Tumbling Passes vs. Tricking Combos *Pic*

[Flowers]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/tumblijg.jpg











http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/tricking.jpg








I've had this in my head for awhile now.

Any thoughts?

[Scooba Dave]

maybe ur tricking combos are like that haha.

[Flowers]

I had danny Graham's long combo in mind, or Ott's.

Then your basic tumbling back and forth pass that cheerleaders do

[zambri]

its mainly true, when have you even seen a tumbling pass where a sudden directional switch is present. its mainly one corner to the other corner, with various stops in the center to dance or something. although im not entirely sure about flowers thing, i usually try to keep the same target when i combo

[JiayoJames]

I trick with a target in mind... and I try to keep the direction of the target consistent.

[Marodi]

I used to always tumble and trick in straight lines. I've fixed up my tricking now :cool:

[Flowers]

I learned today that I have no control where my td raiz's go.

[Ewasiuk]

Don't most tumbling passes have diagonal paths too?

[Flowers]

The tumbler is still moving in a straight line even if he's traveling corner to corner

[Scooba Dave]

ben, what's the point to this?

i'm sure most of us are aware already that tumbling goes in a straight line, are you implying that because it's neater its better than tricking in some way?

like what's the real point to this thread??

[Skippy]

What a fucking shit thread haha

Nothing compared to my thread about shemales

[qwerty the asdf]

maybe ur tricking combos are like that haha.

its somewhat tough to keep going straight for certain combos...

ie: btwist > c900 changes the direction (naturally) of a combo by 90 degrees. add stuff before and after and you got a nice L shape combo

or maybe its just when i combo it... but i land btwist facing from where i came...

although, there are other combos i can keep in line

EDIT: and i do agree... this thread is quite pointless... its always been obvious gymnasts are straight and trickers arent

[Scooba Dave]

its somewhat tough to keep going straight for certain combos...

ie: btwist > c900 changes the direction (naturally) of a combo by 90 degrees. add stuff before and after and you got a nice L shape combo

or maybe its just when i combo it... but i land btwist facing from where i came...

although, there are other combos i can keep in line

i understand it's hard to keep in a straight line, and most combos that are kept in a straight line either prove that you're good at carrying momentum, or that your good at carrying against momentum haha.

but the point is if your going in all sorts of directions, you should probably slow down and analyze what you're doing, as going in a straight line looks better.
(probably the theme of this thread)

another point to add:

- tumbling requires a 1 mile run up before the round off.. 1 good reason why it's straight. where as tricking is done *usually* stationary..

- round off bhs bhs bhs bhs bhs bhs bhs backtuck vs hook btwist pop flash scoot msl btwist round blah blah whatever.

THERE YOU GO!

[Source]

its always been obvious gymnasts are straight and trickers arent

Ahahahah classic.
On a side note I have a friend that does quarter twists to punch fronts. therefore he can do tumbling passes in a square. not all that hard I guess but pretty entertaining.

[Nathan.P.]

Imo a long combo should look like a fight scene with tricks killing everyone in their path....so it shouldn't be in a straight line (unless your just doing hook c-move hook sweep ect.) but they shouldn't look like the map you have drawn out...thats just sloppy and uncontrolled looking.

[Inkrepid]

Tricksters do more creative and technical transitions so it naturally lends itself to develop into chaos. Especially for things such as...raiz st gainer....you dont have straight linear momentum its circular as well.

[AsoBit]

Looks like you were about to finish off the tricking path with a penis.

[Skilzat85X]

In general combos should flow in a straight line since momentum will be flowing in that line, with major or minor shifts in direction happening just uhh whenever it does.

Typically people want their target to be in the same direction throughout a combo, not to mention it just looks better. It'd be quite goofy if someone was changing combo direction every other trick.
You may notice that the most prominent direction changes usually happen at a point in the combo with a bit of "lag" or when something needs to be forced out, when there's a bit of delay between tricks due to just whatever factor, uncomfortableness or minor stumbling or whatever.

It comes down to a case by case basis really, but in general combos will be most effective and harness the most of the momentum generated by them if they're executed with a particular direction in mind.

[Anonymous]

This looks like the type of thread Sessh would be interested in.

[Reim]

I trick in a spiral mainly. Or fairly side to side.

[Kay]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/tricking.jpg


lol KJER!

[BboyAgua]

I trick like a breakdance usually, or like how I play in the roda in Capoeira. There's a circle to stay in, or try to, and I actually do my best not to move at all. Momentum carry is minimalized.

[TKD_Andy]

haha what does it actually matter that tricking combos dont go in a straight line?

[Flowers]

lol I'm not suggesting one is better than the other. I'm merely just pointing out the differences. (It's also a bit of an exaggeration). Lol David, I'm not implying that at all, that was just the first one I drew. If anything I'm saying the opposite.

The main times that people switch directions majorly in a combo would be after a cork or full or dub back (if your morgan) followed by a hook kick.

[TKD_Andy]

I'm merely just pointing out the differences..

so.... pointless thread then? Sorry man i dont really see the point, i mean 99.9% of the people on the forum will know trickers go side to side and tumbling passes go forwards, hence the difference :eh:

[Flowers]

lol do we really want to discuss pointless threads?

Let the discussion happen. Don't try to kill it just because you already realized something.

[TKD_Andy]

lol do we really want pointless threads?



edited, and the answer is no :good:

i thought being a mod now you were supposed to stop the forum getting filled with crap and pointless threads like this

[Flowers]

lol If I wanted to do that I'd ban you. =)

[Dave]

I also don't get this thread. There's no question just "discuss". This is the discussion.

Yes.


I'm glad we had this talk.

[shengoikee]

shut up towlie

[Skilzat85X]

lol I'm not suggesting one is better than the other. I'm merely just pointing out the differences. (It's also a bit of an exaggeration). Lol
http://www.destinationdoowop.com/thanks-for-the-info.jpg

DANG IT TOWELS!!! DANG IT!!!!!

[Kou]

trickers aren't straight...lawl...

but this is why I like tricking. It's as if we're fighting a hoard of invisible people in the air as fast as we can. Someone needs to invent the tricking equivilant to DDR and have targets in the air for us to hit to a beat of a song lol

[Scooba Dave]

yeah, that'd be pretty gay, Kou. haha

[Kou]

well according to flowers we're not straight

[Scooba Dave]

and what Ben says is law? haha.

the fuck? anyways sorry, just that ddr thing was extremely gay.

[NyCz JeSteR]

hahaha yeaa flowers, exactly how I trick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OICPZ_Y8mjY

[Kou]

hahaha yeaa flowers, exactly how I trick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OICPZ_Y8mjY

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/DamienZshadow/JesterPath.jpg

this is fun...

[Seven]

Haha man, it seems like people are mistaking tricking as a sport with rules. It's simply doing tricks. To me tricking is like being able to create you're own personal dance style, the way you express the trick, fluid/flowing or out of control, the way you perform combos..etc. It's what makes it the ultimate expression of the human body, I believe.

[TKD_Andy]

lol If I wanted to do that I'd ban you. =)

OH NOES!

dont blame me because you're making crappy threads man. Take responsibility.

[Scooba Dave]

i love u now tkd_andy

[Flowers]

hahaha yeaa flowers, exactly how I trick!

OICPZ_Y8mjY


http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j198/towlie2110/jester.jpg

I counted about 10 different times your body spun 360 degrees during that combo

[Kalvin]

You can switch direction in tumbling, in Tye Hill's original video he does like a bhs then turns like an arabian and goes completely different direction. You just dont see this often, probablly cuz direction changes in tumbling would kill all the momentum.

[thereid]

I think trick comboes shouldn't travel at all, because covering distance with a trick means that some of the power and momentum is going into your body traveling and not into the actual trick.

[Flowers]

A cartwheel in the same place wouldn't have as much power as a cartwheel traveling. At least that's how it works out in my head

[Seven]

Traveling makes it fun though. :p

[zambri]

Traveling makes it fun though. :p

not always.. ever see some one travel a whole bunch on a hyper hook while doing the actual move [set up not included] traveling usually kills the power of your moves as mentioned before

[Nuh-Goo-Yen]

Hahah, that diagram was funny as hell.

I think there's some truth in that... because tricking circles fit the crazy non-linear shapes of tricking combos. Tumbling doesn't really have a circle that I know of.

[Seven]

Efficiency in your tricks isn't SO important that you'd wanna stay in place, in most cases it's more visually appealing to move about. Also, this is too technical to apply to everything, think j steps, scoots, cartwheel to frontflip..etc But when it comes to btwists you wanna put the energy into the lift, rather.

I dunno, this discussion is kinda stupid. Do what's best for your style.

[A_Wilhelm]

Tumbling doesn't really have a circle that I know of.

Maybe cartwheel_sideflip circles, but then again they're mostly done by trickers etc.

[Flowers]

Hahah, that diagram was funny as hell.

I think there's some truth in that... because tricking circles fit the crazy non-linear shapes of tricking combos. Tumbling doesn't really have a circle that I know of.

They have those crowded runways at beaches and such. Like at stuntfest

[Seven]

lol..Stuntsters

[Kou]

omg, I have a great idea! Let's try and draw something with our tricks!! I'm so going to take an aerial view of a combo and see if I can make a happy face or something!

[Flowers]

That would actually be pretty bad ass