - hips go up and i try and spot the floor. something about the way i was doing it was stopping me from flipping....

but i think i know what you do differently now =D

biyak
Apr-11-08, 04:16 AM
WTF!#@
no seriously ! w!#@ t!@# f!@#

XDD the gentle blond giant XDDD hahah that was the funnest hair + color combination i saw! XD 10 points !@# XDDD

and your doing it way to much as a tornado instead of gambi :}

Oat
Apr-11-08, 04:20 AM
What have you done with you are hair!



Nice swipes:D

lynall
Apr-11-08, 05:48 AM
WTF!!!!!!!!! youve got blonde hair!!!! ACE!

and they both look wicked dave!! nothings wrong!

oh and i'll let you know about tamworth, he still aint got back to me!

Alexx
Apr-11-08, 05:55 AM
holy toss balls, nice hair dude !

erm, thats what i do with mine ! its like you don't kick enough with your lead leg, makes my td raiz's realllllly shit. i need to sort it out actually

shengoikee
Apr-11-08, 06:04 AM
ahahah thanks guys :smile:

i need to get a close up pic of my hair. it just looks like a giant ball of yellow candyfloss in this.

*<User Name
Apr-11-08, 06:19 AM
mate, your hair is white 0_0

Alexx
Apr-11-08, 06:21 AM
i would like to see you tricking with riky haha

ya hair is too illuminuss !!!!

shengoikee
Apr-11-08, 06:25 AM
i tried getting it white but had to stop at the light yellow stage haha =)

i did it for the lulz. about a month ago.

Augenatic
Apr-11-08, 08:07 AM
Dude wtf, your sideswipes are great. Raiz looks good too, doesn't look quite like a regular raiz though ahah

dpitlock
Apr-11-08, 08:09 AM
that was a really nice butterflytwist

daviddalo
Apr-11-08, 08:27 AM
what i did to invert the raiz is practicing my touchdown raiz alot until i had it down really nice and inverted, for raiz i tried the same thing by arching my back and trying to reach the floor with my left hand, but instead i pull it back and kinda over my head, this helped me inverting a lot :smile:

Urahara
Apr-11-08, 08:44 AM
id post advice, but victor zorrilla is comeing over to my dorm later before we trick and he can be much more helpfull

HAIR ZOMG WE CAN BE TWINS NOW!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!??!?!11!?!11!?1ELEVEn!!!1one

Shaolin.dk
Apr-11-08, 09:23 AM
I have always been a fan of your sideswipe, and I really dont understand why you're unhappy with it..:eh:

strider-hajime
Apr-11-08, 06:57 PM
you are not arching enough. To help arch the max possible, arch till you can see where your feet took off.

BboyAgua
Apr-11-08, 07:17 PM
Raiz is not arched at all.

Skilzat85X
Apr-11-08, 07:48 PM
If that's not sarcasm you will die by my hand.

BboyAgua
Apr-11-08, 07:50 PM
If that's not sarcasm you will die by my hand.

You think he's arching?

Wouldn't be a bad way to go though.

Skilzat85X
Apr-11-08, 07:52 PM
Oooooh oops sorry now I get it haha.

I thought you were just making a general statement saying "Raiz is not arched", instead of just saying that but meaning "YOUR Raiz is not arched" haha.

My bad!

BboyAgua
Apr-11-08, 08:06 PM
Everyone knows you are only supposed to arch in your double fronts tucks. Raizes is for piked puzishuns.

strider-hajime
Apr-12-08, 07:57 AM
Everyone knows you are only supposed to arch in your double fronts tucks. Raizes is for piked puzishuns.

LOL!

Jiyaomu
Apr-12-08, 08:25 AM
what's wrong with my raiz? plus comme, what's wrong with my hair! lololololololol

Skippy
Apr-12-08, 08:39 AM
With your sideswipe, there is like, fuck all wrong with it at all haha. I mean I know some people do sideswipes kinda like a raiz with a pointy leg, depends on your style inittttttt brraaappp, but you do your sideswipe more like anis does I see =] Like if you check out his Snapus in the tim man & anis samp, his sideswipe before his twist looks alot like yours ^.^

I know nothing about raiz's to be able to help with them haha.

shengoikee
Apr-12-08, 04:10 PM
thanks guys

i think i fixed these today =)