transitions=cheap?

[ngswipe]

Do u think scoots, tdraiz and cartwheels are cheap ways to pull off a long combo eg: hook-tdraiz-doublecork-hook-cartwheel-doublefull

[Andy R]

hook cart full / front stuff is kinda cheap. but td raiz st is alot harder than it looks.

[Tim Hutchinson]

If you make it look good I'll happily watch you spin on one leg in the middle of your combo

[Flowers]

Not at all. I'm not entirely sure how else you'd transition into a double full without being godly. Would a tdraiz count? Beyond that there aren't that many ways to set for a double full =S

They're part of comboing itself IMO.

[Tim Hutchinson]

Exactly, just like in Shakespeare there's still boring punctuation like commas and quotation marks, it's just a set up for what's coming next.

[dpitlock]

nO..

[Skilzat85X]

How could they be cheap lol.

Sometimes they're necessary.

They're not cheap: they're tools.
And tools, when used right, bring forth marvelous results!

[Augenatic]

oh shit a hook is cheap dont use hook

[gabrielb]

no insane number of hooks are cheap. i hate seeing people who use hook kicks as a crutch...hook, c-720,hook,jacknife,hook,autobahn.

these are combos that can easily be done without the hook...or done with one hook.

a hook shouldnt be a crutch, but a tool to help advance the combo. and if its a weak/sloppy hook it can easily throw off the combo and ur balance.

[Gravityjay]

I dislike it when people do like 2 or 3 scoots in a 7 hit combo.

[Alexx]

i think what he meant was probably overused.

[Augenatic]

no insane number of hooks are cheap. i hate seeing people who use hook kicks as a crutch...hook, c-720,hook,jacknife,hook,autobahn.

these are combos that can easily be done without the hook...or done with one hook.

a hook shouldnt be a crutch, but a tool to help advance the combo. and if its a weak/sloppy hook it can easily throw off the combo and ur balance.

hooks after outside kicks (c720 -> hook -> c900) look bad.
hooks after inside kicks and twists though, look good enough. (tornado -> hook, c720twist -> hook -> c720twist)

[shengoikee]

if half the tricks are scoots the combo is a complete sack of gay

[gabrielb]

hooks after outside kicks (c720 -> hook -> c900) look bad.
hooks after inside kicks and twists though, look good enough. (tornado -> hook, c720twist -> hook -> c720twist)

i agree. the hook isnt nessisary since u have a hook already from the c720..its almost redundant. if u cant go right into the c900 from the c720 i say that ur hook is off and probably throwing ur body line off.

its funny learning a c-1080 has made all my other cheat stuff alot easier.

[Benji]

It's not cheap, even if they overuse transitions. It's all part of how they trick. It may not look great, but it isn't cheating.

[Augenatic]

i agree. the hook isnt nessisary since u have a hook already from the c720..its almost redundant. if u cant go right into the c900 from the c720 i say that ur hook is off and probably throwing ur body line off.


yepp, that's what i mean :tongue:

[gabrielb]

It's not cheap, even if they overuse transitions. It's all part of how they trick. It may not look great, but it isn't cheating.

its hella cheating in my book. because if u use it as a crutch, you cant get into good hard combos because ur relying on it. your gonna have a tendency to use it instead of drilling the hard combo, if u fall u learn how not to fall but if u got a crutch it doesnt necessarily help you learn.

im saying just after a certain point you need to take that hook out. its just as much as cheating as taking a step on a backside 9 and calling it a backside 9. no bitch you just did a tornado kick.

[ngswipe]

i think these transitions are making people become less versatile and extremely dependent on them. I used to see a lot of varieties in terms of doing a cork in samplers: from btwists, raiz, pivot, spin hop, jstep etc. But nowdays, all i see is tdraiz-cork/boxcutter/doublecorks.

[TKD_Andy]

i think what he meant was probably overused.

yeah i know what you mean.

watching videos of certain people you can pretty much predict what their combos are going to be, the most part being raiz/td raiz-cork.

Its like... every combo ends with it, i mean its cool and all but variety is uber win.

saying that though im incredibly repetitive with everything i do haha

[Benji]

its hella cheating in my book. because if u use it as a crutch, you cant get into good hard combos because ur relying on it. your gonna have a tendency to use it instead of drilling the hard combo, if u fall u learn how not to fall but if u got a crutch it doesnt necessarily help you learn.

im saying just after a certain point you need to take that hook out. its just as much as cheating as taking a step on a backside 9 and calling it a backside 9. no bitch you just did a tornado kick.



I disagree. It's not like taking a step on a backside 9 and calling it a backside 9. That's clearly cheating because you are calling your move something it's not. Unless you call your combo something it's not, it's not cheating to throw in a bunch of transitions.

[TKD_Andy]

i guess people just need to find new moves to go into out of the transitions, like a carrythrough from a more traditional transition into something else, or just being innovative and doing something funky.

I'd be far more impressed with someone doing an original yet basic combo than someone who can only do combos that have to end up a certain way or where you can tell exactly what move they're gonna be doing from their transition move.

[Alexx]

i think people just come to the ends of combos/find themselves in positions where they can fall back into these transitions/combo enders because they're most conveniant/first that comes to mind.

thats why its fun to do innovative things from these transitions, cos you can do one and then pull out something completely weird people dont expect

[zambri]

PETER, JUST CAUSE YOUR CHINESE, DON'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING IS CHEAP

[Birch]

i dislike nachos

[Spyder_V]

PETER, JUST CAUSE YOUR CHINESE, DON'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING IS CHEAP

Lawlz.

I've thrown a combo made purely out of transitions haha. But see, the reason why I think a lot of people use the t/d raiz or a scoot is because it's not only decently easy to do, but it also gives you massive amounts of momentum with the s/t. Also, when you scoot, you go down or drop a bit, which gives your combo a bit of variety, especially if you're doing most of your tricks at height. Sweeps can do that too, but you can cork/gainer out of a scoot easier.

[ngswipe]

they make everything become so easy thats why they re cheap =)

[Alexx]

cos they don't require much magic points to perform

[shengoikee]

people need to obtain some more magic points

[gabrielb]

people need to obtain some more magic points

listen fuck u..i dont wanna be going around damn bushes for 2 hours hack n slashes some low lvl monsters, just give me my mp and hp.

[Spyder_V]

listen fuck u..i dont wanna be going around damn bushes for 2 hours hack n slashes some low lvl monsters, just give me my mp and hp.
Gameshark my friend... gameshark.

[TiVo]

To rely on one or two transitions for the next move is horrible but, to use various transitions interchangably is POWER!

[ngswipe]

i find btwist to be my favorite transition

[TiVo]

it's a toughie for me. Props if you do it mid combo or something.

[Spyder_V]

I like good ole raiz, but I think that's also a "cheap" transition =(

[ngswipe]

lol i find doing hypercheat900 and cheat1080 out btwists to be soo effortless

[Scooba Dave]

i think people need to trick however they goddam want,

we may hate seeing 45 scoots in a combo but if they like it good for them lol.

oh ya and my favourite transition.. or most over used, i guess would be.. scoot?

i like doing scoots, not in the middle of a combo, but to start off,
FLOW got me into them :D

but really when you think of it, a transition is something that helps a trick go into another trick, smoothly, so it doesnt look stupid or rough, i wouldnt say its cheap, it would definately be more pleasing to see someone pull off two hard tricks and make them flow without using a transition inbetween.

[gabrielb]

i think people need to trick however they goddam want,

we may hate seeing 45 scoots in a combo but if they like it good for them lol.

oh ya and my favourite transition.. or most over used, i guess would be.. scoot?


its ok to have ur own style and do w/e u want. but their is an expectation that we will judge if ur showing us ur samplers for us to view. if u dont post them on tt or sumtin..fine im not gonna bug out. but if u post on here we are obviously gonna give our own personal critiques.

[mogwai]

seems like a hard combo, and if you did that properbly it would be super nice

[Spyder_V]

its ok to have ur own style and do w/e u want. but their is an expectation that we will judge if ur showing us ur samplers for us to view. if u dont post them on tt or sumtin..fine im not gonna bug out. but if u post on here we are obviously gonna give our own personal critiques.

Haha, in reality, any post is going to get critiqued unless it's one of the more popular people here on the forums or it's some incredible newcomer. Critiques are part of tricking though and that's what's so great about TT. We give people shit and they use the shit we give them to make a shit castle of awesome tricks. It's that simple.

[Alexx]

just do a macaco instead of a scoot.

or a CRAZYJESTER !