"tricksters with the most 'style' are the best tricksters"

[shengoikee]

do you agree with this statement?

plus what "style" do you look for in tricks?

[joepaxton]

Creativity.

Plus whats with all the threads Dave lol

[carney]

This is a true statement in a biest way, A certain tricker i may enjoy another someone else may not enjoy, I guess the best would come from what the majority likes.

My Preference:
#1 Favorite style is Martial Art Tricks (Like the section on worlds best tricks II where anis cuts sick - That got some crazy endorphins running through me the first time i saw the arts mixed with S/t's and flips/twists)

Then over the top of that preference the tricker would have to be clean and in control. Not gymnast clean but clean within his own style. Firm i guess is a better word but that kinda is covered when i say controlled :tongue:

[David M.]

ofcourse.

it isn't the tricks themselves, but how they look when you perform them.

take my jacknife, ugly as hell., it isnt the jacknife's fault(the move in general, not mine in particular), but it would be my fault.

i also think style is something that is developed overtime and relates to your athletic ability and the way you think; the technique you're using.

in short yes. the best trickers who we love, we love because what they do looks badass and they have a certain flare to it.

[sebben]

I dont know if you can say that they are the best,, but they are certanly the most recogniceble..

take crazy asian, he is thought of as one of the best trickers out there, ( I love him)
but there are many people hwo do more, and even harder tricks than him...
but his tricks looks way better than 95% of trickers world wide

[David M.]

I dont know if you can say that they are the best,, but they are certanly the most recogniceble..

take crazy asian, he is thought of as one of the best trickers out there, ( I love him)
but there are many people hwo do more, and even harder tricks than him...
but his tricks looks way better than 95% of trickers world wide

nope. 93.54% obviously...

[shengoikee]

my threads are the best!


i think "creativity" is subjective. it can look cool when done well (safari's shuriken cork-btwist-corkround is saweet) but i tend not to like abstract creativity (endless misslegs for the sake of misslegs).

people who's "style" i like off the top of my head:

GRANT!
victor zorilla
crazy asian
haime
sessh
terada
teddy
nareik/kieran's tricks look freakin awesome actually =D (he's a lot like punshi, who also has sickkk looking tricks)

[BobReturns]

jacknives.

[sebben]

my threads are the best!
.

people who's "style" i like off the top of my head:

GRANT!
victor zorilla
crazy asian
haime
sessh
terada
teddy
nareik/kieran's tricks look freakin awesome actually =D (he's a lot like punshi, who also has sickkk looking tricks)

I deman that you love my style tooo.. so search the bottom of your head, then edit in my name :D

[TiVo]

I guess i gotta train my style more.

[shengoikee]

yes everyone aspire to meet my approval! =D

rudy reynon can be added to the list

[sebben]

indeed he can,, he is fucking sexy,, but I dont see my name up there yet shen.. wats going on here??

[jan]

In my opinion, the best tricksters are the ones that look different.

Everyone in NAN has a different style, so they're awesome.
Manny Brown is the epitome of "different", so he's badass by default.
Hans Wikkeling has an awesome, bouncy kind of style, which is badass.
Bubba's kicky style is bad-effin-ass, so I love him.


By different, I mean a different tricking approach (like the difference between Hans' and Bubba's kicks), weirdass combos (like Manny's _insert whatever_) or just powerful awesomeness of drilled martial arts (like Bubba).

[shengoikee]

sebben's style can be added because he's freakin muss! =D <3 haha

[900rmk]

Totally! Creative and stylish tricks are always more fun to watch. Double-doubles and such are awesome the first time, but get boring quickly imo.

[Scalco]

To be totally honest, if we're talking about "best" tricksters, I'd say that it doesn't just have to do with tricks but who they are also. But as far as style goes. Yea, a unique style is always gonna add some bonus points

[jan]

ADD SCALCO TO THE LIST. Not only is he a badass kicker who can snapuswipe like farting, but he's nice on the forums too:)

[shengoikee]

someone else can make a list haha

i was just mentioning my favourites

[sebben]

add him cause he is nice hahahha

at least I was u muss, witch i dont even know what is :D

[shengoikee]

add him cause he is nice hahahha

at least I was u muss, witch i dont even know what is :D

haha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_%22the_Muss%22_Heke

=)

[carney]

hahaha the list! its all about the list!

[shengoikee]

FUCK THE LIST!

[Safari]

The trickers I like the most are the ones who have a unique style as mentioned.. but also the way they do combos and what transitions they use, the unexpected is what's getting my attention. This can be everything from a surprise "power move" (like Scott Skelltons tricks) or something technical (manny brown and Sesshoumaru for example):wicked: The way you do combos define a lot of your style, it's not only how your single tricks look but also howyou do the combos. IMO

[shengoikee]

your stuff is pretty creative in a cool way, safari. =D

[sebben]

haha

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_%22the_Muss%22_Heke

=)

you are funny ;)

[gabrielb]

well i think advanced skill develop styles. guys built in tradition like rudy,ben brown and matt emig all guys who never purposely went out to make a new style just develop their skills. they their-by made a new fresh style.

[Nathan.P.]

I'd say style is what makes tricks cool.....

Style has everything to do with how good a trickers is to me....if someone is doing hard tricks with bad style I will usually not enjoy watching it compared to someone that is just doing simple tricks with awesome style.

I think people should pay attention to style more in their tricks rather then just trying to do the most spins or what not.

The best style for tricks imo is looking like a ninja or like you could be using your tricks/combos in a fight scene in a movie. Rudy Reynon is a really good example of what a really cool tricking style is. There are a lot more of course..

[Grant]

I really have big issues with this and the whole "what is style debate" I don't think its a creativity thing really as like you could get some really creative combo's but done with terrible technique which in turn isnt stylish or cool looking, just messy. But I think for me Nathan P Said it perfectly about the whole movie thing. Me and Dave (Shen) have spoken about this before and thats always how ive tried to make my stuff look, like it could be in a sick fight scene from a movie or something. I actually got into tricking through kung fu movies I used to watch and thought some of the tricks they used to do looked sick, so maybe thats why I feel this way about it.

[Shaolin.dk]

I really have big issues with this and the whole "what is style debate" I don't think its a creativity thing really as like you could get some really creative combo's but done with terrible technique which in turn isnt stylish or cool looking, just messy. But I think for me Nathan P Said it perfectly about the whole movie thing. Me and Dave (Shen) have spoken about this before and thats always how ive tried to make my stuff look, like it could be in a sick fight scene from a movie or something. I actually got into tricking through kung fu movies I used to watch and thought some of the tricks they used to do looked sick, so maybe thats why I feel this way about it.

thats really cool, I kinda aim for that aswell!

Btw you have one of the best p360's ive ever seen haha!:juji:

[Grant]

Btw you have one of the best p360's ive ever seen haha!:juji:

Thanks bro!

[Dragonic MiKe]

I like how a lot of the debates that arise about tricking can be applied to most artistic pursuits.

I particularly liked Dave's use of the term "abstract".

[Nathan.P.]

I really have big issues with this and the whole "what is style debate" I don't think its a creativity thing really as like you could get some really creative combo's but done with terrible technique which in turn isnt stylish or cool looking, just messy. But I think for me Nathan P Said it perfectly about the whole movie thing. Me and Dave (Shen) have spoken about this before and thats always how ive tried to make my stuff look, like it could be in a sick fight scene from a movie or something. I actually got into tricking through kung fu movies I used to watch and thought some of the tricks they used to do looked sick, so maybe thats why I feel this way about it.

Oh damn your that guy that was in that night sampler from the lk euro trip. I always wondered who that was. You have sick tricks man....hella fast.

Edit: This one haha... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzeyTOO4fw0

[Anima]

Best is really a subjective word. It's similar to saying what music is best. There isn't really a best genre, people just prefer different ones.

Similarly, with Tricking. People prefer different styles in Tricking.

However, you can have more technically difficult moves. So if you are talking about Tricksters with a higher skill level, then they would be better than a Trickster with a low skill level.

I really don't know/watch enough Tricksters to be able to give a proper answer. However, I do enjoy samplers and Tricksters with a lot of style, individuality and creativity.

So in my opinion they have the edge over some of the most technically best Tricksters.

However, if I was to disagree with myself, I'd say that because these Tricksters were technically better, they'd be able to pull off more sick Tricks, and have more diverse combos, making them the best.

[Swartz]

Style is what makes an individual's tricks unique. We can all learn to do a move clean but in the end, our style is what people remember. I wouldn't even bring the term "best" into it. My favorite tricksters aren't necessarily the best ones. They're very good of course but can't necessarily compete with the best. Competition is stupid anyway. Trick for yourself.

[Nathan.P.]

Best is really a subjective word. It's similar to saying what music is best. There isn't really a best genre, people just prefer different ones.

Similarly, with Tricking. People prefer different styles in Tricking.

However, you can have more technically difficult moves. So if you are talking about Tricksters with a higher skill level, then they would be better than a Trickster with a low skill level.

I really don't know/watch enough Tricksters to be able to give a proper answer. However, I do enjoy samplers and Tricksters with a lot of style, individuality and creativity.

So in my opinion they have the edge over some of the most technically best Tricksters.

However, if I was to disagree with myself, I'd say that because these Tricksters were technically better, they'd be able to pull off more sick Tricks, and have more diverse combos, making them the best.

Yeah this is where people can think different....it does seem like a lot of people just see the skill level and thats all...the more technical the trick the better. The more spins/flips kicks(no matter how its executed) the better. Yeah of course this comes into play on how good a tricker is but really if you cant do the higher level tricks with good style there really isn't any point in doing them....but of course you can trick however you want. This is just what I think and this is how I'm going to train my tricks.

[Reim]

I hear that Reim guy has style.

[Braka]

Style will always imo surpass advanced tricks!

Take Ben Brown or Manny Brown for instance! i consider him a far better tricker/trickster than a person who can doubletwist anything and can land some huge tricks but not all the time (i like it when someone can do all there tricks all the time)

[Swartz]

I hear that Reim guy has style.

So aggressive. <3 Reim.

[simon]

grant is the sexiest man in existence.

[saulus]

style is most important in tricking imo!
all my favorite trickers have a special style!
Jujimufu! (so clean and powerfull but still has a absolutely unique style!)
Kjer!
Bubba,Grant and all the others dave mentioned
ryan murray has a really cool style too
CA of course
marc canonizado
MARCEL JONES!!! AAAAAAAH somebody make a sampler of him
Bungnung/tiger woods will be the best sometime.. his style is awesome!
Tim Man
there are too many

[Jon P]

As Nathan said, I also look for a certain "ninja like" appearance in tricks.
Maybe that is because I grew up on kung fu and ninja movies? haha
Or maybe it is because I had done martial arts for about nine years of my life?

I definitely am one to care more about style then how many spins a person can do...but it is always nice to get the whole package.

People with nice style who rarely throw "big spins".

Rudy Reynon
Jaime C
Jujimufu
Chris Dee
Grant
Bubba
Ben Brown
and many more


People with nice style who throw "big spins" and have nice style.

Anis
Teddy
Sess
Prodigy
Sammy V
and many more?...haha


In my opinion people from list 1 are not any worse then people from list 2...
But if I was to make a list of people who throw "big spin" with bad style then they [for me] would be not as favorable as anyone from the first two lists.
It is interesting though that there are more stylish tricksters that don't throw big spins too much, then there are that do.

[Reim]

So aggressive. <3 Reim.

<3 luff


But the ideal style in my mind is

-Very Martial Arts Oriented
-Has a certain BBoy flair
-Has a very unique style to themselves
-Has fun
-Super Controlled

That's why people on the top of my list include Sessh, Reynon, and Ott.

And obviously cepopeye. Style MASTER.

[Jon P]

A trickster should look 100% in control of what he is doing...but that to me is just what clean tricks should be.
If you look out of control or like you are almost falling on every trick in your combo or stumbling at all your transitions, you are not doing clean tricks.

[Matt R]

no one new has any style, apart from maybe ott.

everyone else good is old school.

[shengoikee]

you need to trick with more people haha

[David M.]

shengoikee is a badass.

dave hill, i admire you

[erufukami]

Style FTW.

I like it when someone throws a nice invert or twist trick, kicks out of it and THEN comes down. All... relaxed like. I guess it's just wicked to see an explosion of power in the air that settles before reaching the ground.

[Safari]

your stuff is pretty creative in a cool way, safari. =D

Ah man^^! <3 Thanks a lot!

[Matt R]

you need to trick with more people haha

show me people then dave

people have been showing me videos constantly for the past few days and the only one iv liked is ott, iv found the rest boring. even the loopkicks battle video.

[Augenatic]

hi matt

[shengoikee]

they don't all have videos =(

eg kjungs haha

but

grant owns
victor zorilla owns
teddy owns
punshi & nareik co-own (lol)

etc

[Matt R]

its obvious i enjoy teddy and punshi. grant is also good.


none of them are new lol.

[shengoikee]

haha oh

vellu is pretty good

not sure how new he is

but yeah people in the last year are generally pretty bad hahahaha

[David M.]

but yeah people in the last year are generally pretty bad hahahaha

hey im insulted shen!


but i think vellu is 3.5 or 4.5 (i forgot) old :p

[shengoikee]

haha yeah exactly...

usually people have to train for that long to have a decent style

it's just matt may not of been around to see his samplers

[SeanS]

well there definitely the best to watch. but i dont think it makes them teh best tricker. a mix of good tricks and some style would be my prefernce.

[poliver]

Salajin
Thomas Mariman
Ejik

These guys have sick style!

[David M.]

style can only develope over time.

[shengoikee]

style can only develop to gangster rap

[Skilzat85X]

Someone can easily have a style when they first start tricking haha.

It just depends on how long it takes for them to do moves that don't look like crap. Some people are like this right away.

[David M.]

Someone can easily have a style when they first start tricking haha.

It just depends on how long it takes for them to do moves that don't look like crap. Some people are like this right away.

hmmm i suppose, but i believe the reason for it would be along the lines of:

they got massively sick kicks, and they've only tricked for 2 hours! nice 540!

(prior martial arts experience:21 years)

i guess technically, they just started tricking.

[Spyder_V]

Personally, I think style has a lot to do with the way the trickster carries himself and controls his body during tricks.

For me, for example, arms are big on style. Some people flail their arms wildly during a 540, while some, keep them in, or others go to a fighting stance. Also, the non-kicking leg in a 540 adds style. Extended or tucked, there are MANY ways that you can go about moving it while your other leg kicks.

I think that style has nothing to do with creativity, style is the way you move (in my opinion) and what makes your tricks look like they are yours. In my mind, if I can see a silhouette of you tricking and recognize who you are, you have crazy style coming out the balls.

[Alexx]

what is it which influences style then ?

people you trick with ? people you watch vids of ? physical limitations of your body (flexibility, etc.) ? limitations of where you trick (scared to try flips if learning outside, the weather) !? Interests in certain aspects ? Doing what impresses people ? Interpretations of tricking ? enthusiasm towards tricking ?

quite an interesting way to look at it...

[shengoikee]

what is it which influences style then ?

people you trick with ? people you watch vids of ? physical limitations of your body (flexibility, etc.) ? limitations of where you trick (scared to try flips if learning outside, the weather) !? Interests in certain aspects ? Doing what impresses people ? Interpretations of tricking ? enthusiasm towards tricking ?

quite an interesting way to look at it...

all those things! =)

actually i think the best way to persue a style is to picture it in your head

edit: and train hard for it obviously

[Spyder_V]

what is it which influences style then ?

people you trick with ? people you watch vids of ? physical limitations of your body (flexibility, etc.) ? limitations of where you trick (scared to try flips if learning outside, the weather) !? Interests in certain aspects ? Doing what impresses people ? Interpretations of tricking ? enthusiasm towards tricking ?

quite an interesting way to look at it...

Like Dave said, pretty much this is it.

[shengoikee]

eddy tricks mexican style. it's freakin ace <3

[Safari]

The thing with style is quite special.. Like Skilz says, " Takes time before the moves don't look liek crap" This is true.. but I believe that you cannot change your own style, you have the same style from day one. But! You can change your technique.. So when you get a technique that suits your tricking you'll get a great style..

The way your style looks from before you get a decent technique is defined by a lot of physical stuff.. like muscles, height, length on your legs, big feet, flexibility, Clothes you use when you trick etc.

[Taimatsu]

I need Style :eh:

[shengoikee]

The thing with style is quite special.. Like Skilz says, " Takes time before the moves don't look liek crap" This is true.. but I believe that you cannot change your own style, you have the same style from day one. But! You can change your technique.. So when you get a technique that suits your tricking you'll get a great style..

The way your style looks from before you get a decent technique is defined by a lot of physical stuff.. like muscles, height, length on your legs, big feet, flexibility, Clothes you use when you trick etc.

that's an interesting point man!

like choosing hooks or crescents or whatever

different things suit different people

[TKD_Andy]

whats to say technique isn't style?

then you could ask the question: those with the best technique = best style?

saying that though, you'd then have to define what would be the "best technique"

I dont think theres actually an answer, only personal preference.

[shengoikee]

whats to say technique isn't style?

then you could ask the question: those with the best technique = best style?

saying that though, you'd then have to define what would be the "best technique"

I dont think theres actually an answer, only personal preference.

i think most of the attractive styles out there utilise good technique (allowing for speed, height etc), but i don't think this is like gymnastics where things can be absolutely textbook.

i see your point though!

[Safari]

whats to say technique isn't style?

then you could ask the question: those with the best technique = best style?

saying that though, you'd then have to define what would be the "best technique"

I dont think theres actually an answer, only personal preference.

I was waiting for it :P It's just a thought I had really.. But as mentioned, style isn't just technique you also have your base style(which i wrote in the post before). Like if a guy has great technique but really bad physique that might effect his style the bad way and opposite..

But I agree with you, this is only personal preference.

[Dragonic MiKe]

Technique is the prerequisite of style.

[TKD_Andy]

Technique is the prerequisite of style.

i wouldn't say prerequisite, i think the word precursor is more appropriate.

saying its a prerequisite implies that you can't have style unless you know the technique, but its more the case of the technique is implemented then style develops.

im sure we're both talking about the same thing though :good:

Its fantastic that its not like gym (like dave said before) because there_is_no "textbook" way of doing something, my favourite example of this is ben browns and waterboys' 540. Ben does his with his hips high, leaning back slightly etc, whereas waterboy is more upright and his hip movement is more pronounced. They've both got awesome 540s, and you couldn't really say that one is more "textbook" than the other.

Hence why tricking owns; you can say what a 540 has to have, but you cant say what is the ultimately "right" way of doing it.

*edit*

reference to Pirates of the Caribbean - jacks drunken speech to kiera "pout" knightley on the beach when he's talking about the black pearl- what a ship has to have vs what a ship is.

still, the point is relevant.

[Safari]

Agreed

[k-slash]

Only thing I can say here is that I believe everyones style is built in like the personality they are born with.

And everything else like technique and such are just building blocks ontop of their core style.

Like training to have better technique/power/speed etc...

I like people who don't just have style, but who put effort into building around it to make themselves better.

[shengoikee]

Only thing I can say here is that I believe everyones style is built in like the personality they are born with.

And everything else like technique and such are just building blocks ontop of their core style.

Like training to have better technique/power/speed etc...

I like people who don't just have style, but who put effort into building around it to make themselves better.

i think this is a good way of looking at it actually

you're pretty much given a tricking "type" (style) that you work with and develop

i think we should all make a pact to work on style!

i mean look at the diversity of bboys

[k-slash]

i think this is a good way of looking at it actually

you're pretty much given a tricking "type" (style) that you work with and develop

i think we should all make a pact to work on style!

i mean look at the diversity of bboys
Yess.

I love creativity, thats what I work on when I trick alone hah, but when I'm with people that goes out the window for some reason.

[k-slash]

To be fair, style and creativity go together.

Wait actually I thought about it, and they don't really hahahah!

Ok I agree with you but style + creativity are a winning combination for me.

But I would say that most people with style are quite creative in their own style.

[shengoikee]

man we need competitions where people have to be "stylish" to win haha

[Origional]

"So if a characteristic trickster butterfly twist with messy dip and flinging limbs ends up looking cool, then how is that wrong? "

-juji



my favorite style quote.

[NyCz JeSteR]

ahhh someone make a video compilation of all the stylish tricksters please!

[k-slash]

man we need competitions where people have to be "stylish" to win haha
hahaha STYLE BATTLE!

[Tim Hutchinson]

OOOOOOOOOOH

[jan]

I OPEN THE STYLE BATTLE WITH THIS:


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/jan_1080/Sexytimeswartzentower.jpg

[TKD_Andy]

well, jan wins

[Ejik]

Loooots of win!

[lazy]

I OPEN THE STYLE BATTLE WITH THIS:


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d61/jan_1080/Sexytimeswartzentower.jpg



<3

I'm a sneaky little devil trying to hump on jan:tongue:

[Dragonic MiKe]

i wouldn't say prerequisite, i think the word precursor is more appropriate.

saying its a prerequisite implies that you can't have style unless you know the technique, but its more the case of the technique is implemented then style develops.

im sure we're both talking about the same thing though :good:

Its fantastic that its not like gym (like dave said before) because there_is_no "textbook" way of doing something, my favourite example of this is ben browns and waterboys' 540. Ben does his with his hips high, leaning back slightly etc, whereas waterboy is more upright and his hip movement is more pronounced. They've both got awesome 540s, and you couldn't really say that one is more "textbook" than the other.

Hence why tricking owns; you can say what a 540 has to have, but you cant say what is the ultimately "right" way of doing it.

*edit*

reference to Pirates of the Caribbean - jacks drunken speech to kiera "pout" knightley on the beach when he's talking about the black pearl- what a ship has to have vs what a ship is.

still, the point is relevant.

I completely agree.

Fuck you and your more precise vocabulary! ::tongue:

[Swartz]

hahaha STYLE BATTLE!

Yeah and we'll give away Kudo points like PGR.

[haylon]

to me these trickers' styles are awesomejuice

Anis
alex silva
Teddy
kieran (BEOWULF!!!)
dannyG
ryan rempfer
rudy reynon
dan perez
florian leoty

[a_l]

Thread turned into this:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40948

[shengoikee]

Thread turned into this:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40948

it shouldn't of done haha

[pete_man_man]

style comes by accident in my opinion.. i hadn't seen my tricks in ages before the devon premier and i was really fuckin surprised to see how they look now... i never imagined that that was how they looked...

it's not like i tried to make them look that way... it just.... happened.

STYLE IS ACCIDENTAL

[shengoikee]

i'm going to change my style on purpose haha

[pete_man_man]

NO YOU ARE NOT!!!!!!!!

[Hyourinmaru]

CA
Haime
Jan

[jan]

Awesomely enough, we're all in your signature:P

[Hyourinmaru]

Awesomely enough, we're all in your signature:P

damn! I was hoping no one would notice! :wicked:

[TKD_Andy]

stephen renneys' style is awesome.

very underrated.

[Dave]

Style is what tricking is all about.. it's what makes tricks tricks.

[Dragonic MiKe]

stephen renneys' style is awesome.

very underrated.

I always thought your style was quite similar to Stephen Renney's. :smile:

[Augenatic]

I agree with the thread starter! I don't think that the "best" is who's landed the twist with the most rotation, but the one who's style is awesome and clean!

[BboyAgua]

Most trickers have no concept of style.

My only goal is style.

I still suck, but yeah... I'm here to lay down a hot heaping scoop of flavor. And crash a lot.