How should trickers trick?

[Cymatrelic]

the title pretty much says it all.

I cant completely understand how other trickers advance so much faster then my buddys and me.
Well... i have a guess. We always try to get every trick down as good as we can so it happens that we work on one trick for ages befor advancing further into other tricks.
We´ve been tricking for bout 1 and a half years now and we´re just kinda slowly getting into combos. I know trickers who are totally UBBER and only trick for a year. All we´ve been doing is drilling the basics and a few advanced tricks and now were kinda stuck just doing basics.
So i was wondering if u guys could maybe give us some tips on HOW to trick.

Do you drill tricks untill u can do em perfectly or do u just make sure u land em now and then even if they look crappy. Or do you just learn 2 tricks then combo em and go from there.
I really have no idea what to do about the situation were in atm. We havent been building muscles too much. We´ve just tried to trick as often as possible. Just recently have we started to train muscles again so maybe itll go up hill from now on.

I doubt that u guys actually know what i mean but it would be really cool if someone here who was maybe in the same position as i am in the moment could give me some advice.:juji:

thx in advance

[Andy R]

just train hard and have fun. get some hyped up session with lots of people, music, energy drinks, and just have a good time. train ALOT!!

[TiVo]

Chill out. Don't be sad if others progress a million times faster than you.
So long as you enjoy yourself when you trick, time being a factor to you getting better doesn't matter.

[n3m3s1s]

Have fun while tricking, and drill the shit out of your basics. Also, If theres moves you have problems with, look at people who can do it, analyze the technique, and try again. If it doesn't work, try different things. Look at other people doing a trick, and figure out what you can do to make yours better.

Have fun!

[Kou]

I've been tricking for 3 years and I don't even have all the basics down. No double leg, no c720, and no cork. I'm not complaining about progress, I trick because it's fun and I enjoy growing. Just because it's slow doesn't mean it isn't there. Just don't give up!

[Cymatrelic]

So just have fun no matter what eh? Well ... its just hard havin fun when ur not progressing. Do you guys actually build muscles ALOT and stretch or do you just trick all day? Cause we trick three times a week normally and we´re always tottaly tired after bout tricking for 30 mins. So im guessing only training more will help us.
But for example:
When you´re just learning btwist->swingthrough->slant gainer/cork. How do u do it? do you just do it even if you know that ur gonna land on ur face or do you do the btwist so often that u know u can do a nice swingthrough out of it?? Cause were kinda doing the second variation and its not getting us too far. Maybe thats the problem??:dead:

[DarkXacreD]

The problem I have when tricking is that I either land a trick relatively clean, or crash. It's because I don't have the basic power needed to do a lot of them.

Most people I know have enough power and can land a trick and have it look like shit, but they would have still landed it. And hence, they can land it more often. From there, they get used to the trick faster and can add power to it and change their technique as necessary. While I'm just drilling and crashing, never fully sure that I'll be able to do it without crashing until aaaaages later when my strength has increased enough for me to do it clean AND land it without thinking.

So my advice would be: don't worry if you look like a complete dumbass, as long as you can land the trick, you can drill it and keep changing things up.

If you're doing everything technically correct, but you still crash, you might need to add some conditioning to your routine.

[Iikkap]

Chill out. Don't be sad if others progress a million times faster than you.
So long as you enjoy yourself when you trick, time being a factor to you getting better doesn't matter.

Yes. People have different kinds of histories too. One might've never done any form of sports in his life, other has always been athletic, possibly even done some MAs etc. Now, is it any wonder these two guys wouldn't progress at the same rate?


When you´re just learning btwist->swingthrough->slant gainer/cork. How do u do it? do you just do it even if you know that ur gonna land on ur face or do you do the btwist so often that u know u can do a nice swingthrough out of it?? Cause were kinda doing the second variation and its not getting us too far. Maybe thats the problem??:dead:

Mostly when people learn btwist gainers their gainers are good enough so that they won't land on their face :P You won't learn combos by drilling single moves, you learn comboing by comboing. You might learn a btwist - gainer on your first try if your btwist is perfect for it, but most likely you'll have to drill the fuck out of it :)

[Pierreloubaresse]

iikkap is totally right , its depends on your background , personally i did a lot of sports younger and MA so in 1 year of tricking ( 2 times a week)
I had all basics very clean and a good tumbling .

You can see my old vid i did it with only 10 months of tricking , i did not know what was a flip before that :

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=yb5PFD_1JHg

[Pierreloubaresse]

So yes you must have fun , but don't be worried , everything will come at times , stretch yourself for the kicks , listen to your body , never trick tired and do weightlifting if you want .

[shengoikee]

choose a trick/combo of some sort then do it perfectly with style

build up your repertoire of tricks/combos

that'll take some hard work

[FeRoXX]

Basically I have the same problem as you Cymatrelic. I almost stopped progressing last fall. But I noticed a difference to the time before fall: Since fall all my other tricking buddys have suffered serious injurys and they can't trick with me for at least six months. What slowed my progress down is the lack of motivation and like Elim said some kind of hype I always enjoyed with them. training was always fun and we freaked out. While having fun we all made the greatest progressions, and fun is what tricking is about for a big part in my opinion.
Just don't worry about not progressing, try to regain the fun while training and progress will come by itself. Hope i could help you:wink:

[anfeyd]

There is a lot that goes into making a good trickster. Someone who can train under loopkicks will have a better shot at becoming 'good' that someone who has no one to trick with and only their backyard to work with (which also means their progress is limited by nature).

Genetics and previous training play a role in it as well, but that does mean success. Dan Pitlock frequently notes that tricking is an obsession to him and he is constantly thinking about it. You may find that this just doesn't happen with you in which case your drive isn't as big as his which will hinder your progress. Is it a bad thing? Not really because everyone is different.

You need to have consistent hard work (both tricking and studying tricking), and dedication. No matter what your background is, it takes hard work. Your attitude is already setting yourself up for failure.

This video sums it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EyRUgp9Mk

Don't let samplers brain wash you into thinking every trickster nails every trick that perfectly every time. Everyone falls, everyone hurts, everyone aches, every tricking sessions is a mental battle (both for fear and motivation wise). Samplers are more of the 'highlight reel' most of the time, don't be fooled.

[AndyD11]

when i trick i do both basics and advanced moves. i try and get a good balance. DO some basics to warm up ebviously then maybe do some variations and then advance moves. they maybe some cool combos and a few basics just getting better tehcnique then do some more basics...just train how ever you want.If you wanna get better faster the only way to do it is to try new moves and don't be put off if you don't get the first time
try them again and again even if your face planting. Practices makes perfect, don't be afraid of a move (although make sure you take due care). If you wanna try it and think it's well within your reach then go ahead and try it. Don't forget your basics but definately try and mix it up more by trying harder shit if you feel you can.

[JiayoJames]

The more fun you have the faster you will progress.

[shengoikee]

The more fun you have the faster you will progress.

i think that works more the other way round haha

[Shaolin.dk]

i think that works more the other way round haha

hahaaha:good:

[waterboy]

i think it's hilarious when people get worked up or mad over tricks

have fun

and relax.

[JiayoJames]

i think that works more the other way round haha

It's like an awesome cycle. :D

[shengoikee]

yeeeeah you're right haha =D

[haylon]

the key to getting better: Trick everyday, everywhere, all the time. But dont be reckless.

[anfeyd]

i think it's hilarious when people get worked up or mad over tricks

have fun

and relax.

These are words of wisdom as well. Chances are tricking isn't going to get you anywhere. It also has the joy of being non competitive so there is no need to get your panties in a ruffle.

[JiayoJames]

Personally I subscribe to the 'Rock Lee' philosophy, haha.

[Cymatrelic]

wow thx guys for all the help. I hope i can put what you all said into use but i think i pretty much got what you mean.:juji:

So do you all train muscles alot or do you just trick alot? or do u trick and build muscles every day?? whats the best thing to do?
And when tricking do you just start out with the basics or do you just run a mile to warm up and then stretch??
(many weird questions i know... just being curious)

Tricking ftw

[JiayoJames]

I don't really 'train muscles" at all, apart from what I do while tricking and martial arts... I don't really do any weights or anything.

[Pierreloubaresse]

Since the beginning you were interessed by muscles ahah :

No , they ain't the solution , but it can help.

The only good way to see improvements with your tricks is to work on the dynamic with the legs : jumps , skipping rope , squats .

You can run but remember that tricking isn't endurance , for example sesshoumaru hates to run...but run a bit will never be bad for you.

[FeRoXX]

I do strengthtraining 2 times a week as well as tricking. Sometimes I feel still sore when I'm tricking and thats not very helpful. Just like Pierreloubaresse said, working on your dynamic flexability will help you more.

[milan]

I also trick like that! I got my kicks really smooth before i went onto more advanced moves. But i see trickers nowdays advancing to doing corks when they cant even c720 high enough!

[mogwai]

Just trick FFS!

[mogwai]

GAWD damn there is so many noob threads around :agony:

[shengoikee]

LOL!

[mogwai]

How to trick:
like thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1BAtsrIeZc

[shengoikee]

fuck yeah! :smile:

i lol'd hard when i watched it back in the hospital

[mogwai]

dude did you have to go to hospital after?!?
dang you r such an hero

[shengoikee]

hahaha yeeeah the guys i was training with came with me which was awesome <3

we were laughing because it looked like i go limp and completely die

i snapped a ligament and it was sort of just resting under the skin a coupla inches up my shin bone. i told damien i thought i'd snapped my shin in the middle then we walked over the road to the hospital hahaha. only took a few weeks to recover though. =D

[JiayoJames]

:agony:

[TiVo]

One thing i think that can impede progress a whole lot is FEAR. If you can't manage your fear well. You are not going to land a lot of moves. Wanna help with the fear? Get some mats, trick on plyo, etc.

[cepopeye]

trickers should trick like nick vail

[TiVo]

but there can only be one Nick Vail.

[Nick Fail]

there can be plenty of nick vails. someone else wanna turn?

[NoMore]

dude, dont think about it
i havnt really started tricking yet, cose im not trainig a lot, only when i kinda have the time, i progress SLOW, and i am the most unathletic person in the world, im kinda fat and i dont train any muscles (at all!!)

i just do my REALLY basic tricks once in a while, and somtimes i get this "omfg i want a new trick" then i try i fail and i dont try anything new for a long time

now its b-twist time, i try a lot, and soon ill probely stop trying

i guess ill start tricking for real when ill actually get a REAL trick

[ShuFFs]

or... you could just go and trick.