Double Frontflip

[Shukumine]

Hi, I'm back in TT after a while! No need to worry, I'm chanched trickster and I'm not a parasite to this forum anymore! :tongue: I have learned all kinds of things and now I'm moving to Double Frontflip. Before I start to land it, I'll ask a couple of questions from more experienced tricksters. I have a solid Frontflip, of course and I have all kinds of Frontflip varitations, like Cartwheel Front, X-In and Front Crusifix/Jesus Frontflip.

So, I was thinking about what kind of position should I start doing the Double Front. Should I use the regular one, blocking, chinese or russian style. I thought that blocking would be my number 1 choise, but you can always enlighten me more! :wink: And with training, I start with trampoline and water. Then I use crash mats and finally I do it from the grass into a sand pit. I know I have to gather huge momentum for the jump and jump very high, but also tuck very powerfully and not too early. So stalling is a good choise, but stalling too much would not end well... :dead: About the tucking style; should I use knee tuck or tight tuck. I find it easier to land regular Frontflip with tight tuck, but in a Double Frontflip it could be the opposite. I don't find this move to be scary, but you gotta prepeare well!

So, experienced tricksters, would you help this fellow-trickster with some wise words? Thanks in advace!

[Augenatic]

I have an idea. Stop writing long posts about front flip variations and learn some kicks.

[alpha7158]

I have never seen a double front flip landed on grass. Maybe a double arabian is a better idea.

[Shukumine]

I have never seen a double front flip landed on grass.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nX2ANkB8Dq4 0:39

[pete_man_man]

dude, he's brazilian. you are clearly not brazilian

[alpha7158]

That was sick. I think you should learn a double front in a gym first. It is the sort of move that will seriously fuck you up if you do it wrong, especialy on grass.

edit: haha pete is also very true. He is also probably about 6 years older than you and a lot more powerful.

[Victor_S]

That guy is probably french, not brazilian

[Scott]

Yeah I'm gonna go with French seeing as it's a bunch of French guys
If he were Brazilian it would have been a triple cork with shoes on concrete.

Go learn it in a gym first, man. Finnish frozen grass isn't the most forgiving surface to crash on.

[iFail]

Yeah I'm gonna go with French seeing as it's a bunch of French guys
If he were Brazilian it would have been a triple cork with shoes on concrete.

Go learn it in a gym first, man. Finnish frozen grass isn't the most forgiving surface to crash on.

It is actually. You get that nice numb feeling and pass out painlessly. Give it a try :wink:

[sesshoumaru]

I use either the "chinese" or american set", but I would really like to see one of your better "punch fronts" before offering up anymore advice...

[Ryan Sas]

dude, he's brazilian. you are clearly not brazilian

rofl.


anyhow, to be completely honost, your list of "variations" are all the exact same move performed stylistically different. from a gymnastics standpoint, they would all recieve the same difficulty score (A, the most basic of floor skills for men). you're actually lacking all the other steps that would come before double front in gymnastics, lol. if i were you, i would first consider learning front layout and brandy (front layout half). those are both b level skills. front full is a c, and if i'm not mistaken, double front is on the same level as rudy (front layout 3/2 (1.5)). sooo... i'm just advising you look into the full realm of front tumbling.

now i'll go as far as to say what moves gymnasts generally have before attempting a double tuck (most coaches will require this before letting them try doubles). the first is a punch 5/4 (1.25) meaning you front tuck, miss both feet under you, and land in a prone position (push up). next is a front 1 3/4 (1.75) that means you essentially are going to complete one full flip and continue into a second but you'll dive roll out about half way to 3/4 through the second flip (your feet don't come around twice, your head does, make sense?). and THEN, they do double front.

as for the set style, i doubt you'll be able to wrench a russian style double front, very few can and while it works well for getting hieght, it's notoriously difficult to initiate fast rotations if you aren't used to it. that being said, use what you like, a huge punch isn't going to help on grass, blocking will transfer whatever momentum you built up though, so that should be somewhat useful when you're not on a spring floor. personally though i'd say if you really want to do double fronts on the ground, the best method is arabian, because you get to use a back tumbling set (far easier to get higher on normal ground).

anyways, best of luck to you. im not a great front tumbler myself, but i have a friend who is great at it and i've talked about this stuff with him and his coach loads of times. we all agree that it's pretty unlikely to manage a punch double front on normal ground, but more power to you if you can dude.

[twist]

^ what he said.

and post us up a video of your regular fronts

[Kalvin]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nX2ANkB8Dq4 0:39

bah you beat me to it, i was just about to link that =/

[Shukumine]

if i were you, i would first consider learning front layout and brandy (front layout half). those are both b level skills. front full is a c, and if i'm not mistaken, double front is on the same level as rudy (front layout 3/2 (1.5)). sooo... i'm just advising you look into the full realm of front tumbling.


OK, thanks! You know, the next Frontflip varitation I was gonna learn before Double Front is Barani (Frontflip 180). I can seriously consider that learning more about Front-tumbling will help me to learn a Double Frontflip.


personally though i'd say if you really want to do double fronts on the ground, the best method is arabian, because you get to use a back tumbling set (far easier to get higher on normal ground).


That seems to be a good idea! Round Off will give you a good height to complete two full rotations. After a Double Arabian learned, it will be much easier to do Double Front after the bottom technique is inside your head. And I got to learn them both! :ninja:


anyways, best of luck to you.


Thank you, you helped me alot!
This doesn't mean that this thread is death now. We can still discuss about this move.

[Surge]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nX2ANkB8Dq4 0:39

That could happen, or so could this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-GWxnRkHs
Edit: that doesn't appear to be working
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-GWxnRkHs

[Shukumine]

Ouch, that guy needs more power to his takeoff and rotation.
At least he didn't come down headfirst! It doesn't matter if you crash backfirst. By crashing you learn! :juji:

[Surge]

By crashing you learn! :juji:
LEARNING BY PAIN.

[A_Wilhelm]

By crashing you learn!

Have fun getting paralyzed.

[Shukumine]

Have fun getting paralyzed.

That's not what I'm up to, but yes, I'm gonna have loads of fun! :tongue:

Right after I'm filmed my sampler I start practising Double Arabian with crash mats and in water. I'm going to practise it very much, so I get it solid and then Double Frontflip should be no problem! :cool:

[J-Slide]

That's not what I'm up to, but yes, I'm gonna have loads of fun! :tongue:

Right after I'm filmed my sampler I start practising Double Arabian with crash mats and in water. I'm going to practise it very much, so I get it solid and then Double Frontflip should be no problem! :cool:

dumb arabians and frontucks have no relation

[thereid]

dumb arabians and frontucks have no relationYes they do, the take-offs are quite different, but once you're flipping they are pretty much the same in air awareness.

[Torre]

I just can't understand this obsession with double fronts.

[Rudy]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nX2ANkB8Dq4 0:39

he used a sandpit....he cheats

[Ryan Sas]

dumb arabians and frontucks have no relation

You're wrong. Arabian is an indicator of a takeoff method. It merely means that out of backtumbling you turn 180 degrees during the set portion of the move and then perform a front tumbling maneuver. Thus, you'll hear descriptions of any arabian style move in gymnastics described "arabian double front," "arabian front layout," etc.

Anyways, (to the guy that started this thread asking for advice) dude, I don't think you know what you're in for, haha. I wish punch double or arabian double front were as simple as just wanting to do it. To give you an idea, most gymnasts never touch either move. Right now there are only a few competing a punch double front, one of them is Nastia Liuken, who is likely in contention for an Olympic All-Around Medal this year. Arabian double front is far more common, but nonetheless, if you mess up, it's not as simple as falling on your ass like a single rotation front flip: you could seriously get hurt. Don't try either move on grass until you've mastered it on spring floor. And if you don't have a spring floor, I'd say just find a different move to go after until you have gym access.

[[RozoN]]

I just can't understand this obsession with double TO DEATH
THIS!

[TricksterBee]

You're wrong. Arabian is an indicator of a takeoff method. It merely means that out of backtumbling you turn 180 degrees during the set portion of the move and then perform a front tumbling maneuver. Thus, you'll hear descriptions of any arabian style move in gymnastics described "arabian double front," "arabian front layout," etc.

Anyways, (to the guy that started this thread asking for advice) dude, I don't think you know what you're in for, haha. I wish punch double or arabian double front were as simple as just wanting to do it. To give you an idea, most gymnasts never touch either move. Right now there are only a few competing a punch double front, one of them is Nastia Liuken, who is likely in contention for an Olympic All-Around Medal this year. Arabian double front is far more common, but nonetheless, if you mess up, it's not as simple as falling on your ass like a single rotation front flip: you could seriously get hurt. Don't try either move on grass until you've mastered it on spring floor. And if you don't have a spring floor, I'd say just find a different move to go after until you have gym access.
Dummy, my teammate andrew, the one in my sig, is working on arabian double fronts and quad fulls. And I was at WOGA last december, valeri luikin's gym, and the elite's there (guys) were doing punch double fronts, like alot of them were..

[Ryan Sas]

Dummy, my teammate andrew, the one in my sig, is working on arabian double fronts and quad fulls. And I was at WOGA last december, valeri luikin's gym, and the elite's there (guys) were doing punch double fronts, like alot of them were..

not even 1% of all gymnast are elite... most gyms don't even support programs beyond level 10. of those who are elite, allow me to reiterate, very few compete it. that doesn't mean they can't do it. as for your teamate or whatever... i don't see your point, i have several friends that CAN do both of those moves, what are you getting at?

[frankinstine]

not even 1% of all gymnast are elite... most gyms don't even support programs beyond level 10. of those who are elite, allow me to reiterate, very few compete it. that doesn't mean they can't do it. as for your teamate or whatever... i don't see your point, i have several friends that CAN do both of those moves, what are you getting at?

He was getting at the fact that you made it seem like double front/arabians were near impossible.

[TricksterBee]

not even 1% of all gymnast are elite... most gyms don't even support programs beyond level 10. of those who are elite, allow me to reiterate, very few compete it. that doesn't mean they can't do it. as for your teamate or whatever... i don't see your point, i have several friends that CAN do both of those moves, what are you getting at?

You made it sound like most gymnasts don't do arabian double fronts and punch double fronts when I see a lot of them do, and my gym supports lv 1~ elite..

[CodyLee1337]

Post a video of a single front flip, from there we shall call council and make the decision if you are even worthy enough to start a double front.

[Ryan Sas]

You made it sound like most gymnasts don't do arabian double fronts and punch double fronts when I see a lot of them do, and my gym supports lv 1~ elite..

no, arabian double front is very common, loads of people use it as an easy way to get a d dismount. but once again, i'm talking about people actually competing their punch double fronts. it's not very common because it takes a lot of energy and space when they could do something like whip-back 3/2-front lay-rudy which is easier and gives way more points (rudy is also d, plus there were several link bonuses in there). it's all about playin the judges game of cramming as many points into each pass as you can, so it's just not energy efficient to run into a punch double front. the only time it would really make much sense is for your side pass, and that's a hell of a sidepass... typically side passes stay around the c level and are generally (not always) relegated to single or roll out flips.

anyways, the point of the thread is to give advice about this dude trying a double front. i'm merely saying that it's a difficult skill that a lot of gymnasts (who have been training for this kind of shit for ages) often just pass the move up entirely.

[TricksterBee]

no, arabian double front is very common, loads of people use it as an easy way to get a d dismount. but once again, i'm talking about people actually competing their punch double fronts. it's not very common because it takes a lot of energy and space when they could do something like whip-back 3/2-front lay-rudy which is easier and gives way more points (rudy is also d, plus there were several link bonuses in there). it's all about playin the judges game of cramming as many points into each pass as you can, so it's just not energy efficient to run into a punch double front. the only time it would really make much sense is for your side pass, and that's a hell of a sidepass... typically side passes stay around the c level and are generally (not always) relegated to single or roll out flips.

anyways, the point of the thread is to give advice about this dude trying a double front. i'm merely saying that it's a difficult skill that a lot of gymnasts (who have been training for this kind of shit for ages) often just pass the move up entirely.
Ok then, but I knew about all that stuff, i'm an optional gymnast..

[JackW]

i don't kno why you want to learn double frontflip anyways.. It doesn't look that cool and i don't think it's a tricking move.

[Shukumine]

i don't kno why you want to learn double frontflip anyways.. It doesn't look that cool and i don't think it's a tricking move.

First of all, Double Frontflip looks really cool and second of all, anything that looks visually cool can be used in tricking.

I will start training Double Arabian. But first I need to perfect my Round Off Arabian. I'm on my way to Double Arabian, I have a powerful Round Off and after that I get a high Arabian. I just need to learn to rotate faster. I don't need a gym (there isn't any). I survive with crash mats and water.

[.kiz]

First of all, Double Frontflip looks really cool and second of all, anything that looks visually cool can be used in tricking.
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a womans hot dripping pussy looks cool but i cant combo with that can i?
it will leave a snail trail

[Shukumine]

Double Arabian would be a better choise if you're talking about comboing those two tricks. It's extremely difficult to combo a Double Frontflip, because in combo, you would need to use a Cartwheel before flipping and that may not give you a needed rotation speed or height. Althrough Cartwheel gives you very much momentum for a single Frontflip. On the other hand comboing Double Arabian would be a bit easier, because Round Off gives you very much height and rotation speed.

But I'm not saying that comboing neither one of those two would be a piece of cake!

[TricksterBee]

Perfect an arabian? It's just a backflip with a delayed 180 degree twist o_o
I mean if it was standing I get you'd want to perfect it but from a round off, lol :tongue:

[Quackmaster]

I have an idea. Stop writing long posts about front flip variations and learn some kicks.

listen and you shal rule!!

or just go and tumble....

[thereid]

a womans hot dripping pussy looks cool No it doesn't.

[Shukumine]

Perfect an arabian? It's just a backflip with a delayed 180 degree twist o_o
I mean if it was standing I get you'd want to perfect it but from a round off, lol :tongue:


I think you can train them cleaner from both Round Off and from standing. I mean, if you can't control your landing in Round Off Arabian because of all that momentum, you can train it better, so you can control the landing.

My Standing Arabian however is more cleaner and better than my Round Off Arabian. I think It's because I use it very often in Taido's Tentai techniques and combine it with other Taido moves.