Fatburners

[Patrik]

Yeap, I've never even looked at these products in the past becuse I found them a little faggot-like. Now however, I want to try it out for various reasons (+1 rippness). I have zero knowledge on this kind of supplement, so I'm asking you people that dwell in this subforum.

I scouted and found some random products like 'ALA' and 'CLA' capsules. Also found some 'ALC' powder:
"Acetyl L-Carnitine is a modified amino acid that supports cellular energy production by assisting in the transport of fat into the mitochondria where it is oxidized and converted into ATP (chemical energy for the cell). Acetyl L-Carnitine is a highly bioavailable form a L-Carnitine which helps to maintain healthy cellular energy metabolism and supports brain function. "

Sounds good sure, but what are my options?

I'm clueless of what to get, please make some reccomendations of what and why.

[Origional]

I scouted and found some random products like 'ALA' and 'CLA' capsules. Also found some 'ALC' powder:
"Acetyl L-Carnitine is a modified amino acid that supports cellular energy production by assisting in the transport of fat into the mitochondria where it is oxidized and converted into ATP (chemical energy for the cell). Acetyl L-Carnitine is a highly bioavailable form a L-Carnitine which helps to maintain healthy cellular energy metabolism and supports brain function. "


To my knowledge(i may be wrong) this does not sound possible, or at a minimum feasable. If it does by some means work, I doubt it would be better than a piece of fruit.




Saying this, I would like to see what other people think, and if it really does work (I may be wrong:ogre:).

[Jon P]

I plan on experimenting with fatburners as well in probably about 6 months or so...
Just purely out of curiosity. So I would be interested in hearing any experiences or info from people as well.

Obviously though, if you want to get cut than the healthiest way would just be to change your diet and exersize...
There is no magic pill that will do all the hardwork for you...

[-Envy-]

EC works pretty well.

[short gorilla]

Classic Ephedra, Caffeine, and Aspirin.

[Skippy]

I find it so hard to believe there is anything that can actually burn off the fat currently on your body and that anything that speeds up your metabolic rate could melt it off either.

Cardio work ftw.

[Tossman]

Does CLA = Conjugated Linoleic Acid? If so, that doesn't work for people.

[short gorilla]

Does CLA = Conjugated Linoleic Acid? If so, that doesn't work for people.

Yes.

[Origional]

fat burners is for rich people with a shit diet trying to get their essential nutrients. The above statement is just a piece of fruit, accept they charge $10 for it.

[cepopeye]

Forslean is great, its not exactly a fat burner in the traditional sense but Men's ealth did a big spot on it and it recently became popular. It works sort of opposite of other fatburners in such a way that its almost too good to be true, and kindof is because the effects are fairly mild but definately there.

Basically, instead of boosting your metabolism to burn fat, it creates the enzymes that break down fat and thus gives you energy without messing with your metabolism.

Taking it won't make you skinny though, effectively what its good for is making sure that when you are burning fat in other ways (cardio) that the fat actually does burn off and that what you burn is fat, not body mass. Also, brning fat in this way boosts your testosterone level mildly, and lowers your bloodpressure

I had some luck with Hydroxycut Hardcore, but it literally made me crazy/borderline suicidal. The anxiety attacks were greater than the benefit, and the price itself was basically enormous

[paulSA]

Classic Ephedra, Caffeine, and Aspirin.

ephedra/ephedrine is illegal in most countries or difficult to get your hands on because of the health risks involved. Most fatburners you find at supplement stores work, but i always have digestive problems when using them. Try getting your hands on Clenbuterol....

It speeds up the process of fatburning in your body. It has very similar effects like ephedra, speeding up your heart rate, body temp increase etc... But its actually a more powerfull thermogenic fatburner... But once again, its not easy to get your hands on it.

All this being said, adjust your diet accordingly and go for a herbal thermogenic fatburner and do cardio till you almost die.... this should get you ripped well enough :good:

[Patrik]

Thanks for the replys.

To clear things up I didn't think that I could just take this stuff and start sitting on my ass and still loose fat. I am not fat, not one bit, it's just that I am currently in my strength-work season and my diet is in surplus.
So I was interested in a product that would make my bodyfat more available as an energy source. So yea, I'd like to minimize fat gain during current program.

Stuff in more cardio? I've heard (yes I don't know) that too much cardio will cripple my strength-gain, compared to not doing any cardio. Oops, can anyone shine some light on that as well? Since it's highly relevant.

[paulSA]

True, but you should still be able to easily do cardio 4 times a week without losing any strength at all.....just make sure you dont do intense cardio for longer than 20mins at a time, or just jump on a treadmill and walk at 6kph for an hour...Its a good way of releasing energy and you wont burn up muscle fibre due to maintaining a low body temperature.... If you just want your energy to be more available to you try a Apple Cider Vinegar product....it basicly just turns fat into energy for quick use.

[Patrik]

Forslean is great, its not exactly a fat burner in the traditional sense but Men's ealth did a big spot on it and it recently became popular. It works sort of opposite of other fatburners in such a way that its almost too good to be true, and kindof is because the effects are fairly mild but definately there.

Basically, instead of boosting your metabolism to burn fat, it creates the enzymes that break down fat and thus gives you energy without messing with your metabolism.

Taking it won't make you skinny though, effectively what its good for is making sure that when you are burning fat in other ways (cardio) that the fat actually does burn off and that what you burn is fat, not body mass. Also, brning fat in this way boosts your testosterone level mildly, and lowers your bloodpressure

Cool, I just checked it out (http://www.slimirex.com/faqs.html), seems quite nice yeap.
Didn't find any stores in my region that sells it though. Would be fun to try.

[Rahf]

Gain weight slowly, problem solved.

[Kitosho]

To my knowledge(i may be wrong) this does not sound possible, or at a minimum feasable. If it does by some means work, I doubt it would be better than a piece of fruit.


fat burners is for rich people with a shit diet trying to get their essential nutrients. The above statement is just a piece of fruit, accept they charge $10 for it.

you are dumb

Classic Ephedra, Caffeine, and Aspirin.

basically, yes

I find it so hard to believe there is anything that can actually burn off the fat currently on your body and that anything that speeds up your metabolic rate could melt it off either.


there is

ephedra/ephedrine is illegal in most countries or difficult to get your hands on because of the health risks involved. Most fatburners you find at supplement stores work, but i always have digestive problems when using them. Try getting your hands on Clenbuterol....



The health risks created by clenbuterol are far greater and the legalities far more vague than those associated with ephedra

[Kitosho]

If you just want your energy to be more available to you try a Apple Cider Vinegar product....it basicly just turns fat into energy for quick use.



wait i forgot who i was talking to nevermind

[paulSA]

Sorry mate, but your wrong.... Clenbuterol is a bronchodilator, and its used to treat asthma...it is a precscription drug in most countries and isnt freely available. But saying that it has greater health risks compared to ephedra? haha. thats funny. And at the end of the day, anything used in the wrong way and wrong dosage, is dangerous. Cant be bothered to tell you what dosage is good, but i have used it for fat loss in a two week cycles for every second day in 60 microgram dosage.

[paulSA]

as for Apple Cider Vinegar, look it up yourself...

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Natural-Apple-Cider-Vinegar-Fat-Burner-Is-Good-For-Us&id=954503

[Steve]

I looked it up and it appears to be useless

[-Envy-]

ephedra/ephedrine is illegal in most countries or difficult to get your hands on because of the health risks involved. Most fatburners you find at supplement stores work, but i always have digestive problems when using them. Try getting your hands on Clenbuterol....

It speeds up the process of fatburning in your body. It has very similar effects like ephedra, speeding up your heart rate, body temp increase etc... But its actually a more powerfull thermogenic fatburner... But once again, its not easy to get your hands on it.

All this being said, adjust your diet accordingly and go for a herbal thermogenic fatburner and do cardio till you almost die.... this should get you ripped well enough :good:


Ephedrine is easily obtainable over the counter in the form of asthma medication. Bronkaid and Primatene are a couple of brand names.

And, ug. Pretty much everything you wrote in here is crap.

[Steve]

It's not as though a Swede is just going to go to the drug store and pick up asthma medication though ha ha, although obviously you could probably easily order mormon tea from the internet and no one would care.

[short gorilla]

True, but you should still be able to easily do cardio 4 times a week without losing any strength at all.....just make sure you dont do intense cardio for longer than 20mins at a time, or just jump on a treadmill and walk at 6kph for an hour...Its a good way of releasing energy and you wont burn up muscle fibre due to maintaining a low body temperature.... If you just want your energy to be more available to you try a Apple Cider Vinegar product....it basicly just turns fat into energy for quick use.

20 minutes of cardio at a low pace will not help you lose weight, period. Especially not fat, there isn't a significant enough calorie imbalance created. 20 minutes is barely enough time to get your glycogen stores down. Low body temperature and muscle preservation have little if anything to do with one another, unless you are literally on fire. Your apple cider vinegar idea is total bullshit, there is absolutely no scientific evidence backing that claim. And your advice to use a prescription inhaler for weight loss, as opposed to a diet supplement, is just stupid. "That supplement is illegal, so why don't you steal this medicine or trick a doctor into prescribing it to you?" The latter of course being impossible since you can't fake asthma. Oh, and Clenbuterol is not approved by the FDA for use in the U.S. either, so you like, quadruple fail.

[Kitosho]

i have never been wrong about anything

[Tossman]

Gonna have to agree with Short there regarding cardio.
But in all fairness, Paul did say that Clenbuterol was "not easy to get your hands on".

[Kitosho]

paul more like faul as in foul as in his advice is just plain foul am i right guys

[short gorilla]

Gonna have to agree with Short there regarding cardio.
But in all fairness, Paul did say that Clenbuterol was "not easy to get your hands on".

Yes, he did say that, but I'm saying that his idea that Clenbuterol is a better alternative to Ephedrine is stupid.

[Steve]

Especially considering ephedrine is clearly more available than clenbuterol

[Konnar]

Fatality

[zambri]

is there any one with knowledge on carb blockers?

[paulSA]

Dont you idiots realise that the USA isnt the only country where people are from in this forum? Yes, ephedra may be freely available there, but it isnt in Auz.

Read my post about cardio again...i said ''20 minutes of intense cardio''.....

Im sorry but i wont listen to your bullshit if youve never even tried the products yourself. I found Ephedrine gave me high bloodpressure and a high bpm heart rate, this gave me anxiety and made me aggresive and i had extreme lows in the mornings before taking. While on Clen i didnt have this at all. That is why i say out of personal experience i would recomend Clen tabs/gel. And yes, if you know where to look its just as easy to buy Clen as it is to buy clean Ephedrine that isnt in its medicinal form, but already processed into an ECA Stack. Ephedrine is not freely available in Auz, so Steve your statement is irrelevant as laws differ from country to country.

Your statement about ACV being useless is totaly unsupported to.

and ah, Kitosho, i love how you always have so much to say about what everyone else has said, but never have any rellavent input to give yourself...I pity you.

[Kitosho]

and ah, Kitosho, i love how you always have so much to say about what everyone else has said, but never have any rellavent input to give yourself...I pity you.





i know more about stuff than you do

[paulSA]

i know more about stuff than you do

oooh, dont hurt yourself using such big words.....''stuff''

[Steve]

oooh, dont hurt yourself using such big words.....''stuff''

Says the guy who whined when I mentioned his misspelling of "broccoli"

[Steve]

Also the OP lives in Sweden so your bitching about Australian law means fuck all you big gay

[Steve]

And my statement about ACV being useless is pure logic. Why not pull up some statements from professionals about the efficacy of ACV in fat loss besides "it has pectin which makes you poop more" from some fat Asian woman on a wiki site?

This is all rhetoric of course, you needn't even look. I don't need to support my factual opinion that apple cider vinegar is nothing more than fiber, sugar, and vinegar, and does nothing more for weight loss than any other things containing these ingredients, due to the fact science follows a positive evidence method, not blindfiring a bunch of superstitious bullshit and forcing people to disprove it (also why all creation-based religions are a shot in the dark).

[short gorilla]

I looked in vain for any scientific research backing any claim that ACV helped people lose weight. I found none, and you don't produce any to support your claims. And who said I have never tried any of these things? Now you're making assumptions. And obviously there are lots of people from multiple countries that post on here. And actually what you said about cardio was:

just make sure you dont do intense cardio for longer than 20mins at a time, or just jump on a treadmill and walk at 6kph for an hour.

so shut the fuck up.

[paulSA]

Also the OP lives in Sweden so your bitching about Australian law means fuck all you big gay

exactly you tool! so how would you know whats available there? the whole point is to give options on this thread. not fucking bitch and moan about what everyone recommends as you seem to do in every thread you post in.

[short gorilla]

That's exactly what you're doing, you dolt.

[Steve]

exactly you tool! so how would you know whats available there? the whole point is to give options on this thread. not fucking bitch and moan about what everyone recommends as you seem to do in every thread you post in.

I know what's available there because I regularly correspond with people who live there (such as Karlnold) and neighboring countries, which is how I deduced that it would be utterly impossible to obtain clenbuterol in Sweden also, ha ha. The reason I complain about what people (you) recommend is because it is a load of horse shit.

[paulSA]

I looked in vain for any scientific research backing any claim that ACV helped people lose weight. I found none, and you don't produce any to support your claims. And who said I have never tried any of these things? Now you're making assumptions. And obviously there are lots of people from multiple countries that post on here. And actually what you said about cardio was:



so shut the fuck up.

I dont need to show you scientific support, im not trying to prove myself. The products worked for me, thats why i said 'try'...faggot. Obviously you are more of an ape than i thought. What i said about cardio is still the same ffs! Do intense cardio, but not longer for 20 mins! Do intense cardio for 20 mins! whats the difference? And if you were to do weight training before light cardio, you would deplete you glycogen stores anyway!

[Steve]

You would deplete glycogen stores if you branled vigorously as well.

[short gorilla]

I dont need to show you scientific support, im not trying to prove myself.

Then... stop posting?

The products worked for me, thats why i said 'try'...faggot. Obviously you are more of an ape than i thought.

Failure.

What i said about cardio is still the same ffs! Do intense cardio, but not longer for 20 mins! Do intense cardio for 20 mins! whats the difference? And if you were to do weight training before light cardio, you would deplete you glycogen stores anyway!

Yes, but as long as we're throwing down here I'm going to point out again that this still does not create a negative caloric balance, which is what you do not want after an intense lifting session anyways. You need to recover from heavy lifting post workout, not drain yourself more, which is his primary concern, is it not?

Its a good way of releasing energy and you wont burn up muscle fibre due to maintaining a low body temperature.... If you just want your energy to be more available to you try a Apple Cider Vinegar product....it basicly just turns fat into energy for quick use.

Where in here does it say it worked for you? What part of this does not sound like a baseless scientific claim on your part?

[Steve]

meow

[Rahf]

Weightlifting doesn't consume much energy anyway.

Woof.

[Kitosho]

i know more about stuff than you do




conjecture verified

[Steve]

Weightlifting doesn't consume much energy anyway.

Woof.

It does if you do it football/Gears of War style

[Kitosho]

*growls*

*throws dumbbell*

raaaah

[shengoikee]

dumbasses shouldn't take clenbuterol anyway

[Steve]

*runs up and down stairs carrying 20 kg plates*

[shengoikee]

i occasionally warm up for weight training by running up and down stairs haha

[Steve]

*jumps down hall with 135 pounds on back*

[short gorilla]

Duck walk with a tree over your back.

[Kitosho]

GO FRAT

or

GO HOME

[Rahf]

It does if you do it football/Gears of War style

From what I saw of that game, they'll consume an equal amount of energy as a Tour de France competitor would just by getting out of bed and dressing.

[short gorilla]

How are you Rahf?

[Rahf]

Jetlagged, weak, drinking a pre-workout drink with ALOT of caffeine in a few minutes and then heading off to the gym.

Generally I'm good though. Will be heading to the U.S. for a longer stay in April.

What about you, Short?

[Steve]

From what I saw of that game, they'll consume an equal amount of energy as a Tour de France competitor would just by getting out of bed and dressing.

Yes basically the point is all the characters are rough and tough linebacker/steroid types who never stop full-intensity activity except to gorge themselves

[Rahf]

And they have the most unconventional chainsaw as well. Which of course makes the enemies spray liquid rust and not blood (referring to the gray/brown colour scheme).

[Less than Dan]

Try Phen Phen, I hear that shit is great.

[Patrik]

Thread is knocked off track, noes. Anyway, that for the input guys.
Also, to clear things up, ephedrine is not available legaly in Sweden.

[Rahf]

Ephedrine is available in the form of prescription medicine.

[Patrik]

Well ok, not just anyone can buy it then.