Trying different B-twist techniques..

[Ronnie]

so i went outside during the rainy day i chucked some b-twist attempts

this is what i get most of the time when try them.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff53/Houson11/P1000351.gif

i tried stalling, but didnt really work.
http://a629.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/52/l_e6e4aafa424d65b7f3d34b82b08ebd84.gif

but with a standing start, i come the closest to landing it.
http://a186.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/63/l_09933b8e77302539622e34ebf6387c81.gif

any tips?
or techniques i can try??

[JCslug]

-you have more control when standing
-you dont seem to get enough flatspin out of your running setups, try practicing more bkicks
-more backleg kicking, once again, bkicks
-use both arms when setting, your left arm isnt helping the jump
-spinning looks tight though.


GET THAT FLATSPIN AND YOULL HAVE IT

also keep doing the "stalled" one.

[Ronnie]

cheers for the advice.
what does flatspin mean again ??

[joepaxton]

cheers for the advice.
what does flatspin mean again ??

Spinning horizontal

[carney]

Flat spin, Imagine laying down flat on your back (Or front but face down in the grass gets a bit over baring) Now you want your head where your feet are, So you spin on your back until your feet have replaced where your head was and vice versa obviously , That is a 180 flat spin. Your not flipping, or twisting just your body as a whole is doing a flat spin.

B-twist = 180 Flat spin - 360 Twist Rotation
Cork = 180 Flat Spin - 540 Twist Rotation

if you still don't get it i am opening ms paint lol!

[Ronnie]

ahhh i see now~
so in order to get the flatspin..
its the direction of dipping and kicking when setting.
kool

but i'd still like to how you explain it in paint.
haha joking.
but seriously, someone should.

[carney]

ahhh i see now~
so in order to get the flatspin..
its the direction of dipping and kicking when setting.
kool

but i'd still like to how you explain it in paint.
haha joking.
but seriously, someone should.

When your dipping try to start the flat spin before you leave the ground, Basically if you have B-kicks(good B-kicks) You will find it easier,

You upper body should take off kinda coming around to the left of the leg, then when you land you should be facing the way you came from in your lead in, this makes it possible to S/t.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/gfxcube/ronnie.jpg

[David M.]

yo i didnt bother to read all these comments, but ur SECOND gif is magical!

u arent stalling.. you're setting. setting properly at that. the only thing is, that when ur almost done, u open up! fuck that ! keep twising till u hit the floor mo fucker!

good luck :)

and a huge LOL to all these comments above me.

nothing is wrong with ur flatspin, you have it, you dip and you kick up, dont pay any attention to that shit haha.

[Scalco]

Ok Two things I notice off the bat. One is your lifting leg, try and lift it up behind you instead of to the side. If you want a better explanation check out my btwist tutorial on the link in my signature. And the other problem was just the landing. You're swinging your leg out far too early to land it. That's why your foot keeps sliding out on the landing. Don't be scurred keep twisting. ^_^

[Skilzat85X]

Actually, you're not setting that well at all. With a proper set, the spin motion he's doing now would be completing the trick, but it's not.

There's not too much to fix anyways.
When one says set into the move. You really have to jump into it. You gotta push up into the air quickly, and have everything go up. Whilst kicking your back leg up.
I'm going to direct you to this video which helped me:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/download.php?id=bonus_btwist
This is a video from Juji's tutorial of Logan helping teach Jan how to b-twist. Take note of the points he brings out about what he refers to as the "explosion". You have to feel the jump, and you have to push it hard.

Now, you're already doing that to a lesser degree, but a little more force never hurt any jump!

Kick your back leg up more.

Now, one thing I see that may help you is that you're not getting any flatspin...in the direction you're twisting. Carney is right in his definition of flatspin. However, you can get flatspin, or spin coming off the ground, in a btwist. You do this by simply preemptively turning towards the direction you're going to spin, wee. Do not by any means wrap or commit to it though. You just get it going a little, so then after you leave the ground, you perform the spin, like you are now.

I noticed this because your upper body position as your foot leave the ground (and I'm not even talking about your stalled one). If you notice, your chest and arms are opened way up and are facing outwards, with little to no movement. So when you leave the ground, you have no force in the direction you want to spin, and your upper body is basically just sitting there. This means, unless you're a really good spinner or very adept at the b-twist, cranking out that horizontal rotation is going to be difficult. Especially in the learning stages.

To best illustrate this, I'm going to use a ballerina. Mwahaha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m_b9DNqrYs
Ok, you see how when she starts spinning, her arms are wide open, but her chest and basically whole upper body start turning before she picks her foot up and wraps? Mhm? That's what you wanna do, but in the b-twist. Get the turn started before you leave the ground, this gives you a bit of flat spin on the twisting axis to work with, to which you can add your actual spin or twist, which is done by the wrapping, head turning, and general telling your self to spin motion. Getting the flatspin on the twisting axis makes the move infinitely easier, and more versatile. And it is a part of a good b-twist set.

One simple way to help this, without over thinking it, would be to begin looking sorta in the direction of your twist as you takeoff, instead of looking out in front of you, which is inherently going to keep your body from getting any flat spin in that direction on that axis.

[carney]

Ronnie... Just some things to keep in mind for when learning tricks and getting advice off others. But first i should say no offense to anyone who has given you advice from this post or other posts.

There are always many different opinions on how a trick should be executed. And dont get me wrong everyone posts valid good points, I like to listen to Skilzats advice as i know he has a very consistant clean style with great tutorials of explaining, Then there is David M. who may believe his way should be executed that way, And most likely better than any advice i can give don't get me wrong dave.

This advice is most likely all correct but you as an individual Ronnie, need to take advice and work with it not as gospel. You need to find a way to execute your tricks to there best level through your drilling. This helps you take advice as it comes and try it to see if it works for you or not but in the end its up to you to filter what works and doesn't.

This is a pretty random post but i just don't want you to make mistakes like i have. I have had people tell me to do things and ruined my style forcing it out, Not telling you to not take advice but helping you realize that keep your tricks working in what way you find comfortable.

Everyone has given good tips and i suggest you try them all and work with some of them as they definitely will help your trick.

[Ronnie]

oh thanks a lot for the advices guys~.
gotta work more on the set,,..
definitely learned quite a few from this thread.
will try all of em and post them here later.

by the way carney,
i got told off by the teacher today while reading this when he saw that flatspin picture. i had no idea how to explain it to him.

lol lol lol lol at trickers' explaining skills
ms paint and ballerina. XD:punched:

[Blackrain313]

Well, one of the reasons why your sliding all over the joint is pritty much what u said. Its wet =]

[carney]

by the way carney,
i got told off by the teacher today while reading this when he saw that flatspin picture. i had no idea how to explain it to him.

BHAHAHAHA that's pure awesome. Ahhh i love ms paint!:wink:

[DownSyndromeGuy]

so i went outside during the rainy day i chucked some b-twist attempts

this is what i get most of the time when try them.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff53/Houson11/P1000351.gif

i tried stalling, but didnt really work.
http://a629.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/52/l_e6e4aafa424d65b7f3d34b82b08ebd84.gif

but with a standing start, i come the closest to landing it.
http://a186.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/63/l_09933b8e77302539622e34ebf6387c81.gif

any tips?
or techniques i can try??hi d00d.. just try and exaggerate everything u do because u seem to have the right technique already.. experiement with ur dip, run up, twist and landing.. e.g. try doing a faster run up, try dipping lower, try dipping to ur side etc.. however ur only worry atm is the landing..

if i were u i'd just keep practicing tbh.. its all about muscle memory ;)

P.S. forget stalling ur b-twist.. try and land one first, then improve it afterwards, TRUST ME..

edit: keep legs closer together and delay ur landing a bit, ur sticking ur leg out too soon