Me deadlifting from today.

[Kevin Crow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDlfs0AGGB0

[DarkXacreD]

I'm not giving you advice because I'm not very knowledgeable about this stuff, but I do have some questions for anyone else who plans on giving advice:

-What does having the hands on the inside of the legs achieve?

-Is his back not being completely arched a problem that needs to be fixed, or is it just the weight that's bending it as he lifts?

-Do those octagonally shaped weights affect the barbell as it's being lifted at all for you guys? I remember trying to benchpress with weights like that and it felt like the barbell kept trying to roll over my palm (towards my feet) when it was in top position.

[Benji]

Yea I'd say back straighter. But nice lift.

[anfeyd]

Christ that was awful. I understand that these were limit attempts and form will always suffer as a result but here:

1. Why are you pulling sumo? I'm not too fond of sumo but I believe your back angle should be much more vertical from a sumo stance.

2. You're supposed to 'squeeze' the weight off of the ground, not jerk it. This immediately puts your back in an unsafe position. Slowly get into position, lock your back, raise your chest and 'squeeze' the weight.

3. Already mentioned lack of lower back tightness.

4. Once you correct these you should be pulling a lot more as what you are doing is really eliminating a lot of your strength.

5. Really, just pull conventional.

I'm going to sleep i'll comment more later if I have the time

[Kevin Crow]

Yea I'd say back straighter. But nice lift.

Thanks.

Christ that was awful. I understand that these were limit attempts and form will always suffer as a result but here:

1. Why are you pulling sumo? I'm not too fond of sumo but I believe your back angle should be much more vertical from a sumo stance.

2. You're supposed to 'squeeze' the weight off of the ground, not jerk it. This immediately puts your back in an unsafe position. Slowly get into position, lock your back, raise your chest and 'squeeze' the weight.

3. Already mentioned lack of lower back tightness.

4. Once you correct these you should be pulling a lot more as what you are doing is really eliminating a lot of your strength.

5. Really, just pull conventional.

I'm going to sleep i'll comment more later if I have the time

I've never really trained conventional before, that's why I was doing it sumo. I'm going to have to train conventional, because it will make me better at the deadlift.

[Kevin Crow]

Oh by the way, thanks for the tips anfeyd and Benji.

[Kevin Crow]

I did squats today too. I was tired after max deadlifting. I'm working on them though.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSBl6kCu8RU

[Patrik]

STOP KILLING YOUR BACK!
Damn you spread your legs a lot in my eyes, both on the deadlift and squat. From what I've heard (and use) is that you should have your feet a shoulder-width apart approx. That might help you with the form, which needs improvement. And straighten up that back..

[tpvlyrm]

Why is your squat video editted between every rep?

And what anfeyd said about not jerking it off the ground. You lose all your tension and form and will basically suck ass. You can still be explosive but don't be so against the stationary bar. Look at how an olympic lifter breaks the bar off the ground smoothly and then once it's moving they can be all explosive and shit.

[Rahf]

STOP KILLING YOUR BACK!
Damn you spread your legs a lot in my eyes, both on the deadlift and squat. From what I've heard (and use) is that you should have your feet a shoulder-width apart approx. That might help you with the form, which needs improvement. And straighten up that back..

Deadlift-wise, he's not using the wrong starting position since it's a sumo deadlift.

That jerk looks lethal and destructive for thine discs.

[SeanS]

i know nothing of weight training but that deadlift made me kringe when he jerked :\

[TKD_Andy]

Christ that was awful. I understand that these were limit attempts and form will always suffer as a result but here:

1. Why are you pulling sumo? I'm not too fond of sumo but I believe your back angle should be much more vertical from a sumo stance.

2. You're supposed to 'squeeze' the weight off of the ground, not jerk it. This immediately puts your back in an unsafe position. Slowly get into position, lock your back, raise your chest and 'squeeze' the weight.

3. Already mentioned lack of lower back tightness.

4. Once you correct these you should be pulling a lot more as what you are doing is really eliminating a lot of your strength.

5. Really, just pull conventional.

I'm going to sleep i'll comment more later if I have the time

i agree with this entirely.

You're gonna really fuck up your back/shoulders trying to yank that weight off the floor.

also, you're pretty much only using your back, and having the arms on the inside has no benefit if the rest of the technique is shocking.

start with a lighter weight, get the arm position right, get the back position right and lift it off the floor rather than trying to snatch it.

[Patrik]

Deadlift-wise, he's not using the wrong starting position since it's a sumo deadlift.

That jerk looks lethal and destructive for thine discs.

Oh yea, sumo it was. Still looks dangerous :agony:

[Kevin Crow]

STOP KILLING YOUR BACK!
Damn you spread your legs a lot in my eyes, both on the deadlift and squat. From what I've heard (and use) is that you should have your feet a shoulder-width apart approx. That might help you with the form, which needs improvement. And straighten up that back..
Thanks. I'm going to be working on getting my feet closer on deads and squats. I'm going to be training on not jerking so much too.
Why is your squat video editted between every rep?

And what anfeyd said about not jerking it off the ground. You lose all your tension and form and will basically suck ass. You can still be explosive but don't be so against the stationary bar. Look at how an olympic lifter breaks the bar off the ground smoothly and then once it's moving they can be all explosive and shit.
I didn't want the video to go slow (It's already slow as it is lol) That's why I edited it between every rep.

i agree with this entirely.

You're gonna really fuck up your back/shoulders trying to yank that weight off the floor.

also, you're pretty much only using your back, and having the arms on the inside has no benefit if the rest of the technique is shocking.

start with a lighter weight, get the arm position right, get the back position right and lift it off the floor rather than trying to snatch it.

Thanks man for the tips. Actually everybody thanks for the tips! I'm going to be working on both deadlifts and squats a lot! I was so happy I got 405 up though. The last time I attempted 405 I could only get it up half way. Yesterday when I deadlifted 405 pounds two times, my hands didn't bleed either! I was surprised. lol

[Gusch]

Your squatting video is pointless, because you can't see anything of importance. Neither the back-, nor the knee-angle.
The deadlift is just horrible, stop doing that and follow anfeyds sound advice.
How you're doing it in the video is the best way to get a disc herniation or a teared biceps.

[anfeyd]

Your squat:

I can't really tell much from this angle, try to get a 45 degree back/front angle.

However, you are doing something really bad with your hips/lower half and that is shifting your hips laterally during the lift. This can become a really bad habit and it is best to drop the weight and work back up using the correct form. This puts uneven loading on the spine as well as the whole lower half of the body. I'm assuming both of your legs are the same length, if not you need to shim up the one that is shorter. Also check to make sure your feet aren't slightly split (one in front of the other).

Outside of that if you are wearing shoes that can be compressed (ie: tennis shoes) stop wearing them as this may slightly contribute to the problem.

I don't think your feet are too wide--they are fine. Fix that lateral shift immediately--drop the weight, video tape yourself and MAKE SURE you are not doing it by watching the tape or get someone else who knows what to look for watch you during your set. Right now doing the shift probably feels normal which is why you need to rely on a video tape or an outside eye.

[Kevin Crow]

Your squat:

I can't really tell much from this angle, try to get a 45 degree back/front angle.

However, you are doing something really bad with your hips/lower half and that is shifting your hips laterally during the lift. This can become a really bad habit and it is best to drop the weight and work back up using the correct form. This puts uneven loading on the spine as well as the whole lower half of the body. I'm assuming both of your legs are the same length, if not you need to shim up the one that is shorter. Also check to make sure your feet aren't slightly split (one in front of the other).

Outside of that if you are wearing shoes that can be compressed (ie: tennis shoes) stop wearing them as this may slightly contribute to the problem.

I don't think your feet are too wide--they are fine. Fix that lateral shift immediately--drop the weight, video tape yourself and MAKE SURE you are not doing it by watching the tape or get someone else who knows what to look for watch you during your set. Right now doing the shift probably feels normal which is why you need to rely on a video tape or an outside eye.

I hope one of my legs aren't shorter than the other! lol They don't seem to be when I'm doing hamstring stretches... Is it bad if one of my legs is slightly shorter than the other one?

Next time I squat I'm going to do two plates a side, to try and correct the body shift. And thanks again for the tips! They are a big help.

[Kevin Crow]

Oh, am I going down low enough on squats?

[Patrik]

Oh, am I going down low enough on squats?

Go as low as you can as long you have good form.

[Casper]

That jerk looks lethal and destructive for thine discs.

was about to say the same thing

[Nicholai]

5. Really, just pull conventional.

I agree. Fuck sumo.

[Ashtar]

What does having the hands on the inside of the legs achieve?It allows you to have a wide stance (which slightly alters muscle recruitment to adductors or some shit) and lets your arms grab it straight down. With arms on the outside, they go at a bit of an angle meaning you need to use more RoM to pick it up.

Is his back not being completely arched a problem that needs to be fixed, or is it just the weight that's bending it as he lifts?I can't say for sure, from what I've read it's more problematic having a curve in the lumbar than it is in the thoracic. It looks kind of in the middle in the vid so I can't really say... but yeah obviously heavy weight causes back to round, but that can be a problem.

Do those octagonally shaped weights affect the barbell as it's being lifted at all for you guys? I remember trying to benchpress with weights like that and it felt like the barbell kept trying to roll over my palm (towards my feet) when it was in top position.Probably more of an issue in pressing stuff than it'd be in pulling stuff. The weight isn't going to be totally even so maybe at times it wants to roll.

[shengoikee]

hahaha! DUDE

wow

incredibly poor form. you're going to hurt yourself pretty bad if you carry on lifting like that. :dead:

[tpvlyrm]

not having round discs must be crap for aligning the bar before you start a lift, surely? I've never used them myself, but I get the impression that they'd be really awkward.

[Nicholai]

not having round discs must be crap for aligning the bar before you start a lift, surely? I've never used them myself, but I get the impression that they'd be really awkward.

They are. Used them once and hated them.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

HAHA! OH SHIT! That deadlift is one of the most entertaining I've seen,almost more than Frank Yang's,yes,listen to everybody here!

[chicanerous]

not having round discs must be crap for aligning the bar before you start a lift, surely? I've never used them myself, but I get the impression that they'd be really awkward.

They aren't nearly as bad as people make them out to be. I trained with them for a few years.

[vasek]

STOP KILLING YOUR BACK!


dude seriously , after a while u are going to have back problems , dont lift more than your body weight if u wana have good back.. thats my advice:bandit::wink:

[chicanerous]

dude seriously , after a while u are going to have back problems , dont lift more than your body weight if u wana have good back.. thats my advice:bandit::wink:
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[Triso]

-Do those octagonally shaped weights affect the barbell as it's being lifted at all for you guys? I remember trying to benchpress with weights like that and it felt like the barbell kept trying to roll over my palm (towards my feet) when it was in top position.

I don't think so, but even if the weight roll, I don't think that the barbell itself would roll.

[compleks]

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That's his advice, Chic!

[tdmonster]

dude seriously , after a while u are going to have back problems , dont lift more than your body weight if u wana have good back.. thats my advice:bandit::wink:

Well thats some of the stupidest shit I've read today.

[Rahf]

The barbell never rolls if the ball bearing is intact and spinning like it should.

[Counterfeit Soda]

dude seriously , after a while u are going to have back problems , dont lift more than your body weight if u wana have good back.. thats my advice:bandit::wink:

I hope you die.

[Anima]

Get a hair cut, and lift weights properly. lol.

[Hyourinmaru]

ohh..
im glad thats not my lower back.
hah..

[vasek]

I hope you die.

well watever , i just said if he want to have problems with his back > keep lifting like he does now.. :wicked:

[Rob]

No, you said "don't life more than your body weight if you don't want a bad back" or something along those lines, which is an inacurate opinion that you have based on nothing.

[Nicholai]

dont lift more than your body weight if u wana have good back.. thats my advice:bandit::wink:

Thanks for the tip.

[Peleke]

dude seriously , after a while u are going to have back problems , dont lift more than your body weight if u wana have good back.. thats my advice:bandit::wink:

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I was going to make a statement before I saw that Chic had already accurately communicated my sentiments.

That is all.

EDIT: Haha any decent reason as to why you offer this advice?

[Ashtar]

dont lift more than your body weight if u wana have good back.. thats my advice:bandit::wink:This wouldn't be as bad if you meant in a one-legged deadlift or squat...

[stephenkjs]

Here's my advice, Kevin Crow:

When squating, start by pushing your hips straight back, then start to lower the rest of your body. Make sure your knees don't protrude past your toes. As for how low to go, there is no limit, as Patrik said, as long as your thighs are at least parallel to the floor (which they definitely are in your vid). Keep your head up; i.e. facing straight ahead, chest out, and back naturally arched.

You should post a vid with the camera on side of you so everybody can get a better idea of your form.

That's my advice, take it if you want.

[Honken]

Your knees protrude your toes in everyday movements. It's just one of those squat myths that won't die.

[shengoikee]

if you have major difficulties with squats you can always spread your feet slightly wider, elevate your heels slightly or just point your toes outwards slightly. it really doesn't matter as long as you're bending from the hip and knee simultaneously and using the glutes.