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Flowers
Sep-08-08, 11:37 AM
This applies to fulls and corks and any kind of twist.

Which I simply cannot understand is what motion you think about in your head that makes the para come out?

I have the power and height but I simply can't make it work.

Reim
Sep-08-08, 11:41 AM
Para twist?

What is a para twist? Parafuso B-Twist? Cork parafuso?

saunders
Sep-08-08, 11:41 AM
i simply try to form an "L" with my body lol

i used to try it like a shuriken with my legs together but that doesnt really work for me haha

Cory
Sep-08-08, 11:48 AM
I call them twistdleg and corkdleg and fulldleg

saulus
Sep-08-08, 11:50 AM
yes for me too...
just form an L
really just jump up after the cartwheel and form an L and don't move anymore!

shengoikee
Sep-08-08, 11:54 AM
illusion then bring the legs together

but if you're talking about doubleleg....

Quinntin
Sep-08-08, 11:54 AM
Throw the twist then pike front, the momentum continues the twist but it looks like a doubleg.

crawty7
Sep-08-08, 11:56 AM
Throw the twist then pike front, the momentum continues the twist but it looks like a doubleg.

K-slash advice ftw

Tim Hutchinson
Sep-08-08, 11:59 AM
I call them twistdleg and corkdleg and fulldleg

paratwist, paracork and parafull to me :good:

YOU DO A MIGHTY PARAFULL LOLOL

Xeult
Sep-08-08, 02:44 PM
I just sorta go into the trick as usual and midways turn it into a dleg by kicking both legs over at the same time :eh:

lazy
Sep-08-08, 02:47 PM
It helps to look at your ass when you enter the pike ;-)

simon
Sep-08-08, 02:49 PM
I call them twistdleg and corkdleg and fulldleg
YES.

also illusion with your legs together.
i think dave hill said this.

shengoikee
Sep-08-08, 02:50 PM
haha i actually meant literally do an illusion. then bring your legs together. that's how parafusos look.

doublelegs your legs stay together the whole time.

that's why calling stuff "para" whatever usually makes no sense.

carney
Sep-08-08, 03:01 PM
yeah half way through the motion just put your legs together and make the double leg shape with your body!

I havent tricked cork para but i got b-twist para first go!

TheRef
Sep-08-08, 07:13 PM
For the corkdleg you obviously want to have the dleg go all the way around and not pop out at the top shortly before your landing. The best corkdlegs start quite early, and go almost a full 360 twist, and corks are a 540 twist... so yeah do the math... I have issues with my shuriken cork coming out waaaay too late and just looks like a weird cork. But corkdlegs seem almost easier, idk. Make sure your arms are wrapped too. I used to make this mistake and wouldn't rotate fast enough. Basically, the trick is to sit up like a dleg and point your toes... From there its just riding it out...

As far as the btwist variation, I dont really land those often enough to really give any advice... =P

Shadow5217
Sep-08-08, 07:25 PM
Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9qn8xLoa4

carney
Sep-08-08, 07:41 PM
Cork Double leg - i assume the first 180 is always the same as that's how you set delay and get horizontal then the 360 is where the cork is horizontal and really shown so the double leg would come after the 180 and soon as the real twist begins!

Cory
Sep-08-08, 07:58 PM
YES.

also illusion with your legs together.
i think dave hill said this.

Simon. Will you film for me a corkdleg_s/t gainer flasy (or pop flash kick if you prefer) in jeans on concrete? hahaha

Reim
Sep-08-08, 11:56 PM
haha i actually meant literally do an illusion. then bring your legs together. that's how parafusos look.

doublelegs your legs stay together the whole time.

that's why calling stuff "para" whatever usually makes no sense.

*points at this post*

BboyAgua
Sep-09-08, 12:10 AM
Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9qn8xLoa4

That looked like a shurukin kinda.

simon
Sep-09-08, 01:25 AM
Simon. Will you film for me a corkdleg_s/t gainer flasy (or pop flash kick if you prefer) in jeans on concrete? hahaha
i can't s/t gainer any more hahaa.
and my cork dleg comes and goes.


:sad:


i would if i could man. i love you!

Reim
Sep-09-08, 01:31 AM
Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9qn8xLoa4

That's really not the best example of anything.

Andy R
Sep-09-08, 03:52 AM
Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9qn8xLoa4

no haha

mogwai
Sep-09-08, 04:04 AM
lower and upper body needs to work independent in these tricks... let your torso lead into the twist, and than in mid air at peak of hangtime let your hips drag your legs up and than past your upper body so they will take over and be the leading "force"

pete_man_man
Sep-09-08, 05:38 AM
simon: "it just happens sometimes"

simon
Sep-09-08, 05:46 AM
simon: "it just happens sometimes"
i think i did say that when tom asked me to do it at coventry.

Matt R
Sep-09-08, 05:48 AM
thery called cork dleg, full dleg and btwist dleg.


that is the name of the tricks.

i used to do them by pointing my toes and prentending i was a pencil lol. no jokez.

pete_man_man
Sep-09-08, 05:48 AM
i think i did say that when tom asked me to do it at coventry.

you also said it to me when i asked how to do it. yey!!!

zambri
Sep-09-08, 09:30 AM
paratwist refers to a parafuso then twisting, you wouldnt call a b twist a twist butterfly or a d leg twist a twist double leg would you? the double leg comes first, then the twist. just like the in full double leg the fulltwist comes first then the double leg.

thats how i look at it.

BboyAgua
Sep-09-08, 12:10 PM
i used to do them by pointing my toes and prentending i was a pencil lol. no jokez.

Hahaha that's so fuckin awesome.

simon
Sep-09-08, 12:15 PM
you also said it to me when i asked how to do it. yey!!!
haha i'm sorry man.
i really don't understand tricks!

Matt R
Sep-09-08, 01:06 PM
paratwist refers to a parafuso then twisting, you wouldnt call a b twist a twist butterfly or a d leg twist a twist double leg would you? the double leg comes first, then the twist. just like the in full double leg the fulltwist comes first then the double leg.

thats how i look at it.

Did you even read this thread? Your trick knowledge is fail.

simon
Sep-09-08, 01:08 PM
man, its good to have matthew back.

Skilzat85X
Sep-09-08, 01:26 PM
Thank goodness for Matt R.

Reim
Sep-09-08, 01:49 PM
Yay Matt R

SeanS
Sep-09-08, 02:00 PM
Here Here Matt R.

BboyAgua
Sep-09-08, 02:31 PM
*applause*

Matt R
Sep-09-08, 02:50 PM
matt r for mod!

Reim
Sep-09-08, 02:56 PM
Whats a mod?

shengoikee
Sep-09-08, 03:16 PM
my first act as mod would be to ban towels for no reason

Matt R
Sep-09-08, 03:17 PM
my first act as mod would be to ban towels for no reason

Mine would be most similiar infact.

shengoikee
Sep-09-08, 03:18 PM
i thought so hahaha

Shadow5217
Sep-09-08, 06:59 PM
It was a joke people.

I thought you guys new sarcasm.

Flowers
Sep-10-08, 05:32 AM
lol
\"What is thy bidding my master"
"It's a disaster. Skywalker we're after"
"What if he could be turned to the dark side?"
"Yes! He'd be a powerful ally. Another dark Jedi"
"He will join us or die"
"WE GOT DEATHSTAR! DEATH STAR!"

sebben
Sep-10-08, 05:51 AM
WHY ARE PEOPLE SO NEGATIVE TO CALLING IT PARA-TWIST, PARA-CORK, PARA-full..


it logical, and way easier then any other name sugestions out there.

so what is the problem?

Flowers
Sep-10-08, 05:58 AM
lol it's all just prefference I guess

sebben
Sep-10-08, 06:00 AM
but no one calls a butterfly twist for a hummingbird twist.

someone should lay down the law,, its called a para twist and para corck and so on :D

jan
Sep-10-08, 06:36 AM
I call them twistdleg and corkdleg and fulldleg

Saaaaaame.

BboyAgua
Sep-10-08, 08:05 AM
I call them... on a telephone!

Ba-zing! Hoo-ey that's a hum-dinger!

TKD_Andy
Sep-10-08, 08:22 AM
corkafuso

btwistafuso

fullafuso

ITS TEH RIGHT TERMINOLOLOGY

saulus
Sep-10-08, 09:20 AM
corkdlg!

jan
Sep-10-08, 09:41 AM
Hahahah, corkafuso.

Matt R
Sep-10-08, 10:21 AM
WHY ARE PEOPLE SO NEGATIVE TO CALLING IT PARA-TWIST, PARA-CORK, PARA-full..


it logical, and way easier then any other name sugestions out there.

so what is the problem?

Because thats not the name of the tricks you stupid cock.

Why dont we all start renaming tricks for fun? Swampuswipe and backflump.

Moron.

Skilzat85X
Sep-10-08, 10:32 AM
WHY ARE PEOPLE SO NEGATIVE TO CALLING IT PARA-TWIST, PARA-CORK, PARA-full..


it logical, and way easier then any other name sugestions out there.

Because, they are not logical, by any means.

The term "para" is meaningless. It's not it's own term. Parafuso is a very specific term, and it one word with it's own meaning. Extracting "para" from it doesn't mean crap.
Not to mention, traditionally in Capoeira the word "parafuso" didn't even imply a double leg or double legging something, so "parathis" not only sounds stupid but is quite meaningless.

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 10:38 AM
They are tricks with a double leg coming through the second half of it.

B-twist double leg and cork double leg etc... describe the tricks brilliantly.

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 10:39 AM
Whoever said the double leg comes through them straight off the ground is an idiot.

Yeah I'll just do a cork double leg and magically come off 2 feet into a double leg without kicking 1 leg up into a *cork*.

Alexx
Sep-10-08, 10:53 AM
Because, they are not logical, by any means.

The term "para" is meaningless. It's not it's own term.

unless you are abbreviating the word parallel, in which case para is a lot easier to say.

also this isn't capoeira, we don't use their terminology, we go by our own.

I understand either way, i don't know why people are wasting energy over it, it's not like you'd stop a full blown conversation with someone over saying para or double leg...

Matt R
Sep-10-08, 11:39 AM
unless you are abbreviating the word parallel, in which case para is a lot easier to say.

also this isn't capoeira, we don't use their terminology, we go by our own.

I understand either way, i don't know why people are wasting energy over it, it's not like you'd stop a full blown conversation with someone over saying para or double leg...


What the fuck are you talking about? That is the names of the tricks. That is what they are called. Your opinion means nothing.

What about this arnt you grasping?

EDIT: lolz i thought you were sebben, but owell my point still stands haha

Alexx
Sep-10-08, 11:44 AM
my opinion doesn't need to mean anything if i can understand and accept people refering to them as paracorcks or cork double legs :)

i have a special place in my heart for you matt, i'm glad it's filled my your presence once again :)

Masterj123456789
Sep-10-08, 11:44 AM
Because, they are not logical, by any means.

The term "para" is meaningless. It's not it's own term. Parafuso is a very specific term, and it one word with it's own meaning. Extracting "para" from it doesn't mean crap.
Not to mention, traditionally in Capoeira the word "parafuso" didn't even imply a double leg or double legging something, so "parathis" not only sounds stupid but is quite meaningless.


I agree with this, I haven't read the other posts but this makes sense.

Take for example, when I thought the laziboi was an attribute and a trick. So I started calling variational tricks laziboi aerial and, laziboi this, laziboi that when that is not the case.

Just because its a trick doesn't mean its a suffix as well.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 11:53 AM
so if the parafuso in capoeira, often means a tornado kick. then how did it come to be that what we call parafuso got the name parofuso. does that make anymore sense?
how does a boxcutter imply that you do a hypercork hook? it dont, bu we call it that cause someone named it that.

but now we got skinny emo faggots like matt r in this sport, that just talkes shit left and right.

mu point is, is para this or para that, any worse to say then anything else?
I think its way easier, than alot of the other sugestions. And if you think of the para as the actual motion, it makes perfect sence. to me atleast :D

simon
Sep-10-08, 11:56 AM
but now we got skinny emo faggots like matt r in this sport, that just talkes shit left and right.
Congratulations!
You just made an idiot of yourself!

sebben
Sep-10-08, 11:58 AM
like I give a shit.
I mean, by all means, he is good at tricks, I can't deny that. But I just can stand him.
He is annoying. I know that he has been apart off tt a loooong time, even tough he has no been posting that much latley,. but i just dont like him

simon
Sep-10-08, 12:03 PM
ok sebben, but that doesn't mean that you can act like a twelve year old.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 12:06 PM
to further more act like a twelve yaar old, I have to say,, "he started it"
if he had hust stated his point without talking shit, I wouldnt had said anything about it,, but I hate when people have to result to namecalling to get their point across..

witch only makes me do the same :P

Matt R
Sep-10-08, 12:39 PM
Ahh iv missed this lol.


how does a boxcutter imply that you do a hypercork hook? it dont, bu we call it that cause someone named it that.


Because the person that invented the Boxcutter called it that, I cant recall you being the inventor of the corkdleg or btwistdleg.


but now we got skinny emo faggots like matt r in this sport, that just talkes shit left and right.


But now? Im sorry, but I started tricking 5 years ago, when did you? Im assuming it was atleast 7 years ago, to be looking down on my knowledge.

like I give a shit.
I mean, by all means, he is good at tricks, I can't deny that. But I just can stand him.
He is annoying. I know that he has been apart off tt a loooong time, even tough he has no been posting that much latley,. but i just dont like him

Have I upset you so much you have lost the ability to type, you extreme failure?

Nick Fail
Sep-10-08, 01:00 PM
I've never talked to or met Matt R but you dont seem to be very nice. You seem to have a big rep but i've never even heard of you. I personally like sebben, so i'm gonna ask respectfully. Back off of him. Just let the argument go.

As for the argument my opinion:

Parafuso and double leg are two different moves.

A parafuso-Outside kick met by an inside kick

A dleg-An outside hypered kick and an inside hypered kick done at the same time

SOOOOO any twisting move that comes out as a shuriken then turns into a doubleleg i'd naturally refer to as a para-*twist move* and any move coming out as two legs at a time as a *Twist move* dleg.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:08 PM
oo noo, attack the dyslectic guys spelling,, like I have not heard that before.

true, I have only tricked about 4 years. so what, the longer you have tricked the more of an ashoole you can be on tt?

I just dont like how you appear on the internett, for all I know, you are a nice guy. just get off your high horse and stopp acting like a duche


edit: you beat me to the post button nick :P

Matt R
Sep-10-08, 01:09 PM
I've never talked to or met Matt R but you dont seem to be very nice. You seem to have a big rep but i've never even heard of you. I personally like sebben, so i'm gonna ask respectfully. Back off of him. Just let the argument go.


Excellent choice of username, it seems to go with your pathetic semi threatning post. Go back to spunge bathing sebben.

oo noo, attack the dyslectic guys spelling,, like I have not heard that before.

true, I have only tricked about 4 years. so what, the longer you have tricked the more of an ashoole you can be on tt?

I just dont like how you appear on the internett, for all I know, you are a nice guy. just get off your high horse and stopp acting like a duche


edit: you beat me to the post button nick :P

No the more youv tricked and been around tricking the more you know.

Its threads like this that make tricks tutorials look like a bunch of fuckwits. Stupid n00bs giving their "views" on tricks, people dont care what your "view" is Nick Fail, tricks are tricks, your opinion will change nothing.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:10 PM
goes to show that my initial post about you was correct....

tuareg
Sep-10-08, 01:11 PM
jimmy?



JIMMY!



WHAT THE HELL?!

Nick Fail
Sep-10-08, 01:11 PM
Excellent choice of username, it seems to go with your pathetic semi threatning post. Go back to spunge bathing sebben.

hi matt nice to meet you. There was no threat there. why the fuck are you so hostile towards EVERYONE?

saulus
Sep-10-08, 01:12 PM
it's still internet...
sebben is too serious on this...
if he wants to call it paracork he can call it paracork and if matt wants to call it corkdlg (which was the original name!) he can call it corkdlg...everybody understands both terms!!!
end/

saulus
Sep-10-08, 01:13 PM
. why the fuck are you so hostile towards EVERYONE?

IT'S MATT R!!!

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:16 PM
I can agree to that statement, saulus.

I have always known the trick as an para this or that.
The same way as, we have the name hurricane hook, witch the US guys call narrabong or autobahn. to me it will always be hurricane hook.

same goes for para vs dlegg :D

Matt R
Sep-10-08, 01:17 PM
Im going to put this one more way.

I feel that backflip is not a suitable name for the trick, im going to call it backflump because it makes more sense to ME.

Ignoring the history of tricks like an ignorant cock, backflump is what I am going to call it.

Nick Fail
Sep-10-08, 01:18 PM
IT'S MATT R!!!

And thats cool? I'm done with this forum for the most part. I thought it got better but this matt R proves that wrong. this shits gay. Sorry skillz, I tried.

Skilzat85X
Sep-10-08, 01:20 PM
Ahahaha oh God.

This is so fun lol. You people take Matt too seriously. Although, you may wanna calm down the name calling and insulting Matt. Heheheh.

Anyways, hmm ok let's see. First let's talk about the issue:
It just doesn't make freaking sense! Para is not even a word, or a prefix, it's a part of a word, and without the rest of the word, it's meaning is, nothing!
Not to mention, the entire Parafuso trick is a technique in it's own right, double legging out of something doesn't involve much of any Parafuso technique, it falicitates the technique of double legging post trick.

Now, let's talk about the fun stuff:

but now we got skinny emo faggots like matt r in this sport, that just talkes shit left and right.


I mean, by all means, he is good at tricks, I can't deny that. But I just can stand him.
He is annoying. I know that he has been apart off tt a loooong time, even tough he has no been posting that much latley,. but i just dont like him
Oh who cares ahaha. Matt doesn't just talk for the sake of talking, at least he has some foundation. He just expresses it rather...violently lol. :punched:

Besides, you think I don't find lots of people annoying too? You think I haven't seen annoying crap coming from you personally either? Hmm? Unless you can say you're a kind peaceful angel on TT, this isn't really something you can talk about...

Anyways, you're basically trying to say Matt's opinion is invalid simply because you don't like him. Now, while I can't stand behind or condone all his insulting and such, he does have a foundation in this argument.

saulus
Sep-10-08, 01:21 PM
And thats cool? I'm done with this forum for the most part. I thought it got better but this matt R proves that wrong. this shits gay. Sorry skillz, I tried.

nobody said it's cool
it's just like...hmm..let me think....
if somebody is deeply brainsick and there's no way to heal him
you don't have to try to heal him!
so just stop arguing with him....
and going away from tt caus of matt would be pretty childish...
because it's not like tt is a place where you go ..it's the internet and you don't have to get involved into arumentations with everybody and you don't have to like everybody do you?

tuareg
Sep-10-08, 01:21 PM
everyone is taking everything faaaaar to seriously. again. haha

tt.

that is all.

simon
Sep-10-08, 01:24 PM
lolol awesome thread.

Nick Fail
Sep-10-08, 01:25 PM
nobody said it's cool
it's just like...hmm..let me think....
if somebody is deeply brainsick and there's no way to heal him
you don't have to try to heal him!
so just stop arguing with him....
and going away from tt caus of matt would be pretty childish...
because it's not like tt is a place where you go ..it's the internet and you don't have to get involved into arumentations with everybody and you don't have to like everybody do you?

Mainly its that everytime someone asks for help some ass comes along and bashes them for fun. thats cool and all but it gets old really quick when your one of the guys trying to help people out. i've mainly just watched it and i used to do that in the past. and I stopped cause i care more about the growth of the sport than making a joke and calling someone names thats gets no one anywhere. i hear club 540 doesn't put up with bullshit.

Flowers
Sep-10-08, 01:26 PM
Matt R left TT for a very long time. He can't just walk back in here like sesshoumaru and expect everyone to suck his dick again. So what if he started before some of us, a big majority of tricking is the community. We decide what to call things, because there is no 'Governing tricking body' it is simply just all of us tricksters added up.


Also, If Matt R was one of like the first few people to do a double cork, no one would tolerate his shit. Just because he is good at tricks doesn't give him a free pass. There is no "Just expressing myself" or "Don't take me too seriously", this is an internet forum. We are going to take you as we take you.






I like Sebben.
I like Nick

lol this was a mistake to get into I guess.

O well

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:27 PM
Im going to put this one more way.

I feel that backflip is not a suitable name for the trick, im going to call it backflump because it makes more sense to ME.

Ignoring the history of tricks like an ignorant cock, backflump is what I am going to call it.

you really are an ass.
I said that para cork or full, was the name I first heard, and I used. the result is that I and alot of other people have called it this for years. And it somwaht sence since the move ends with a parafuso or double leg. but para cork is more practical when speaking.

if you sa: I am going to do a combo, cork d-legg, hook, 540.
then people hear, corck, d-legg, hook, 540. witch is a different combo.
if you say, paracork, hook, 540 there is no room for missunderstanding..

its just more practical

saulus
Sep-10-08, 01:29 PM
Mainly its that everytime someone asks for help some ass comes along and bashes them for fun. thats cool and all but it gets old really quick when your one of the guys trying to help people out. i've mainly just watched it and i used to do that in the past. and I stopped cause i care more about the growth of the sport than making a joke and calling someone names thats gets no one anywhere. i hear club 540 doesn't put up with bullshit.

if you want to help anybody it would be much better if you just help him instead of leaving this forum, i always try to help and i didn't see much bashing of newbies on here too.....
but i mean you CAN leave this forum if you don't like it much it's your own choice...
but you also gonna lose all the positive stuff tt gives you..

Flowers
Sep-10-08, 01:29 PM
you really are an ass.
I said that para cork or full, was the name I first heard, and I used. the result is that I and alot of other people have called it this for years. And it somwaht sence since the move ends with a parafuso or double leg. but para cork is more practical when speaking.

if you sa: I am going to do a combo, cork d-legg, hook, 540.
then people hear, corck, d-legg, hook, 540. witch is a different combo.
if you say, paracork, hook, 540 there is no room for missunderstanding..

its just more practical

Logic wins.

saulus
Sep-10-08, 01:30 PM
this is an internet forum.


this is so true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt R
Sep-10-08, 01:32 PM
but para cork is more practical when speaking.

if you sa: I am going to do a combo, cork d-legg, hook, 540.
then people hear, corck, d-legg, hook, 540. witch is a different combo.
if you say, paracork, hook, 540 there is no room for missunderstanding..

its just more practical

Yes sure, but its WRONG. I dont get how your not getting this, it doesnt matter if YOU think its more convienient, its wrong.

We decide what to call things, because there is no 'Governing tricking body' it is simply just all of us tricksters added up.



Again, where did you make this shit up? Trick names are made by the people who started and invented tricks.

If that was true why havnt you renamed Boxcutter to something more "practical"?

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 01:32 PM
haha this thread is great.

Skilzat85X
Sep-10-08, 01:34 PM
Oh whatever Towels (and Sebben) that logic completely fails.

Let's look at some more applicable examples of trick names that remain unchanged, but may, to the stupid ear, seem confusing:

Cheat 720 > Hook > B-Twist > Round > 540
Raiz > s/t > Cork > Swipe Knife
Double Leg > Hook > Sideswipe

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:34 PM
skillz...
I never said his agument was invalid, I just said he was an ass.

and as far as I go on tt, I try to not bash people for no reason, but offcourse I have runned my mouth. But For the most part, I am honest and try to give costructive feedback.
but when he calls me a fucking cock, I am still going to call him a em faggot, even if this is the internett :P

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:37 PM
so who calls a cheat 1080 twist kackroll?

saulus
Sep-10-08, 01:37 PM
skillz...
I never said his agument was invalid, I just said he was an ass.

and as far as I go on tt, I try to not bash people for no reason, but offcourse I have runned my mouth. But For the most part, I am honest and try to give costructive feedback.
but when he calls me a fucking cock, I am still going to call him a em faggot, even if this is the internett :P

it's good to call him a faggot!!
but you seem to be really pissed and you shouldn't be!

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:39 PM
no worries I am not pissed by any mean,, not my intent to come across that way either :P

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 01:40 PM
Pitlock landed the 1080 twist and called it a kackroll.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:42 PM
I know, but after that happened 9 outta 100 people I've met still calls it a cali roll.

this is my point: people learned the name as a cheat 1080 twist or a cali roll.. people still call it that, even though, the unwritten tricking law says different :P

J-Slide
Sep-10-08, 01:42 PM
try to just pike over your head lol idk it just happens

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 01:45 PM
You can call something whatever you want, it's your own freedom.

The point is, it doesn't make it right.

Since Pitlock landed the 1080 twist and named it kackroll, it makes it a kackroll hah.

kim do invented the kim do, so you call it a kim do, but you can call it a double leg x-out or a flange, but it's still wrong.

Skilzat85X
Sep-10-08, 01:48 PM
Not to mention that it's quite a different circumstance.

Has noone read my argument! The term "para" is meaningless by itself! It means NOTHING, it carries no application!

And don't try to compare "Paracork" to something like Boxcutter, or Cali Roll. Why? Because you guys are implying that Paracork is some sort of technically correct term, or that it makes sense by our current tricking naming conventions. However, it doesn't!

Boxcutter and Caliroll, and such are non-technical terms (which can be replace with technical ones at will), whereas Paracork is an attempt to combine two specific trick names to create a new one, but it doesn't.

Ah ha! I know what you're going to say next. "What about Hyperhook? It's a technical name combining two technical terms!" Ahh yes, well that's because Hyper Hook stands for Hypertwist Hook, as we all know, and it's simply shortening the term "hypertwist" to "hyper". Which means it should be able to be expanded and shortened at will.
But can we do that with "Paracork?" "Parafuso Cork"? It makes no sense!
One could also reason that "hyperhook", while resembling technical terms, is not actually a technical term, as some use it as a suffix (similar to Double Leg), or break it apart to use as things like fulls and aerial twists and cheat 720 twists and such, "Cheat 720 Twist Hyper Hook", "Hyper Aerial Twist Hook", "Hyper Full Hook", etc etc.


This is possibly the most pointless argument I've ever formed. But I love it.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:48 PM
to k-slash


thats my point,, even tough its wrong,, people is still going to call it that. Cause they dont care if its wrong

Skilzat85X
Sep-10-08, 01:54 PM
I'm not saying you have to stop using the term "paracork". I'm just saying it's not the technically correct term that all it's lovers are making it out to be.

Plus I'm arguing just for the sake of taking part in this glorious discussion.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:55 PM
And don't try to compare "Paracork" to something like Boxcutter, or Cali Roll. Why? Because you guys are implying that Paracork is some sort of technically correct term,

we dont use technically cerrect terms anymore.
cheat 720 was called c540hook. and cork was called 540twist. things is ot logical in tricking.
I know that i have statet that parecork is logical. but you get my point xD

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 01:56 PM
Nobody is saying not to use it haha, they are just saying it's wrong.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 01:57 PM
and OK. I wont argue that its "correct" but i will stick to my guns and say that it is more practical, and all over a "better" terminology.. I say this knowlingy that you will say I am wrong skillz :P

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 01:59 PM
It can't be better if it's not real or correct haha.

I know what you mean though.

It's easier to say para than dleg in that way.

Because it makes it into one word instead of sounding like a trick then double leg stuck on the end as if you were comboing.

But not really because only idiots would get confused.

Skilzat85X
Sep-10-08, 02:00 PM
we dont use technically cerrect terms anymore.
cheat 720 was called c540hook.
That's because C540Hook doesn't make sense in regular terminology. It does in TKT, but it's best to use just one or the other. So unless you use it, the term really is sorta misleading.
and cork was called 540twist.
Well back then corks used to be 540 degree twists.

Nowadays, they're only slanted gainers with a 360 degree twist (the better version, if I do say so myself!)

simon
Sep-10-08, 02:00 PM
ok, i can land trick x with my hands down.
but i can't remember what to do when you land tricks with your hands down to get them good.
i wish i had done more of trick x when i started!

sebben
Sep-10-08, 02:07 PM
That's because C540Hook doesn't make sense in regular terminology. It does in TKT, but it's best to use just one or the other. So unless you use it, the term really is sorta misleading.

Well back then corks used to be 540 degree twists.

Nowadays, they're only slanted gainers with a 360 degree twist (the better version, if I do say so myself!)

I agree, im just saying, that the "true" name of things, is not always the most common. and not even the best.

this is basically my angle on this matter:wink: and even though I love old school corks the later version is better to me:tongue:

but I feel there is no mre flare to this discussion, so im guessing it has ended?

k-slash
Sep-10-08, 02:14 PM
I love the apparent seriousness of this shit debate hahahah.

sebben
Sep-10-08, 02:16 PM
haha, I really try to not be to serious,, maybe ive should have used more smiley's.


:) :P :P :P :D :D :D (I am only quick posting) so only bad smileys here :D

jan
Sep-10-08, 02:38 PM
I CALL MY CHEAT720S 540HOOKS BECAUSE THE TERM FLOWS EASIER, AND IT'S BADASS.

540. HOOK.

simon
Sep-10-08, 02:48 PM
I CALL MY PENIS JAMES BECAUSE IT REMINDS ME OF CRAZY ASIAN.

CRAZY. ASIAN. PENIS.

simon
Sep-10-08, 02:49 PM
Hey Jan!
You should come back to Scotland when Scott is here!
We can have a real gym session!

jan
Sep-10-08, 02:52 PM
REALLY??? LIKE LAST TIME???? WHERE I SPENT £200 ISH ON GOING FROM NORWAY TO SCOTLAND ONLY TO BE KICKED OUT OF THE GYM (ALONG WITH EVERYONE) AND HAVING TO TRICK FOR 20 MINUTES ON HARDWOOD FLOOR WITH SHIN SPLINTS, THEN GO HOME?

FREAKING GYM KIDS DOING FRONT ROLLS ON PLYO, HAHA.

I want to go back, but I can't afford it atm:P

saulus
Sep-10-08, 02:55 PM
I CALL MY PENIS JAMES BECAUSE IT REMINDS ME OF CRAZY ASIAN.

CRAZY. ASIAN. PENIS.

ahahahahahahahah i laughed so hard at this!!!

simon
Sep-10-08, 02:58 PM
REALLY??? LIKE LAST TIME???? WHERE I SPENT £200 ISH ON GOING FROM NORWAY TO SCOTLAND ONLY TO BE KICKED OUT OF THE GYM (ALONG WITH EVERYONE) AND HAVING TO TRICK FOR 20 MINUTES ON HARDWOOD FLOOR WITH SHIN SPLINTS, THEN GO HOME?

FREAKING GYM KIDS DOING FRONT ROLLS ON PLYO, HAHA.

I want to go back, but I can't afford it atm:P
i promise it will be a real session, with real people.and k slash.
i will even come to the airport this time!
and not be ill!

jan
Sep-10-08, 03:10 PM
Will Matt R be there to show me how he can kick, brandy and crash aswitch?:D

Matt R
Sep-10-08, 05:22 PM
You know you loved that hardwood floor session jan.

Crashing ftw.

Flowers
Sep-10-08, 06:30 PM
IMO I don't think there will ever be a 100% true and correct "proper" terminology for anything in the world. There are the terms that are the most wildly excepted by our languages (If you want to make it even more complicated switch it up)

You have to get to the base of the idea and think about what defines something. What gives something it's name. Someone could land a triple cork round and call it a 540crescent squared if they really wanted to. Does that make a triple cork round a 540crescent squared?
Perhaps, depending on your how you decide whats "true and Accurate" and what's "Practical and widely used"


It's a lot like abortion. When does a life start? At conception?





and ps, It's a kackroll to me and everyone I talk to in person haha. Goddamn kackroll

shengoikee
Sep-10-08, 06:33 PM
are you high towels?

haha

Flowers
Sep-10-08, 06:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaGVObIdck&feature=related


read the description. *smile*

Fearless
Sep-12-08, 04:11 AM
Because thats not the name of the tricks you stupid cock.

Why dont we all start renaming tricks for fun? Swampuswipe and backflump.

Moron.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAAAA

dpitlock
Sep-12-08, 07:17 AM
Pitlock landed the 1080 twist and called it a kackroll.

YAY!!!