learn stationary kicks.

[gabrielb]

whats up with people who have been tricking for a while still doing running 540's and running sideswipes...and basic tricks. Not good for your tricks and kills your momentum to bigger stuff. I mean its coo if ur a beginner, somehow kids always got this idea to do running 540's when u start learning them..dunno why but i see alot of people continue to do them.

running tricks that should be learned standing

-540
-720 and above both cheats and pops
-hooks...yeah ive seen clips of running hooks..dont ask


i saw a dude do a running hook pop 900..wtf? and it made it look ugly..hes got some good kicks but it really kills it. i dont wanna put him personally on blast, but u know who u are.

i'm not making this post to be an elitist of anykind. because the people i see who do them, are good, but they can be sooo much better if they can learn them from a standing. it opens up alot more options in terms of using ur mometum for other bigger tricks or longer combos. BELIEVE IT!

[Jon P]

OR NOT!
http://media.bonnint.net/az/2/248/24820.jpg

[gabrielb]

i figured people would hate on the thought. but posted anyways.

[Jon P]

haha I am not hating on your thought. =D
I agree, people should not do running hook kicks or cheat moves.

[gabrielb]

scoree.

[Ewasiuk]

Most wushu jumps are done running and they are done beautifully.

[gabrielb]

Most wushu jumps are done running and they are done beautifully.

theirs a whole different methodoligy for that kinda thing. u get more power and momentum for jumps running than standing. hence why most basketball players come in running, one to get past the defenders but also because he will have more ups due to the run.

but im talking kicks not jumps. if ur doing a jump hook kick...well its totally fine to run....unless u doing long ass rediculous run..like sum people do for double legs that are totally unnessisary but thats a whole diff rant all together. im just talking kicks here.

[Ewasiuk]

Yeah. Whirlwind, lotus, and butterfly kicks are done great by wushu athletes.

[gabrielb]

Yeah. Whirlwind, lotus, and butterfly kicks are done great by wushu athletes.

i dunno what the first two are but i have a feeling dont relate to what im actually discussing.

[Ewasiuk]

Whirlwind kicks are tornado kicks with added rotations. Lotus kicks are jumping outside cresent kicks with added rotations.

[gabrielb]

whirlwind kick=540 gyro

lotus=360 gyro

and if ur going for that kinda stuff thats totally fine to run into it. what im discussing is more basic stuff that doesnt need to be done running and its clear most tricksters arent going for a wushu style when they do the tricks.

[FatTricks]

they can be sooo much better if they can learn them from a standing.

How would standing make them better? On a side note, with bflip, I first learned them after a roundoff. Once I learned standing, I couldn't do it with a roundoff anymore. WHY? Because of TOO much momentum. Which brings me to...

it opens up alot more options in terms of using ur mometum for other bigger tricks or longer combos. BELIEVE IT!


umm....I think running would translate into momentum.






I prefer to due sideswipes from a run. It comes out much quicker, and it's much loftier. Plus I'm a heavyweight, and in my opinion, it's much more impressive/scary to see someone of my build flying/soaring thru the air.

[gabrielb]

How would standing make them better? On a side note, with bflip, I first learned them after a roundoff. Once I learned standing, I couldn't do it with a roundoff anymore. WHY? Because of TOO much momentum. Which brings me to...

umm....I think running would translate into momentum.

I prefer to due sideswipes from a run. It comes out much quicker, and it's much loftier. Plus I'm a heavyweight, and in my opinion, it's much more impressive/scary to see someone of my build flying/soaring thru the air.

when u run into tricks running forward, say hook pop 900 its such an akward position that unless u got a perfect pop 9 most likely ur going to be leaning forward causeing ur mometum to go downward killing it. as opposed to a standing 900, you have more control of the momentum and can have more of a say where its going.

well i prefer a powerful sideswipe over a quick one...quicker doesnt always mean stronger.

ur running into things because its easier that way..if u learned to do tricks stationary it would mean u have alot better control and are stronger from drilling it from standing. yeah it will take longer to learn but the benifits are great. you will always have those options in running but now ur even more versatile in standing.

[Anima]

You don't look to fat... lol.

[Anima]

Also I do pop 720s from a run, ish. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jD2-b3OhfQ

Now I don't know, but that's awfully similar to a run haha. It gets me an insane amount of momentum.


(oh and by the way, I'm not trying to say my kicks are as good as Daves haha.)

[gabrielb]

im not saying running is bad..well for certain kicks its bad. but learn standing stuff..be versatile..have options.

also i liked ur kicks. though the hooks tend to swipe down a bit instead of across.

[Tocano]

Running can be a good way to generate height. But most noobs do it wrong and it looks stupid. It'd be cool to see someone use a wushu style setup to get more power for difficult kicks like 1080s. Not sure if it would really work that well though...

[gabrielb]

Running can be a good way to generate height. But most noobs do it wrong and it looks stupid. It'd be cool to see someone use a wushu style setup to get more power for difficult kicks like 1080s. Not sure if it would really work that well though...

well most would be doing it blind since alot of people dont understand the mechanics of why jumping into certain moves is good and why it isnt. unless they studied it for a bit..which wouldnt be that surprising since alot of tricksters are inquisitive people.

but why do a running hook pop 9 when u can do just a pop 9..the hook isnt helping you. it either is doing nothing or actually hurting the move.

[WilliamT]

I don't like when people run/take a huge hop into their c7twists, because it's not like they would do that for a raiz.

[Jon P]

Running is bad in tricking only because a lot of our stances / steps are based on TKD and Karate stances [jumping into a tornado out of a relaxed back stance]...as opposed to wushu stances.
You don't see too many tricksters doing wushu style 540 kicks / steps [running and jumping into a tornado out of a horse stance].
Plus tricking is focused a lot on combos, so running isn't practical for us because we try to connect moves with as little movement inbetween as possible.

[gabrielb]

I don't like when people run/take a huge hop into their c7twists, because it's not like they would do that for a raiz.

i dunno what to say about that move..because danny g does a huge hop..and his c720twist is fucking epic. so on that move not sure what to say.

[Jon P]

cheat 720 twists are always better with no run.
If Danny did his cheat 720 twist with no run imagine how much more epic it would look.
The height and power he has, I am sure it would be crazy no matter the takeoff.

[WilliamT]

yeah Danny G is epicly awesome and I'm not trying to be offensive toward him.

It's just that the big run/skip setup people use for c7twist makes it pretty predictable.

[TKD_Andy]

haha yet another thread bitching about how people do their tricks.

Fuck other people, do what you want and stop complaining :good:

[shengoikee]

btwist setup hook kicks ftl haha

[TimmyC]

lotus=360 gyro

I thought lotus kick in Wushu is this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_AWtGAVHy1w

At least, that's how I learned it. Lotus gyro looks a bit different from 360 gyro since it's a more like a stepover move.

[gabrielb]

I thought lotus kick in Wushu is this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_AWtGAVHy1w

At least, that's how I learned it. Lotus gyro looks a bit different from 360 gyro since it's a more like a stepover move.

oh from his description it sounded like a 360 gyro.

TKD_Andy: w/e its a forum i can do w/e i want and i knew u were gonna bitch. and i dont care. i'm putting this out there cuz i think it will help people out if they actually take the time to read the thread. im not attacking people, i'm giving suggestions and giving examples why its better and helps them out.

[[RozoN]]

cheat 720 twists are always better with no run.
If Danny did his cheat 720 twist with no run imagine how much more epic it would look.
The height and power he has, I am sure it would be crazy no matter the takeoff.
Not rly...Think about it. Would dan land a c1080twist if he didn't run into it? Probably not...

And tbh, I tried both standing and hop step sideswipes and both have their pros and cons. The standing setup sideswipes are quicker and it's easier to stall them, while hop step sideswipes are floaty and feel and look more powerfull and bigger.

Edit: I actually do all my cheat stuff from stand still, but that's because I don't have the balls to try a c720twist from a hop haha...I'll eventually end up trying it though...

[gabrielb]

;1000109']Not rly...Think about it. Would dan land a c1080twist if he didn't run into it? Probably not...

thats different, he needs that momentum to get up and spin fast enough to land. i even bet in time with more practice and getting comfortable with the move..that cyborg will be able to do it standing.

i feel the opposite about sideswipe, that my standing feels more powerful and more controlled.

[[RozoN]]

thats different, he needs that momentum to get up and spin fast enough to land. i even bet in time with more practice and getting comfortable with the move..that cyborg will be able to do it standing.

i feel the opposite about sideswipe, that my standing feels more powerful and more controlled.

Well, actually when I preform hop sideswipes, I feel like there's very few things I can change e.g.: height, power, speed etc.. It feels like I'm mostly traveling in a fixed motion, no matter what I try. I haven't done them that often really.

So my standing ones feel much more comfortable too, but I think it's just pure matter of how much you do of this one vs the other one....

[gabrielb]

;1000121']
So my standing ones feel much more comfortable too, but I think it's just pure matter of how much you do of this one vs the other one....

true.

[BboyAgua]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w59/bboyagua/habeebit.jpg

RIPLEY'S HABEEB IT OR NOT?!

[Anima]

im not saying running is bad..well for certain kicks its bad. but learn standing stuff..be versatile..have options.

also i liked ur kicks. though the hooks tend to swipe down a bit instead of across.

I've improved my hooks a lot since releasing any videos haha. So I've pretty much fixed that problem =)

[gabrielb]

I've improved my hooks a lot since releasing any videos haha. So I've pretty much fixed that problem =)

sick. cant wait to see ur next vid.

[Anima]

I was planning on releasing one in a few weeks, but my PC sucks haha. Expect one next year XD

[saunders]

they can be sooo much better if they can learn them from a standing. it opens up alot more options in terms of using ur mometum for other bigger tricks or longer combos.

i do pretty much all of my tricks from standing, or at least, i learn them that way. doing them like that gives me more control. for example i learned btwist s/ts from standing, and i still do them like that with no problems. atm i'm trying to learn hyperhooks from standing

i dont really care how ppl do their setups, but i prefer no run-ups or whatsoever for my moves, control>momentum. besides it really teaches you to put full power in your moves, and in the end it helps a great deal when combo-ing.

plus i'm pretty much physically retarded when it comes to using runups haha, they kill my momentum lolz

[Ewasiuk]

I thought lotus kick in Wushu is this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_AWtGAVHy1w

At least, that's how I learned it. Lotus gyro looks a bit different from 360 gyro since it's a more like a stepover move.

That one is just called a RTKBL(running teng kong ba lian) or running lotus kick 360 degrees.

oh from his description it sounded like a 360 gyro

A lotus gyro is very hard to do while running. Lotus kicks with extra rotations are usually done with a step or stationary.

[Skilzat85X]

Screw stationary pop kicks.

Everything else is game.

[kinetic]

Yeah i agree with all but standing pop kicks.