So, this thread will probably provoke some awesome flamage or some awesome gay jokes.

[Chichi]

But is anyone else on TT a vegetarian?

[Counterfeit Soda]

I hope not.

[Chichi]

I hope not.

HEY, that wasn't AWESOME.

[Casper]

i'm not

if you' don't eat meat you're gay!

[WonderRaZ]

If you wasn't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?:eh:

[zambri]

Are you vegetarian or a full out vegan?

[Cory]

I was for a few months, but i decided to go back to eating meat. And juji spammed my inbox with pictures of meat...

[Benji]

Yet another reason why I hate you.

[tuareg]

And juji spammed my inbox with pictures of meat...

haha excellent.

[Lord Nirmal]

I am... I try to make up for it by aborting more chickens (teh eggs galore).

[Hapkidoka]

Your mom doesn't eat meat... but she sure likes teh bone.


Fake edit: There are some pescaterians lurking around these forums... but one of them in particular, if it is a moonless night, you can't see him unless he smiles.

[Phil D]

I was for a few months, but i decided to go back to eating meat. And juji spammed my inbox with pictures of meat...

hahahah thats fantastic!!!

[TKD_Andy]

is there actually a scientifically sound reason for not eating meat?

[Phil D]

is there actually a scientifically sound reason for not eating meat?

a boy i went to school with was actually allergic to meat (or so he said..)

[shengoikee]

it's arguably beneficial, but i doubt it haha

[TKD_Andy]

what's the actual benefit though? Nobody's ever really given me a proper reason why.

All people have ever said to me is the hippy bullshit haha

[AndyD11]

i have nothing wrong with people being vegetarians. I was considering doing it for a bit, just to try it out. I mean yea i like meat but going vegetarian for a bit might help me expand upon my diet and find new different foods that i would not have ate before.

I think as long as you are still getting the same amount of nutrients into your system there is nothing wrong with it. Perhaps even healthier due to not having as much fat in your diet (this is a guess).

But yea, i still might try it some time.

[Scooba Dave]

mike and john maguire dont eat meat,

luu is vegan,


fake edit: actually mike maguire just doesnt eat red meat i think.

[Caveman]

I think as long as you are still getting the same amount of nutrients into your system there is nothing wrong with it.

Yes as long as you get the required nutrients it's fine, however most vegetarians don't and tend to lack in protein and iron, making them the typical skinny-fat figure you associate with them.

Perhaps even healthier due to not having as much fat in your diet (this is a guess).

Damn the fact that fats are part of a healthy balanced diet...

[joepaxton]

I could'nt live without meat!

We are meat, it would be ok if I were a leaf but I'm not

[Steve]

is there actually a scientifically sound reason for not eating meat?

Yes, if you have no teeth then it is very hard to eat meat without choking.

[zambri]

cavemen only ate meat!

if you don't eat meat then you are not a man, which in turn means you have a vagina which makes you a girl! a girl, not even a woman so you don't even have titties! therefore meat wins again!

[Lord Nirmal]

Yes and the cavemen are still thriving...
I think the reasons are to avoid hurting animals and the environment (which is probably what you meant when you said hippy BS)
I'm not gonna advocate being a vegetarian though... Just the other day I out buying groceries and I saw a can of tuna and picked it up, and was like, "Holy shit, so much protein, hardly any fat or carbs". I find it very difficult to find high protein low fat food...

[-Envy-]

How do you get B-12?

Eh. Eating meat is too essential to my lifestyle for me to even consider giving it up. Given that I've seen not one good argument for vegetarianism, I guess it's ok.

[compleks]

I don't eat nearly as much meat these days as I used to.

[chicanerous]

I just had two steaks and made sure to keep them nice and bloody. :good:

(So no.)

[Chichi]

DAMN. Well, I guess I'll have to adjust to being one of the 3% of TT members who don't eat meat, just like I'm one of the 3% that don't hate african americans *Sigh*

[Phil D]

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h68/clusion7721/steak.jpg

[Papa Lazarou]

We are meat, it would be ok if I were a leaf but I'm not


Cellulose gorilla!

[Skippy]

http://www.totaldiatribe.com/img/chewieshark.jpg

Real predators aren't vegetarian, why should you be?

[Neil]

Why is that shark eating my brother? :agony: Fuck being a vegetarian there is no advantages of it at all! Why take supplements for if you can just eat meat and get all the nutrients you need.

[Papa Lazarou]

Ethics zomg. We've done this before.

If you want to play philosophy, it's basically up to the meat eater to justify why it's ok to kill animals for food, but not ok kill humans.

And jokes won't let you off the hook. If you want to be "right" you'd better justify it.

[Neil]

Because the human is the most powerful animal on earth and that is the only reason why human can kill animals. I am sure if there were more tigers in the world than humans then they would eat the humans. But the fact is that humans can eat anything as we have the power to do so.

Humans do kill humans have you ever heard of a thing called war? If you didn't know that people kill people then you must be stupid the reason we don't eat humans is because the thought of it it horrible!

[Tossman]

If you want to play philosophy, it's basically up to the meat eater to justify why it's ok to kill animals for food, but not ok kill humans.

I'll play philosophy.
"Killing" can be defined as "ending life". Where would you like to draw the line? Is it okay to kill plants then? How about microbes? If you don't want to kill, hold your breath, your killing millions of airborne microbes with each breath. But then...if your don't breath, you'd kill yourself...so that goes against the killing humans thing again... What a dilemma!

[Caveman]

Let's not be philosophical about this, being vegetarian is horrendously gay.

[Shadow5217]

I wonder if there are any canibals on TT O.O

[Papa Lazarou]

Just realised I should make it clear that I'm not having a go at anyone for eating meat or having (as yet) unjustified opinions. I just find these questions interesting.

Because the human is the most powerful animal on earth and that is the only reason why human can kill animals.
We can so we should?

Humans do kill humans have you ever heard of a thing called war?
Of course I have. "Don't kill" is just a rule of thumb for most people.


I'll play philosophy.
"Killing" can be defined as "ending life". Where would you like to draw the line? Is it okay to kill plants then? How about microbes? If you don't want to kill, hold your breath, your killing millions of airborne microbes with each breath. But then...if your don't breath, you'd kill yourself...so that goes against the killing humans thing again... What a dilemma!
Only a dilemma if "don't kill humans" is an absolute rule.

Also, just because a conclusion is distasteful (e.g., "you'd have to kill yourself"), doesn't mean the argument is flawed.

I think "how much and when is it OK to kill?" is a pretty interesting question - and one that most people can't answer consistently. Definitely most don't have a good answer off the top of their head like for some questions.

Anyway, I think I have a justification for eating meat at least. I won't go in to it now, because I want to sleep and I'm not sure anyone here thinks it needs justifying, but I might post it later.

Thanks for playing philosophy with me Tossman :tongue:

[Neil]

We can so we should?



Yes.

[Papa Lazarou]

*Flees*

[Tim Hutchinson]

I'm a vegetarian :good:

[Skippy]

Why? not as in "what's the fucking point" but is there any reason in particular you are?

[Shadow5217]

Meat is good

[Steve]

I try not to eat steak due to it not tasting very good

London broil is acceptable

[compleks]

Who cares if someone does or doesn't eat meat...

[tuareg]

chichi and juji.

[Chichi]

It's not about killing, it's about UNNECESSARY killing. I can survive AND get everything my body needs from a vegetarian diet. Nobody has to die for that. And yeah, if I'm stranded with a live pig on and island that has no vegetation, then FUCK YEAH I'll eat that pig. But right now, I don't have to, so I won't. Also, I challenge you to watch PETA's "Meet your Meat" video on youtube, start to finish, then comfortably eat meat straight after. If you can pull that off, you're HARDCORE.

[Chichi]

Also, ONE MORE THING. I've never denied that eating meat if perfectly natural, and that nature was set up for that. But since when does natural=right? Serial killers have NATURAL urges to kill and paedophiles have NATURAL urges to molest pre-pube kids. Do you consider THAT to be the right thing to do? Morals based on carnal desires contradict themselves. (Really trying to stay serious here. Really.)

[Swartz]

Who cares if someone does or doesn't eat meat...

Yes. I for one only care about what I eat.

[chicanerous]

Also, ONE MORE THING. I've never denied that eating meat if perfectly natural, and that nature was set up for that. But since when does natural=right? Serial killers have NATURAL urges to kill and paedophiles have NATURAL urges to molest pre-pube kids. Do you consider THAT to be the right thing to do? Morals based on carnal desires contradict themselves. (Really trying to stay serious here. Really.)
Oh I don't know
Why you're not fair
I give you my love
But you don't care
So what is right
And what is wrong
Gimme a sign

Disregarding whether the examples you listed are natural phenomena, nature cannot contradict morality because it is not subject to it. Right and wrong are constructions of the human mind.

(Before the teenage philosophers start crawling out of the woodwork: I am not implying that humans should act without regard to morality, but merely pointing out one of the flaws in the broader argument presented here. Also, fuck you.)

[compleks]

Ah philosophy...

[AndyLeTerrible]

i like chichi's points and people who try to unjustify them do so because of selfishness

[Caveman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXOpQxL5f0

[Tossman]

Also, I challenge you to watch PETA's "Meet your Meat" video on youtube, start to finish, then comfortably eat meat straight after. If you can pull that off, you're HARDCORE.

Do you realise that PETA base their arguments on bent facts, pseudo-science, and partial truths? There's a lot more to the meat industry than what PETA tells you. I've been to the PETA website to formally review it. When I cross referenced their sources, their information was dubious at best. PETA is an extremist organisation, made up of non-scientific people.They're not to be trusted and if you watch/read their material and believe any of it, you need some proper education.

I would watch this "Meet your Meat" show, but I know that as an animal scientist, it'll piss me off to no end. But, what I would like you to tell me is a few things mentioned by PETA in this show, and I'll hopefully put it into context with some strong science behind it. Then maybe, you'll feel a little better about eating meat.

*End rant*

EDIT: Oh another thing. I don't care if your a vegetarian, but I hope you're at least a vegetarian for the right reasons.

[tuareg]

But since when does natural=right? Serial killers have NATURAL urges to kill and paedophiles have NATURAL urges to molest pre-pube kids. Do you consider THAT to be the right thing to do?

yeah that's not the same thing.

[shengoikee]

how the fuck is paedophilia a natural urge?

that's like saying every person who goes crazy was naturally destined to do so haha

[Phil D]

the more vegetarians there are, the more meat left for me:good:

[Papa Lazarou]

Paedophilia is natural by any practical definition of the word.

His point was that "natural =/= right". Which is completely true, and very obvious.

[tuareg]

yes, paedophilia is a form of sexual orientation, so it can be taken as natural.

[shengoikee]

it's not really a form of sexual orientation. it's a fucking mental illness.

[tuareg]

haha true.

i can see paedophiles being attracted to more mature females/males, so it might not be sexual orientation after all.

[Papa Lazarou]

"Illness" is a fairly subjective term in many ways. (no paedo)

[Chichi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXOpQxL5f0 I fucking love GWAR :tongue:

Oh I don't know
Why you're not fair
I give you my love
But you don't care
So what is right
And what is wrong
Gimme a sign

Disregarding whether the examples you listed are natural phenomena, nature cannot contradict morality because it is not subject to it. Right and wrong are constructions of the human mind.

(Before the teenage philosophers start crawling out of the woodwork: I am not implying that humans should act without regard to morality, but merely pointing out one of the flaws in the broader argument presented here. Also, fuck you.)

Well that is the most common argument I'm getting, all I said is I don't believe that just because it's natural or more convenient to eat meat, it doesn't mean I have to. I believe in defining your own existence. I'm not going to let people, events or nature decide what I am to do with by life. Fuck fate, I believe in choice O_O

Do you realise that PETA base their arguments on bent facts, pseudo-science, and partial truths? There's a lot more to the meat industry than what PETA tells you. I've been to the PETA website to formally review it. When I cross referenced their sources, their information was dubious at best. PETA is an extremist organisation, made up of non-scientific people.They're not to be trusted and if you watch/read their material and believe any of it, you need some proper education.

I would watch this "Meet your Meat" show, but I know that as an animal scientist, it'll piss me off to no end. But, what I would like you to tell me is a few things mentioned by PETA in this show, and I'll hopefully put it into context with some strong science behind it. Then maybe, you'll feel a little better about eating meat.

*End rant*

EDIT: Oh another thing. I don't care if your a vegetarian, but I hope you're at least a vegetarian for the right reasons.

My reasons are the reasons that I stated, and I don't give a fuck if animals eat eachother. There are people out there shooting eachother, but I don't plan on jumping on that bandwagon any time soon. (Also, the video only really has footage of animals being killed. I think they could be a little more humane. OH! AND IT'S NARRATED BY ALEC BALDWIN! :good:)

[Tossman]

But Chichi, modern animal processing is pretty humane.

[Chichi]

But Chichi, modern animal processing is pretty humane.

Agree to disagree? (And for me, I just think the fact that other creatures lives have to end so that I can sustain mine is just bogus, even if they were killed in the most humane way possible.)

[snedro]

Oh I don't know

Disregarding whether the examples you listed are natural phenomena, nature cannot contradict morality because it is not subject to it. Right and wrong are constructions of the human mind.

(Before the teenage philosophers start crawling out of the woodwork: I am not implying that humans should act without regard to morality, but merely pointing out one of the flaws in the broader argument presented here. Also, fuck you.)


actually, what you have said here is basically one of many philosophical standpoints...if i am interpreting what you have said correctly then you believe very similarly to what i do in relation to morality....i am an emotivist, which is essentially to say that i believe there is no definitive right or wrong. there is no objective "wrongness" about say, murder; you cannot see, hear, etc wrongness, because all "wrong" and "right" are are words used to convey personal feelings about a certain event or action. In other words, when i say "murder is wrong" all i actually mean is " i find murder a horrible action, i dissaprove of it" ect... and thus morallity is indeed a construction of the mind :smile:

in a nutshell: morallity, as generally conceived of, is an illusion (in my opinion). you, in my opinion, are correct.

also...if some teenage philosophers did say that crap about your arguments implying that we should act without regard to morality, they are idiots and have missed your point completely.

yeah, im sorry i couldn't stop myself:dead:


also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotivism more about emotivism

[Steve]

Personally I don't see anything beneficial in the long term for the continuation of life, mankind, myself, or my utility (because there is none) by not eating meat so I will just keep eating meat forever.

[Skippy]

Paedophilia ftw.

[saunders]

your killing millions of airborne microbes with each breath. But then...if your don't breath, you'd kill yourself

your your your your your your your your your your your your your your your

[Steve]

breath breath breath breath breath

[chicanerous]

yes, paedophilia is a form of sexual orientation, so it can be taken as natural.
Well, that's not necessarily correct at all. Research: sex vs. gender. There is quite a lot of theory that posits, while biological gender is indisputable, sexual identification is shaped by other factors, not the least that it may be a "performative" identity. That doesn't relate directly back to the subject, but it's easy to see how paedophilia could also be a social and environmental construction, even if it does have some biological basis.

[Steve]

Naturalism: everything you can experience is natural

[Maddaveman]

I'm a vegitarian Chichi. I'm not a vegan though. I eat eggs, seafood, and dairy products. I'm straight as an arrow too :)

[tuareg]

Well, that's not necessarily correct at all. Research: sex vs. gender. There is quite a lot of theory that posits, while biological gender is indisputable, sexual identification is shaped by other factors, not the least that it may be a "performative" identity. That doesn't relate directly back to the subject, but it's easy to see how paedophilia could also be a social and environmental construction, even if it does have some biological basis.

yes i agree with that.

just like people aren't born to be gay.

[Chichi]

I'm a vegitarian Chichi. I'm not a vegan though. I eat eggs, seafood, and dairy products. I'm straight as an arrow too :)

Is that a joke? Or are you serious? Because if you are, I might point out that a vegetarian is someone who does not eat meat, and seafood is in the meat group.

[alex]

yes i agree with that.

just like people aren't born to be gay.

Well I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet.

[Birch]

just like people aren't born to be gay.

This is so true, why then is it seen as 'politically incorrect' and 'sexist' to be against homosexuality?

Fake edit: Lesbians are okay though

[tuareg]

Well I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet.
i heard about it somewhere. although yes, "heard" isn't what i would call reliable :/

why then is it seen as 'politically incorrect' and 'sexist' to be against homosexuality?
because politicans are gay? :smile:

[Birch]

because politicans are gay? :smile:

Maybe its their secret (but actually smart way) of keeping the world from getting overpopulated?
I mean, you don't see a gay asian as much as you do a white, so maybe that's why theres so damn many of them?

[tuareg]

i wonder how long they've been doing it.

[Chichi]

Oh, um...Yeah...In addition to being a vegetarian, I'm also gay.

[tuareg]

noone had a doubt from the start.

[Chichi]

Okay, not really. But I wish I was, then I'd have an excuse for still being a virgin :agony:

[Papa Lazarou]

Pretty sure people are "born to be gay".

There are biological predispositions and hallmarks anyway.

Besides, "natural" doesn't have to mean genetic. I'm sure we all agree that homosexuality emerges through "natural" processes, rather than through some perverted upbringing for example.

[Chichi]

Awesome, so basically we've totally missed the point of this thread. Which is okay, because we discussed some good points as well. THAT BEING SAID, it needs to be locked O_O

[alex]

Pretty sure people are "born to be gay".

There are biological predispositions and hallmarks anyway.

Besides, "natural" doesn't have to mean genetic. I'm sure we all agree that homosexuality emerges through "natural" processes, rather than through some perverted upbringing for example.

Tell that to Freud :tongue:

[Birch]

What about lesbians?

[Steve]

you were all born to be gay

[Chance]

I don't think it matters whether people are born gay or not. Just let them be gay.

[Chichi]

I don't think it matters whether people are born gay or not. Just let them be gay.

'Zactly.

[chicanerous]

I was born to be wild...

[Chichi]

I was born to be wild...

Can you backflip?

[chicanerous]

Can you backflip?
No. I used to be able to front flip and round-off + arabian, however. This was pretty much the extent of my skills.

[Chichi]

No. I used to be able to front flip and round-off + arabian, however. This was pretty much the extent of my skills.

:eh:

[Chichi]

That makes him a pescetarian, which is considered semi-vegetarian...

BAAAWWWWWWWWW.
You're either a vegetarian or a meat eater. Nuff sed.

[tuareg]

BAAAWWWWWWWWW.
You're either a vegetarian or a meat eater. Nuff sed.

yes, eating both vegetables and meat is just a myth.

[Maddaveman]

Is that a joke? Or are you serious? Because if you are, I might point out that a vegetarian is someone who does not eat meat, and seafood is in the meat group.

No I'm serious. The only meat I eat is seafood. I don't eat what my friends consider REAL meat so I'm labeled a vegetarian, and I call myself a vegetarian.

I'm not a vegetarian for philosophical reasons either. When I was too young to know what meat was my parents tried to feed it to me and I'd just spit it out. I just don't like how it tastes. However, I absolutely love salmon and clams.

And if I'm not mistaken, nuts are in the meat group as well, but that doesn't make them meat.

[Maddaveman]

Thanks doppelganger. I jokingly refer to my being a pescetarian as being a "vegequarium" sometimes.

[Tossman]

And if I'm not mistaken, nuts are in the meat group as well, but that doesn't make them meat.

haha on the food pyramid, yes. But that thing is so stupid :tongue:

But yeah, I know quite a few "vegetarians" like yourself. It's not that rare.

[Chichi]

Thanks doppelganger. I jokingly refer to my being a pescetarian as being a "vegequarium" sometimes.

Man, it doesn't matter if your friends don't consider it "real meat". A vegetarian doesn't eat fish. A pescetarian does. I mean I don't drink milk, but I don't go around saying "Well, my friends consider me vegan, so I guess I'm a vegan :good:" Because I eat eggs and cheese etc. Don't say you're a vegetarian is all I'm getting at, because I don't want people like you to be in the same category as people like me. DONE.

Oh, and as for nuts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nut_%28fruit%29

[Tossman]

Now you're just being elitist.

[Patrik]

THIS ISN'T A BUNNY, IT'S MEAT
http://blog.ateava.com/media/1/Meat-is-Murder-Lo.jpg

:bandit:

[Steve]

Haha what a simple organism

And yes, pescetarians are not vegetarians. Are fish vegetation? No they are not. Are they animals? Yes they are. Die.

[Chichi]

THANK YOU.

[Maddaveman]

Yeah, Yeah I get your point. But the problem is not many people know what a pescetarian is, but hey, I'll just tell people I'm a pescetarian now if it helps you to sleep at night.

[evilskillit]

I see nothing wrong with eating a vegetarian.

[Chichi]

That's ALL that matters.