how can i make a 540 out of my tornado?

[BGI]

Hi
i was training my tornado for a VERY LONG time
i can kick it very hard, i have tons of air time on it
resently i changed my tornado by starting with the none kicking leg (left) almost straight, and then bent it while i kick, it seems to give me more power

i can that 540 knee that matt emig showed in his tutorial

but when ever i think about doing a 540 i am ALLWAYS putting my none kicking leg down and my kick comes out really bad

what should i do? how can i make it a 540?

[Shelz]

try and keep your non kicking leg bent :eh: and try and whip/snap down your kicking leg...just takes lots of practice really.

[Surge]

Give up tricking if you can't do it in a week.

[BGI]

Give up tricking if you can't do it in a week.

wow, your nice
i think you should just shut the fuck up a bit will you?

Shelz, tnx, but i see everyone (juji, skillzat and all the other pros) using thire none-kicking leg straight, and then snep it back :\
but ill try

[Sakanem]

post a vid of your torando and your 540 attempts
if you're putting your leg down you probably _don't_ have tons of air time.....

[Papa Lazarou]

wow, your nice
i think you should just shut the fuck up a bit will you?

Settle, it was clearly sarcasm.

Practice. Also, a video would help us give advice.

[BGI]

ill try to get a vid, and i do have tons of air time
im stalling for almost a sec in the air
wheni kick, my kick spins me twice :\

[hijiex]

When I first started my 540 I kept my non-kicking leg tucked. When I got better at it, whether you keep it tucked or not doesn't matter, as long as you land on your kicking leg...
I started doing my 540s with a straight leg now and tuck it back in at the end just because I can do it.
Another thing I realized when I was transitioning to my 540 was that no matter how hard I kicked with my tornado kick or how high it was... my 540 kick is always a bit stronger, faster and higher... The power of my tornado kick just isn't enough for the 540. This is for my 540, everyone has their own way.
Also for future references... once you get your 540 down... if you do it with your non-kicking leg straight, it's easier for you to do a sideswipe.
But yeah, a video of your 540 would help us give you advice.

[Augenatic]

You don't have tonnes of air time haha. If your tornado was high, you'd have no problem with the 540.

[Jimnast]

Tucking or keeping your leg straight is irrelevant, if you want to 540, pull the non kicking leg behind you, pull it underneath the kicking leg, you'll 540 before you realise it. Think of doing the front splits once you get up in the air.

[NoMore]

WTF bgi!!!!!!!!
i never knew you were in here!!!!!!!

he have only a bit less air time then i have, and we have the same poblem
if i remember correctly, your camera is dead (he tried to film his b-kick in the rain :=\ )

if you want, i can send my tornado, its about the same

[Surge]

Settle, it was clearly sarcasm.


Yeah any of that shit again BGI and I'll 540 you, and you wont be able to do it back to me LOLOLOLOL

[BGI]

Yeah any of that shit again BGI and I'll 540 you, and you wont be able to do it back to me LOLOLOLOL

so ill.............ahhh............ oh!!! ill do a hyper cheat 360 at ya!!!
anyway, im at NoMore`s house right now and we are going to film his tornados (im with jeans, very skiny and not for tricking jeans)

[k-slash]

Yeah any of that shit again BGI and I'll 540 you, and you wont be able to do it back to me LOLOLOLOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, he`ll get up and go to try it, then not even risk the shame...LOLOLOL

[BGI]

well, here it is
is almost the same as my tornados

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd984fKETZs

[Augenatic]

Man, you have no airtime, not to talk about much haha, go drill your tornado kick some more.

[k-slash]

Dude, your non kicking foot hits the floor before you snap the kick. NOW THAT IS AIRTIME!

[NoMore]

Man, you have no airtime, not to talk about much haha, go drill your tornado kick some more.

wtf??
i have more air time then lots of the ppl who make those damn tutorials
i dont have air time like juji but i have more air time then lots of others of have pro looking 540s


now tested, i have THE SAME air time that Skilzat has in his 540 on his site

:tongue::bandit::wink::juji:

[k-slash]

Yeah man, you have so much more airtime than other pro`s, thats why you can`t land a 540 kick, yet the pro`s having -100 seconds airtime can land 540`s with ease.

Shut up faget.

[Augenatic]

hahaha <3
and man, trust me/us when I/we haha say that you have almost no airtime and you should drill the fuck out of tornado kicks :tongue:

[k-slash]

HAHAHAH WAIT, I`m going to sig this. Everyone listen.

now tested(vigerously in a science lab), he has THE SAME air time that Skilzat has in his 540 on his site

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[k-slash]

ACtually I`m not sigging it.

[Augenatic]

hahahahhaa
edit: o you should ahaha

[Surge]

Hahahahha yeah man you should totally sig it! :)

[NoMore]

lol, i think ill sig it really :=)
but ok, if you say so, i guess i should drill my tornados some more :=\ (i hate tornados, so boring to drill them)

[k-slash]

You need to pull your hands into guard as you kick.

[k-slash]

WTF my sig turned into a jew

[k-slash]

it`s ok I fixed it.
*Continues to whore post count*

[Seven]

Yeah dude, you need to work on that tornado, you're jumping too early/at the wrong angle, your kick is off center.

Also, don't blurr out your face, unless you're that insecure.

[NoMore]

the blurr is my camera lol it sux
finally some good advice :)
(OMFG i raped BGIs post)

k-slash: OMFG you are right :\ my hands are flying!!! WTF???? i never noticed

Seven: ohh really? then wehn/how should i jump? :\

[Sakanem]

the tornados look pretty ok imo. however you really need to put alot more power into the takeoff in order to hyper it.....

[Augenatic]

Okay, I have some tips for you.
1. Dig! You're not really digging at all, you're just kinda' setting off from nowhere, it doesn't work haha! Also, after the dig, you should explode upwards with no delay or anything between the dig and the jump/exploding upwards.
2. Kick through man! It might be easier with a round kick. Don't think of chambering, just KIICK! haha.
3. The "stall" sucks. You'd want to kick as soon as you've left the ground. Maybe not haha, but don't try to "stall" it on purpose.

[k-slash]

An attitude I like, yay.

[Seven]

the tornados look pretty ok imo. however you really need to put alot more power into the takeoff in order to hyper it.....

Haha, yeah that's what I should have said. I guess I just over cheat it to get that hyper look.

[NoMore]

since this post is buffed with ppl that give advices, ill try EVERYTHING you said now, and ill post a vid again

so i should:
1. put more power in the takeoff
2. DIG and Explode
3. NOT stall
4. kick all the way
5. wrap back the hands

going out now.....

[Augenatic]

Basically yes, but the "stalling" thing is probably your heavy chamber that makes the kick come out late. Just experiment with chambering haha :D

[Sakanem]

540s are all about getting the hips up

[NoMore]

omfg

how that fuck??

i dont know if it is really better, but it sure fells much better since i cant really land them that well now

i did everything that you said i think, but i may kick to high? cose i land a bit off balance
i think i am still stalling to much

i slowed the last 2 attempts, idk why
sorry about that pink thingy, my camera really sux (btw, BGI left)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adh1mKdqars

EDIT: bahh, after watching that few times, its not that better, it just hard to deal with trying to kick all the way i guess

[k-slash]

Better man, when you kick, pull both arms in close to your chest.

[Seven]

Actually, I still think my first statement was right. Look at your jumping foot right before you jump, it's pointing backwards, I like to have it to the side. Instead of it pointing ^, try pointing it <...of course you'll have to put more rotation into your setup.

[Seven]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YWVL3YcWSIc
Look at the direction his jumping foot is right before it leaves the ground. I had this same problem, it feels so much easier when you don't have to spin from a backwards position. It's called cheating for a reason. : p

[Sakanem]

That's right, you jump too early. Also focus on using your non-kicking leg to go up rather than across, you don't really need all that much rotational momentum on a 540.

[NoMore]

well, i tried, it seems better sometimes, but other times it really hurt my leg and was low
i guess i should just get use to a new setup
but it may be my very very lame grass
im uploading my attempts now

[NoMore]

here it is, not very good
sorry about the dark background :=\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUI2cCX9OYo

someone [ ;) ] told me that i should try to switch to juji`s setup
should i? cose right now i like my setup but i cant really have my legs it that position with it

[Jimnast]

A big problem you have is your body is like a tub of jelly, you must tighten up. Keep tight. Throw a pillow on the floor, it doesn't bounce, throw a metal bar on the ground, it bounces. If your body is loose, it will absorb all the force you put into it. You must be rigid like steel, it will help inrease your speed, control and height.

[NoMore]

not that i did not understand :\
how can i be "rigid like steel"?

[Sakanem]

I still think you're not jumping to your fullest potential; fling your arms and non-kicking leg UP more violently.. you need to focus on the jump more than the kick; you're doing the opposite. also, you might want to try a crescent kick instead of a roundhouse (don't forget to chamber though!) because a crescent goes upward more whereas a roundhouse should take a more horizontal path; here's my 540, I use a crescent.... hope you see what I mean.... if you look closely you might see how the kick somewhat prolongs my air time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMCUENKB9v4

[NoMore]

ok
but im done for tonight
tomorrow or the day after ill try tornados in a more "friendly" area (my grass is lame) and ill open a post cose this has gone on 5 pages and its hard t follow

so i should turn more in my setup (maybe try few other setups)
focus more on the jump and less on the kick
try different kicks (crescent)
and be more agressive
i think ill try the tornados on a target

[Jimnast]

Rigid like steel, means stay tight, contract your muscles. Don't loosen up, loose limbs are dead weight, they're only gonna slow you down and decrease your height. Use all your limbs=arms, legs, in unison=together. Contract your arms legs, swing everything hard, maintain the tension.

If you stay loose, you're probably gonna end up hurting yourself. When you jump up,spin etc, you've got 50-60-70kg's accelerating down to the ground, if you don't contract your muscles, you risk pushing your joints beyond safe ranges of motion and you'll end up stretching ligaments, etc.

[Bruce]

WTH happened to you K-slash, how come your never on msn anymore?

[k-slash]

my msn keeps being deleted somehow, so add my new, new, new msn tf-k-slash@hotmail.com

[Skilzat85X]

here it is, not very good
sorry about the dark background :=\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUI2cCX9OYo

someone [ ;) ] told me that i should try to switch to juji`s setup
should i? cose right now i like my setup but i cant really have my legs it that position with it


now tested, i have THE SAME air time that Skilzat has in his 540 on his site

:tongue::bandit::wink::juji:

I'd hate to say it but you're going to need about 3 more feet of height to enter Skilzat's territory.

[WilliamT]

GRANDMASTERSKILZAT IS NOT AMUSED

[qwerty the asdf]

I'd hate to say it but you're going to need about 3 more feet of height to enter Skilzat's territory.

3 feet?!!? u might as well start doing 1260 triples hahahaha

Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!!

[NoMore]

yea, but you took the one with the new setup that i dont really like ;)

[Inkrepid]

...LOL at this thread

On a serious note, your not going up. Your doing a pretty good kick, but you dont jump up at all.

Heres a 540 of mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWXfntU61Cg
It starts about 22 seconds into the vid. Ignore the jacknifes, I've already improved em to be 10x better since I made that vid. Just watch the 540. Notice 3 distinct parts. I throw my hands up and my knee up at the same time for max height. I do stall, and I do throw a chambered kick. As soon as I feel that Ive exited my initial jump and Im now rotating and about to kick, I pull my hands in and twist in the hips. At the same time I throw my leg out kicking through my target, all while spotting my target. Its gonna take you some time to learn all the details, so just try to focus on swinging your arms UP and jumping UP and then quickly WRAPPING.

[NoMore]

i just remebered somthing that i used to do and for some reason i dont anymore
i used to throw my hands downand then up and push them up
i dont know whay i stoped, ill try it now, ill just go change (BTW, only tomorrow ill have a better practice place)
ill also try few setups i picked this morning

[NoMore]

you have NO IDEA how hot it is outside!!!!!!
SO FUCKING HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did it anyway :\
i forogt to wrap a few times, but i tryed 4 different setups
Juji`s, Skilzat`s, Inkrepid`s and Matt Emig`s (and i changed my own)

i felt that Matt Emig`s and Inkrepid`s setups gave more power then Juji`s and Skilzat`s
but i let you say which is better

(when i land of balance, its the grass, my grass have bumpers :") , dont mind that)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nxlOdhQCspk

* I poseted while status is uploading, so if its not working when you try to watch, try in a few min

[Sakanem]

um what? the first 2 setups look pretty much the same, so do the last 3....
oh and you're still not jumping.....
copy Inkrepid's technique, it's really good. In my 540 that I posted earlier my arms are everywhere, so that might not be a terribly good example concerning wrapping..

[Surge]

Try a parafuso.

[Seven]

Haha, can't hurt to have them all, doesn't really matter just so it's efficient.

A big problem you have is your body is like a tub of jelly, you must tighten up. Keep tight. Throw a pillow on the floor, it doesn't bounce, throw a metal bar on the ground, it bounces. If your body is loose, it will absorb all the force you put into it. You must be rigid like steel, it will help inrease your speed, control and height.

Also, reconsider what Jimnast said. You don't have good form, you're muscles look loose and relaxed which makes alot of your movement inefficient.

[NoMore]

even if the setups looks almost the same, ALMOST is the key here, everything have a bit different effect

i still dont get the muscles look relaxed thingy.....and how come i still not jumping?
i still dont dig enoght? WTF? :\

[NoMore]

i did a new one
i really really hope that you can see that
if you cant see anything (dark, the night effect) ill do a new one tomorrow

but it fells so much better, i tryed to cheat it more, and use my arms a bit more (i wrap in almost every kick i did)

i know im uploading way to much and its probely get you annoyed, but pls stay with me until friday
tomorrow i will have a betters session, with more moves then just this one
and ill attempt 540s with whatever setup i can

so i just want to get this last feetback before my session

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrRDhiiGWFw

sorry about the delay

[Inkrepid]

You still stall too long... You need to kick sooner and try to bring it around faster... Stalled tornados are great and all, but you cant 540 it.

[kiwarrior]

sorry, NoMore, but the problem is still occuring. first, really jump higher, jump as a vertical jump, you need to get more air time, and this can only be achieved if you stomp into the ground, and send yourself to the sky. try to practice the jumping part with the setup and without the kick.
next, the rigid body part: stand still, then tense all your muscles in your body. you're rigid now. so when you do the tornados try to tense your arms as if you were punching, and your legs as if you were - hmm...cycling?, and your abs too.
it helps your body to keep the tornado in a decent form.

[NoMore]

ahhh, ok
il try that

kick sooner? but that means i kick lower, the stall is only abit more then what it takes me to get my knee up i think

BTW, my setup is ok now?

[Seven]

I'd say your setup is fine. It's what you do afterwards that needs work.

[Tocano]

Everything you're doing looks really sleepy. You look like you aren't putting any effort into it. Get hyped up and jump as hard as you can, then kick across as fast as you can. Just forget about the technique for a minute and focus on speed.

[NoMore]

more speed? i can do that
jump harder....i THINK i can do that

[Skilzat85X]

Why the nigg is that quote still in your signature.

[NoMore]

LOL
i was joking man :)
i dont really have the same air time you have!!!

[kiwarrior]

Hey, check out my vid too:
IrjBsQOJMkk

I tried to film some kicks which might be some powerful tornados but I can't convert them to 540s. Comments and advices pls

[Augenatic]

Read the 540 tutorial on the main site

[NoMore]

i pu more speed in it, but i think i lost hight
ill let you deside
BTW, how about my pop 360, i know its lame but what else?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yoZFbM46ga8

[Sakanem]

you kick earlier on your tornados, which is good. you still don't get enough height on either your tornado or 360 though..

[Augenatic]

Man just do the whole thing much faster.

[drunk-monk]

train kicks.
kick kicks.
kick damnit!

what the hell was that?! you're supposed to kill someone with that!
1. train kicks. speed and precision is your goal.
2. JUMP!
3. KICK!!!!

if you can get to a punch-bag - try to kick it with a tornado. [don't ever do a 540 on it.]

[Patrick Alessi]

If rally have a good tornadokick as you say there is only one thing to to. Belive that you can do it!

Have trust in yourself and keep that non kicking leg bend!

[Patrick Alessi]

Just saw you vids...
When doing the tornado kick:
Think about torning the hip sidaways so you avoid doing cresent kicks which are hard to hyper in 540!

[iFail]

train kicks.
kick kicks.
kick damnit!

what the hell was that?! you're supposed to kill someone with that!
1. train kicks. speed and precision is your goal.
2. JUMP!
3. KICK!!!!

if you can get to a punch-bag - try to kick it with a tornado. [don't ever do a 540 on it.]

Doing tornados to a punching bag is easy.

[kiwarrior]

tornado kicking on a target had me do my first 540 accidentally - and the last yet :(

[iFail]

Imho training kicks on targets = easier than to plain air.

[Augenatic]

Imho training kicks on targets = easier than to plain air.

Yeah, youFail.

[iFail]

Yeah, youFail.

Note how i said Imho. Good boy. Have some viagra.

[Dragonfly]

Take a look at my 540, I maybe start my setup abit slow, but when I jump, I explode upwards (sorry if it sounds braggy) and do the kick and wrap as fast as possible.

OB_CmE3zfIs


You do the exact opposite, you start your setup with pretty good speed (comparatively) Then, as you jump, everything slows down to maybe half your original speed :wink:

[kiwarrior]

somebody pls watch my tornados on the previous (8th) page, and give me some advices for my technique
p.s.: what does the wrap include?

[tuareg]

Hey kiwarrior.

What i saw about your tornado is that you used a hop setup instead of stepping in, wich takes back some momentum (for me at least).

So you might want to try going into your tornado setup by stepping into it instead of doing that hop. Other than that, practise practise practise.


It also looks like you're turning all the way around while doing the setup, instead of stopping yourself. Just stop turning so much and you'll know what i'm talking about ;)


@dragonfly: i still have that downloaded haha.

[zambri]

juji has a full written and video version of a 540 tutorial.

[Dragonfly]

Hey kiwarrior.

What i saw about your tornado is that you used a hop setup instead of stepping in, wich takes back some momentum (for me at least).

So you might want to try going into your tornado setup by stepping into it instead of doing that hop. Other than that, practise practise practise.


It also looks like you're turning all the way around while doing the setup, instead of stopping yourself. Just stop turning so much and you'll know what i'm talking about ;)


@dragonfly: i still have that downloaded haha.

Okay, haha ^^

BTW, I tricked outside on grass for the first time yesterday, and I did one that was even better (I think, I didn't get it on video) Anyway, it felt alot better. :tongue:

[tuareg]

i'd love to see that sex haha.