How to get enough height for Loser?

[tsuchinoko]

Could someone please explain how to do those 1 legged losers on ground? How do I get enough height to land one?
Thanks!:juji:

[DYoo]

dont throw yourself at the ground. look forward like in an axe to aerial. stall and use your arms.

what a lot of people do when they first learn the move is to throw themselves at the ground...meaning the look at the ground as they jump...look forward and then flip.

[tsuchinoko]

So I need to jump, then stall, tuck tight and land while lifting my arms up and swinging them down?

[BobReturns]

Lynall did a loser tutorial a while ago and sometimes you don't need height because more height on loser/webster type moves means more rotation is required. Use your judgement.

[tsuchinoko]

So I'm guessing you can dip low and jump hard swing that back leg up and flip?

[BobReturns]

So I'm guessing you can dip low and jump hard swing that back leg up and flip?

It's different for everyone. It will depend on how tall you are and how much lift you can get. The loser is different because some need more height then rotation. Others need more height then rotation so decide for yourself. For instance Anis can loser while his head is 4 feet above the ground. Lynall can loser and land almost the same way when the ground gives him a haircut on the way down. It's personal preference.

[tsuchinoko]

Dunka

[mchitti]

Anis does an incredible loser here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qjivdHCrXg
1:06
COPY THAT!

[tsuchinoko]

Anis is the man.

[rwm]

I love this trick, have the same problem though haha, usually land on my back and hands.

[TKD_Andy]

practice practice practice....

thats all it is. Its a combination of stalling and power. Once you get those two in balance it'll just click.

Plus, dont take a MASSIVE step back, that will make you lean over forwards excessively, meaning you have to stall more and adjust the whole timing to cater for it, and its just not worth it.

Losers are awesome :good:

[rwm]

Also, what is the ideal number of steps to take backwards before going into a loser?

[BrandonLenz]

i always thought the loser was something different.

when i first heard of it (right when i started about 5-6 short months ago) i thought it was an axe to frontflip, but the frontflip has an axe kick in the leg that did not kick the first time:

e.g: right leg axe to frontflip, frontflip lands on right leg but uses flipping momentum to do a devastating kick with left leg on the way down.

thats what got me started in tricking, cuz i wanna get that move, and if it doesnt exhist it will be my sig. move.
if it does exhist, please crush my dreams and hopes and aspirations by telling me what it is.

[funaki4]

i always thought the loser was something different.

when i first heard of it (right when i started about 5-6 short months ago) i thought it was an axe to frontflip, but the frontflip has an axe kick in the leg that did not kick the first time:

e.g: right leg axe to frontflip, frontflip lands on right leg but uses flipping momentum to do a devastating kick with left leg on the way down.

thats what got me started in tricking, cuz i wanna get that move, and if it doesnt exhist it will be my sig. move.
if it does exhist, please crush my dreams and hopes and aspirations by telling me what it is.


Whooaaa. I may be wrong but I think you're talking about an Axe2Webster..

EDIT: Is it this move at 21 seconds?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7uAtOCa-llQ

[kamikaze!]

no, thats axe2webster

[TKD_Andy]

Also, what is the ideal number of steps to take backwards before going into a loser?

one.

[Buku]

when i land my websters i land really low and it feels like my shin is about to pop so i stopped trying them

[BrandonLenz]

Whooaaa. I may be wrong but I think you're talking about an Axe2Webster..

yea, i think so, thats really cool.

[saunders]

i land my losers standing consistantly now because i figured out i had to reach moar

and you need high websters, rev aerial etc

[Ryan Sas]

i land my losers standing consistantly now because i figured out i had to reach moar

and you need high websters, rev aerial etc

i can't reverse aerial but can loser and rev atwist all day long. lol


anyhow, for hieght on loser the key (in my experience) is to think of your heel as the ball at the end of a chain. you want to swing that chain so that the ball remains at the end with no slack in the links (meaning you want to drive up with your heel and have your leg relaxed but straight so that the momentum from your swinging leg can affect your stance if you let it). try to keep your knee (the take off leg, not the swing leg) and chest basically in line with a slight bend in that leg. explode upwards off your takeoff leg as your swing leg reaches the top of its circular path of motion. pull your other leg to catch up with your swinging leg and that will help speed up your rotation (unless you're doing it DS style, which is way harder anyways).

i don't tuck mine and i get around just fine.

[saunders]

i can't reverse aerial but can loser and rev atwist all day long.

lol i don't think rev aerial is a necessary prereq but after i learned rev aerial i got losers really easily so i guess rev aerials helps a bit learning losers.

btw aren't you the guy who does those huge loserswitch-axe's? i believe you called them guillotines. they were massive :good:

[Ryan Sas]

lol i don't think rev aerial is a necessary prereq but after i learned rev aerial i got losers really easily so i guess rev aerials helps a bit learning losers.

btw aren't you the guy who does those huge loserswitch-axe's? i believe you called them guillotines. they were massive :good:

lol yeah, the name was a joke, but yeah thats me haha. i still haven't seen anyone else try it, it's not too hard though.

[saunders]

i want to do those haha, i have pretty high websters and losers but i can't websterswitch for shit, any tips for that?

i think guillotine is a cool name even tho it's a joke haha

[Ryan Sas]

i want to do those haha, i have pretty high websters and losers but i can't websterswitch for shit, any tips for that?

i think guillotine is a cool name even tho it's a joke haha

hmm... well i based the idea off the terada grab thing and just applied it to my best move so to speak. since i was "inventing" a move, i really didn't think about what might be a prerequisite, i was just trying to do it. now that you know that, you should know that i did loser switch grab axe before i did a normal loser switch lol. in fact the original move wasn't switched at all; i started switching it because i tore my right acl and didn't want to land on that leg, haha. so honostly man, i have no tips for it because i just did it out of necessity. i'd say just get your loser really high and so easy that you don't have to really think about it. i suppose a webster switch wouldn't hurt either. let me know how it goes though man. :smile:

[saunders]

ok man thanks for the advice, i'll try it tomorrow :D

[Ryan Sas]

cool. here's a vid if it helps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzySvh-T5M8&NR=1

[BobReturns]

MY BALLS :agony:

[900rmk]

I suck at websters, but some how I pulled an Anis once and landed on my face.

When I got up I had to ask my friend what the hell I did.

[MasterSword]

I recently got losers and although they still aren't that great what made me move from landing on my butt to my feet was NOT LOOKING DOWN AT ALL I tried to keep my upper body up and straight for as long as possible and it worked! Hope that helps

[Dave]

A noob trying to learn a loser shouldn't attempt to emulate someone like Anis... that's just stupid. I don't know why people always say to do that, it makes no sense.

That'd be like someone learning to race a rally care watching a video of someone doing it and then just going at 150km in there car around a corner attempting to brake/turn like the pros do. Just no... it's like building a monument, you trick from the bottom up not top to bottom.

[zambri]

A noob trying to learn a loser shouldn't attempt to emulate someone like Anis... that's just stupid. I don't know why people always say to do that, it makes no sense.

That'd be like someone learning to race a rally care watching a video of someone doing it and then just going at 150km in there car around a corner attempting to brake/turn like the pros do. Just no... it's like building a monument, you trick from the bottom up not top to bottom.

im sort of yes and no with you answer, your right they shouldn't go try a double cork after watching one. but when it comes to technique, i would say try to replicate the form and movements of anis's loser. when it comes to technique try to replicate the form sammy v's cheat 9 double, i could go on and on with this but really if your doing a shitty loser i would recommend that you try to do it like anis.

[Dave]

Well they won't be able to and will give up, quit tricking and commit suicide. How the fuck do you sleep at night you sick murdering bastard.

[zambri]

hahaha, i dont any more =[ its hard bro im telling you...

[breykdown]

prodigy told me this, when you kick the leg backwards and jump his exact words were "try to push your ass to the sky, like you're getting buttraped by god"