As skill goes up, effort on basics must go down?

[Inkrepid]

I've noticed this a lot recently. As I get better, I find that if I try to tornado kick as hard as possible, it's just all wack. However, if I try to do it with say 50% effor it comes out beautiful.

Last week I fixed up my btwist, and now its the same way. Is there a way to do tricks at 100% effort without doing their more advanced variations, or is this just the way it gets when you get good?

[shengoikee]

i think this is incorrect haha

but i understand your point

when you put maximum effort into basics (i.e. jump 8 foot in the air on tornado kicks like ott) then your tricks start to get awesome

[Matt R]

Umm tornado kick and btwist are ultimate basic.

[dpitlock]

Who fucking practices those? You just sort of do them.

[jo>.<el]

basics should be mastered and done with like 1% effort , a tornado kick should come out in your sleep

[Inkrepid]

err...you guys completely missed the point.

[breykdown]

i bet 90% of the people who say basics should be easy as shit, have shitty basics

i would be one of them


i think its more about control. if you cant put 100% of your power into a move, its because you dont usually practice it with 100% effort. so when you put a little "umph" into your moves, it may throw you off balance. i would say its about controlling your body with power, not controlling the power of your body

[dpitlock]

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. YOU ARE JUST DOING SOMETHING WRONG, NEXT STEP IS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT! POST YOUR TORNADO KICK.

[Augenatic]

Then you just can't control your tornado kick with the height haha, effort shouldn't go down! It looks much cooler with the 8 feet of height

[Inkrepid]

My tornado kick is hella sexy.

Theres some in here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktH6F8NPlOA

It should be noted that this samp is full of all my basics, as it was done with a recovering ankle.

However, If I try to do it with all the effort I can muster up, max height etc. It just comes out really weird...and I end up kinda doing a sloppy parafuso out of it.

I'll post up some footage of my new btwist later. Its about a foot higher than my old ones...but it is actually uglier. However, hypers are crazy easy..but I still overrotate them...need to spot my landing better.

[Anubis]

regardless of how high your skill becomes, you should still have to focus on performing a basic kick or trick. anyone saying that they can perform "whatever" trick effortless, probably does not try to do that trick perfect every time...they just do it and how it comes out...is how it comes out.

[Dave C]

I used to succumb to this phenomenon as well. It's not an issue of how hard to execute the move necessarily, but WHERE you execute it hard (does that make sense?).

Obviously a cheat1080 will have a far more aggressive takeoff than a 540, the difference is that in the 540 you're applying the force over a much smaller area.

So there's no need to chill out the entire move, Inkrepid, just make sure you're aggressive when it matters!

[Inkrepid]

I used to succumb to this phenomenon as well. It's not an issue of how hard to execute the move necessarily, but WHERE you execute it hard (does that make sense?).

Obviously a cheat1080 will have a far more aggressive takeoff than a 540, the difference is that in the 540 you're applying the force over a much smaller area.

So there's no need to chill out the entire move, Inkrepid, just make sure you're aggressive when it matters!

This is probably a better explanation. I used to always need more height...so I'd go for height etc. Now in my tornado kicks I go for more speed...and btwists I wanted more height. Now I got it, but perhaps I should slow the twist down, or open sooner etc...I'll try to get some footy up later.

[Dave C]

Right. Remember you can apply speed or force to whatever part of the move you want. Try slowing the rotation but speeding up the kick, or speeding up the rotation and slowing the kick. Little variations like this are the root of style

[Inkrepid]

I wanna be faster than terada! I'm going to speed up everything!

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

[David M.]

540 is a basic, yet i continue to put a mass of effort into it; not because it is hard to do, but simply because I want to take off someone's head with it.

I have the same mentality with all my tricks, regardless of 'skill level' the tricks may be.

I admit, tornados feel a lot better, because really I don't have to try anymore to do them. So I get what you mean on that point. I just don't really half ass anything regardless if it 'feels' good.

[Inkrepid]

I wonder how many people actually watched my tornado or know anything about the way I trick before assuming I just have sloppy basics and dont try.

[Dave C]

What's that saying?

Trick2Kill or something?

[dpitlock]

I don't have to try on double btwist anymore. Or c9 & c9h

[Inkrepid]

I don't have to try on double btwist anymore. Or c9 & c9h

God I hate you dan.

<3

[Origional]

For me basics are always hard. Not because I can't do them well, but because I focus all my effort on improving them. I put the same effort in my c10 attempts as I do my tornados just because I want the trick to be the best it can. For me, an hour spent drilling pop3's to gain just that 1 extra inch on the kick is not a wasted effort.

[JiayoJames]

lol well it depends... on single tricks I don't have that problem... but like if I'm doing a combo and I'm finding a particular transition puts me off balance or isn't working properly, then I'll slow it down and use less power until I can control it better.

[TKDtrickster]

Who fucking practices those? You just sort of do them.

bahahaa exactly.

[BrandonLenz]

i bet 90% of the people who say basics should be easy as shit, have shitty basics

i would be one of them


i think its more about control. if you cant put 100% of your power into a move, its because you dont usually practice it with 100% effort. so when you put a little "umph" into your moves, it may throw you off balance. i would say its about controlling your body with power, not controlling the power of your body

You kinds remind me of towels when u trick... Basics... Drill drill drill

[BboyAgua]

My tornado kick is hella sexy.

Theres some in here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktH6F8NPlOA


No it's not. It doesn't even look like a trick. It looks like you do an autobahn, but forgot to throw the hook. Your foot plants at nearly the same time you throw the kick. You need to re-work it completely if that's still what you consider a tornado kick. Same thing for your btwists and jackknives.

I don't consider my tornado to be the end-all in terms of technique, but I need an example.
YhFnkq5CU6E

Jump up as high as possible, kick as fully as possible, and make it look like a trick, even if it's just "a basic" to you.

So to answer the thread title... no.

[Skippy]

I AGREE WITH TREV. IT LOOKED PRETTY BUT IT HAS NO HEIGHT, IT LOOKED MORE AUTOBHANYYYYY. IT WAS STILL PRETTY BUT NOT A GOOD TORNADO. I THINK OTT HAS THE ONLY REAL TORNADO I'VE SEEN SO FAR I REALLY APPROVE OF HAHA.

http://www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/Life/WeddellSeal.jpg

[Skilzat85X]

No it's not. It doesn't even look like a trick. It looks like you do an autobahn, but forgot to throw the hook.
Mehhhh?
You need to re-work it completely if that's still what you consider a tornado kick. Same thing for your btwists and jackknives.

MEHHHHHHHH?

[BboyAgua]

I AGREE WITH TREV. IT LOOKED PRETTY BUT IT HAS NO HEIGHT, IT LOOKED MORE AUTOBHANYYYYY. IT WAS STILL PRETTY BUT NOT A GOOD TORNADO. I THINK OTT HAS THE ONLY REAL TORNADO I'VE SEEN SO FAR I REALLY APPROVE OF HAHA.

http://www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/Life/WeddellSeal.jpg

I love your seel, do you have any of approval? =]

Ott's tornado kick is on it's own level, I think it should have a new name. Also, Marcel Jones is pretty good at these tricks I hear...

[BboyAgua]

Mehhhh?

MEHHHHHHHH?

I SEE YOU AARON. I SEE YOU THERE!

To elaborate on the btwist and jacknive: he doesn't start a butterfly before twisting, so like me, he struggles to get his chest up. And on the jackknive, it's just a 540 with a hook upon landing.

[Skippy]

I love your seel, do you have any of approval? =]

Ott's tornado kick is on it's own level, I think it should have a new name. Also, Marcel Jones is pretty good at these tricks I hear...

Bboy Agua, you have earned this Seal of Approval with your cartwheel sideflips.

(haha, strongly aware at Skilzats post)



http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/Photography/Images/POD/s/sea-lion-australia-703813-sw.jpg








I like people who do basics and make them look advanced haha. Like Otts tornado, Anthony Atkins pop 360, Bubbas B twist, KGB's gainer flash etc. Like where it would be easier just to do a move more technically advanced than be able to do a move just like how they do it.

[Origional]

Anthony Atknis has the best 540 I have ever seen

[BboyAgua]

Anthony Atknis is the best I have ever seen

fixed for nostalgic excellence.

[Skilzat85X]

I SEE YOU AARON. I SEE YOU THERE!

To elaborate on the btwist and jacknive: he doesn't start a butterfly before twisting, so like me, he struggles to get his chest up. And on the jackknive, it's just a 540 with a hook upon landing.
Nevermind ahaha.

[BboyAgua]

HOW DO I DO THAT?

[Gravityjay]

I agree with BBoyagua in that your tornado has no height but i also noticed that with the exception of your round kick none of your kicks have a chamber... Trevor also has this but his looks nicer because of the higher extension... I'm very much of the "trick2kill" crowd a tornado kick, jacknife pop 7 should look like it would break someones face. Not mildly inconvenience them.

I was working tornados the other day for combo purposes but didn't film any :( I found tornado front to be the easiest to combo pop tricks without massively cheating the take off which made me happy as I usually fall over if I put too much into a pop 7/9

[TKD_Andy]

i think this is incorrect haha

but i understand your point

when you put maximum effort into basics (i.e. jump 8 foot in the air on tornado kicks like ott) then your tricks start to get awesome

absolutely.

[saunders]

I've noticed this a lot recently. As I get better, I find that if I try to tornado kick as hard as possible, it's just all wack. However, if I try to do it with say 50% effor it comes out beautiful.

Last week I fixed up my btwist, and now its the same way. Is there a way to do tricks at 100% effort without doing their more advanced variations, or is this just the way it gets when you get good?

it could be that you do your tricks too tensed. i have this sometimes.
when i put full effort in some moves they can turn out to be crappier than when i do them relaxed and with a little less effort.

[Inkrepid]

I tried really hard to come up with an intelligent response to the majority of the posts in this thread...but I think doing so may be near impossible.

Saunders however, is also very correct in his statement.

I'm done with this thread haha, I don't even know what to say.

[BboyAgua]

Huh? Did we not help? Sorry if I came off negative, but it sounds like you are taking this in a way not intended... or something.