Illusion Cork = Shuriken Cork?

[Dark Twista]

Yes, no?

Whats the difference?

[Skippy]

I've never heard of an illusion cork.

edit: after some examining, the only difference I could somewhat notice if there is any, is a shuriken cork has to have the landing leg piked all through, where as the illusion would only need to have the leg coming out on the last half of the rotation, therefore you'd be able to spot a target and kick it

I am probably, wrong =]

[TKD_Andy]

no.

for the same reasons that illusion twists and shuriken twists are different.

i dont think you could do an illusion cork, it'd either be a moonkick landed on both feet or a boxcutter landing on both feet.

[Augenatic]

Man, a boxcutter landed on both feet is a doublecork illusion ^_^. Shuriken = inverted crescent in twist
illusion = 360 from x. setup

[Skippy]

The two I used to compare for this was this one

illusion cork

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=etm1W1csL0I&feature=related

shuriken cork

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nJHqKKAqni4

I've noticed in other shuriken corks too the leg that does pike out indeed stays piked all the way through, but the other illusion cork I looked at also seemed to have this target spotting thing

[joepaxton]

The two I used to compare for this was this one

illusion cork

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=etm1W1csL0I&feature=related

shuriken cork

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nJHqKKAqni4

I've noticed in other shuriken corks too the leg that does pike out indeed stays piked all the way through, but the other illusion cork I looked at also seemed to have this target spotting thing

There both shurikens really...

[tricker383]

joe is right, he is always right (shakes fist in your general direction)

[joepaxton]

Haha

[Hyourinmaru]

look at a shurikenbtwist, and a illusion twist...
imagine a corkscrew.. with those "landings" implimented.. and you'll know what the difference is..

[Scooba Dave]

Man, a boxcutter landed on both feet is a doublecork illusion ^_^. Shuriken = inverted crescent in twist
illusion = 360 from x. setup
way to complicate things :good:


to my understanding, a shuriken is just a hyper illusion (i only know this about btwists though), but i dont think an illusion can be applied from a cork, it'd just be a ktm or some shit.

[jan]

Since 2001, I've called things the following way:

Bkick - btwist - btwist round (twistkick)

Illusion kick - illusion twist - illusion twist round (whirlwind)

Cork - Illusion cork - illusion cork round (whirlwind cork)


Then Ben Brown's sampler came out (2004?), and he started calling his illusion twists; "shuriken twist" because he didn't dip (according to himself on the bilang forum, iirc), and he kicked an outside crescent-ish kick in the middle of it (which is what an illusion twist originally was, according to everyone and all vids on bilang.com). After that, people started getting confused over wtf was a shuriken and what was an illusion (just like Terada's webmaster called cheat720twist a 540twist, so noobs got confused over what was a cheat720twist and what was a 540twist, when 540twist was in reality just an old school non-tabletopped cork). Then everyone started calling stuff shuriken instead of illusion, because shuriken sounds cooler.

[Skippy]

Jan, your own personal online trickipedia

[Dark Twista]

I agree, Go jan!

[TKD_Andy]

Then Ben Brown's sampler came out (2004?), and he started calling his illusion twists; "shuriken twist" because he didn't dip (according to himself on the bilang forum, iirc), and he kicked an outside crescent-ish kick in the middle of it (which is what an illusion twist originally was, according to everyone and all vids on bilang.com). After that, people started getting confused over wtf was a shuriken and what was an illusion (just like Terada's webmaster called cheat720twist a 540twist, so noobs got confused over what was a cheat720twist and what was a 540twist, when 540twist was in reality just an old school non-tabletopped cork). Then everyone started calling stuff shuriken instead of illusion, because shuriken sounds cooler.

i think theres a bit more to it than that.

if you're saying that BB is doing a different move than an illusion twist (which he is), you need to look at all the different characteristics of how he does it compared to an illusion twist. There are a few notable differences in the way he does his shuriken twist and how everyone else does illusion twists.

[shengoikee]

i think it's pretty much common sense to know the difference between the two haha

[Siphin]

an illusion cork is like a moonkick landed on 2 feet

[Ambitrixterous]

Wow, some weird stuff in here! & I find Jan's post on Ben's perspective pretty interesting...

currently:

-Illusion(twist): The "illusion" in the illusion twist is that you are performing a Btwist. Hence, you will start out dipping (as in a Btwist) and turning and lifting the first leg behind you, however once you actually takeoff you are performing a "lotus kick" aka "hyper stepover hook," aka "hyper swingthru 720" which is a vert kick. Like a 360kick, it can be landed on the kicking leg or both at the same time.

-Illusion Kick: does not exist.

-Illusion cork: would not exist because it would follow the same rules as an illusion twist, except that if you start out like a cork you will be starting out like any swing kick before performing the exact same lotus/hyper stepover hook.

-Shuriken(twist/cork): A horizontal trick that includes a hypered hook kick upon landing. In other words, you actually do start the Btwist or cork and right yourself early in order to perform the hypered kick upon landing (generally creating a -90 degree angular/target change).

[jan]

Well, trickbusters, Kelly Magovern, Logan, most (and by most I mean 90+%) of the old bilang forum went by what I wrote (bilang was my old TT.com, and I still talk to a lot of people from that forum, who agree with me).

Illusion and butterfly were two separate categories, in which illusion kick was the illusion equivalent of butterfly kick, and illusion twist was the illusion equivalent of butterfly twist. It makes sense. Bkick - ikick, btwist - itwist.

Saying butterfly kick - illusion twist (though there is no twist), butterfly twist - shuriken twist, makes less sense to me though. There isn't just an illusion and butterfly category, now there's a twisty move that doesn't have a twist, a butterfly category and a shuriken-named move as well. Bkick - itwist, btwist - stwist.

Wtflolzomgrollerskatez.

It's just a matter of what seems obvious, and we always went by those terms. I never even heard of "shuriken" until Ben Brown's sampler. A lot of us (the board) didn't even think he did a new move. Just because he kicked harder, didn't dip (but rather went to the side) and did it more "martial artsy" didn't mean it deserved a whole new name. Timpa should've gotten his back-kick 540hook named something totally differently too then, as he's actually doing a back-kick instead of a wheelkick/hook, not just an outside crescent with a snap instead of an outside crescent. (And by totally different, I mean something as radical as from illusion to shuriken.)

[J-Slide]

id say an illusion cork is rather an gainerarabian with more of a twist affect look ... if aything, cork shurkien is like a shuriken twis toyu come out witht his straight leg

[jan]

I would come out with his straight leg.

[basics007]

:o
http://trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42259