540 Help: How to raise hip level

[Kellen_battles]

I am having major trouble with my 540s. Obviously I dont have a video so dont start bitching about it. Anywayz, I need to know how to raise your hips for the 540. My tornado kick is low and I dont leave the ground too much. In fact I pretty much stay on the ground except for a little hop. I really was wondering, how do you get more air on the 540 and how you raise your hips without completely losing balance and crashing?

HELP!!!!

[Miojo]

Train your tornado's first so you've got a decent one first, then go on to 540's. There's no point in trying 540 if your tornado kick is only a few inches of the floor.:wink:

[Augenatic]

"GUYS I CAN'T REALLY TORNADO HOW DO I STOP CRASHING MY 540 LOL"

[David M.]

practice.

[Madish]

Jump up with your nonkicking leg, use arms (throw violently up and wrap)
That's how to get a height.
And drill tornados more, obviously you havent got them mastered (you have to get down how the mechanism works):juji:

[Matty]

Jump up with your nonkicking leg, use arms (throw violently up and wrap)
That's how to get a height.
And drill tornados more, obviously you havent got them mastered (you have to get down how the mechanism works):juji:



^^^ what he said...and make sure when you learn them...there fast tornados that will take someones head off

[Skilzat85X]

Wait, so can you 540 at all yet?

[Kellen_battles]

No, but strangely I can front flip, B-twist, B-kick, and Aerial....

[BobReturns]

No, but strangely I can front flip, B-twist, B-kick, and Aerial....

Work your aerial higher and you'll be able to 540 soon

[del]

Work your aerial higher and you'll be able to 540 soon

could not be any anymore wrong.

























its the front flip which needs working on

[AjStyles]

chamber and kick

[Kellen_battles]

chamber and kick

sadly, I never grasped the whole chambering thing...

[anerky]

sadly, I never grasped the whole chambering thing...

bring your kicking leg up bent... then make it unbent... by kicking it
it's like compressing a spring and releasing it. A fully extended spring can't do much more than it's already done

edit*basically it makes it so that you can snap the kick instead of just swinging a leg

[sanouninja]

heres my 540 feedback please? http://www.megavideo.com/?v=TBR0AGH1

[Shadow5217]

I cant stand this.
"I dont know how to chamber that means I dont know how to do any of the essential kicks so how come I cant 540?"

Can you even Round Kick at all?

Its not strange that you know those other moves because they have nothing to do with a 540.

[tuareg]

Watch juji's tornado tutorial to understand how it works, then read his 540 tut.

Also looking for similar topics in this section helps as well as guides and writeups.

[Shadow5217]

Watch juji's tornado tutorial to understand how it works, then read his 540 tut.

Also looking for similar topics in this section helps as well as guides and writeups.

I get he is going to appreciate you for actually trying to help.

[tuareg]

that's an editted post, i was actually going to post a rant of sorts but decided against it haha.

[Kay]

No, but strangely I can front flip, B-twist, B-kick, and Aerial....

Thats strange....According to my calculations you should be able to double cork. . .Hmmmm

Maybe your lying

[mo_parkour]

Hi Tricksters! I'm Mo from Italy, I've started training 540 kick since last week... This is a little video that I made to show you my problems! Can you help me? What's wrong??

http://dailymotion.alice.it/mu_parkour/video/x7emne_learning-540_sport


PS: I'm sorry because I don't speak english very well

Respect Mo

[Kellen_battles]

Thats strange....According to my calculations you should be able to double cork. . .Hmmmm

Maybe your lying

Sadly I cant, my main problem with corks is that I wont attempt them. I refuse to try a corkscrew when I am too scared to backflip. Thats right, I cant backflip. Not much progress has been made either simply because I cant find a spotter who wants to spot me. I am 6'2 and weight 208, so If you can find someone brave enough to spot me then I would love to see them. Also I dont have access to a gym making my efforts even harder.

Also to earlier comment, I do know how to chamber. I just never knew what people meant by chambering. I learned Martial Arts on my own so I never learned terms. I just got better by watching videos and imitating.....

[mr_gonaka]

prraaaacccccttiiiiiccccccccccce. lots. drill the shit out of your tornado. keep er lit

[Shadow5217]

Taken from Sesshoumarus Article here is an explanation.



FORWARD
If there was anything that I would consider "paramount" in tricking is how to kick, and how to kick effectively. That is all…
BENEATH THE SURFACE…
When standing in a standard fighting stance, body weight is spread equally between the two feet. To kick, one foot must leave the floor; therefore, something
must be done with the weight that is on that foot. There are two ways to deal with this: shift the weight to the other foot, or do not shift it at all. Each method
has some advantages and disadvantages…
The requisite for all kick descriptions begins with the hands and ar ms in a basic guard position. This posture is presevered throughout the kicking technique,
and is done to prevent the body from being open to attack during mid-kick movements. The first major frame of the dynamic motion of most kicks is called the
"chamber". Also called "coiling" the chamber is the defining point between "kicking", and just moving your leg up and down. The chamber is also the next
position achieved after the kick goes through the target, this is called the "re-chamber".
Kicks are generally performed with the rear/trailing leg. Although front leg kicks are similar in movement, they are harder to do and are significantly less
powerful cause they have a shorter route of travel. However, they are much quicker and more likely to score in fight.
Some kicks are delivered while the front of the body faces the target, such as front kicks & axe kicks. Other kicks are performed with the side of the body
facing the opponent, such as side kicks & round kicks. There are even kicks that are used when the back of the body is facing the opponent, such as a back
kick. Kicks can be aimed at the lower, middle, and upper parts of the body…with all this variation, it becomes possible to kick at any angle and to any part of
another human body from a standstill, which makes the foot the most versatile weapon of the human body.
Shifting

The kicking leg is able to fully chamber before firing so maximum
muscle force may be applied to the kick.

If the kick misses the target or it is deflected or blocked, it may be
quickly and easily re-chambered and fired again.

While you may thrust or snap your weight behind a kick, the
weight stays centered over the kicking foot, so, if the kicking foot
is grabbed, you still have your balance and you have many
counter options available.

Your opponent may be able to read your weight shift and
anticipate the kick.
No-Shift

The weight of the body is falling into the kick, therefore it is applied to
the kick, giving it more mass and thus more power. The kick may be
used to drive the opponent backward.

Since there is no weight shift, the kick isn’t telegraphed, so there is no
sign that the kick is coming.

Since you are falling forward, the kicking leg can only partially
chamber. It must fire and retract quickly, so you do not fall.

If the kick misses its target or it is deflected or blocked, you must step
forward to keep from falling. Due to this, the leg cannot kick again and
you are left open to incoming attacks.

[Kellen_battles]

guys, I finally mastered the tornado after an hour of rigorous training and video watching. Ive decided to use this thread as a progress marker for my success on the tornado. As it turned out, when I jumped, I did not turn my body to help the kick across, I just left my torso facing the front with no turning at all. I get the 540 now and I will maybe have it by the end of the month. thnx...

[k-slash]

OH LAWDS!

fsfsfsfsfs

What you need to do, is drill roundhouse kicks and inside crescents. Work on spotting and kicking your target, pointing toes and kicking with your arms in a guard position.

Then work on the cheat set-up of a tornado kick, turning spotting and jumping, raising your knee (chambered). Once you can do that, work on throwing a round/inside crescent ontop of it.

THEN YOU WILL AHVE A TORNADO KICK.

Practice that for a long time untill it is high and the kick is snappy and on target.

THEN come back to this thread.

You cannot expect to learn a 540 without a base to learn from.

Now watch some roundhouse/inside crescent and tornado kick tutorials and practice your ass off.

[mr_gonaka]

OH LAWDS!

fsfsfsfsfs

What you need to do, is drill roundhouse kicks and inside crescents. Work on spotting and kicking your target, pointing toes and kicking with your arms in a guard position.

Then work on the cheat set-up of a tornado kick, turning spotting and jumping, raising your knee (chambered). Once you can do that, work on throwing a round/inside crescent ontop of it.

THEN YOU WILL AHVE A TORNADO KICK.

Practice that for a long time untill it is high and the kick is snappy and on target.

THEN come back to this thread.

You cannot expect to learn a 540 without a base to learn from.

Now watch some roundhouse/inside crescent and tornado kick tutorials and practice your ass off.

nuff said

[DarkXacreD]

Taken from Sesshoumarus Article here is an explanation.



FORWARD
If there was anything that I would consider "paramount" in tricking is how to kick, and how to kick effectively. That is all…
BENEATH THE SURFACE…
When standing in a standard fighting stance, body weight is spread equally between the two feet. To kick, one foot must leave the floor; therefore, something
must be done with the weight that is on that foot. There are two ways to deal with this: shift the weight to the other foot, or do not shift it at all. Each method
has some advantages and disadvantages…
The requisite for all kick descriptions begins with the hands and ar ms in a basic guard position. This posture is presevered throughout the kicking technique,
and is done to prevent the body from being open to attack during mid-kick movements. The first major frame of the dynamic motion of most kicks is called the
"chamber". Also called "coiling" the chamber is the defining point between "kicking", and just moving your leg up and down. The chamber is also the next
position achieved after the kick goes through the target, this is called the "re-chamber".
Kicks are generally performed with the rear/trailing leg. Although front leg kicks are similar in movement, they are harder to do and are significantly less
powerful cause they have a shorter route of travel. However, they are much quicker and more likely to score in fight.
Some kicks are delivered while the front of the body faces the target, such as front kicks & axe kicks. Other kicks are performed with the side of the body
facing the opponent, such as side kicks & round kicks. There are even kicks that are used when the back of the body is facing the opponent, such as a back
kick. Kicks can be aimed at the lower, middle, and upper parts of the body…with all this variation, it becomes possible to kick at any angle and to any part of
another human body from a standstill, which makes the foot the most versatile weapon of the human body.
Shifting

The kicking leg is able to fully chamber before firing so maximum
muscle force may be applied to the kick.

If the kick misses the target or it is deflected or blocked, it may be
quickly and easily re-chambered and fired again.

While you may thrust or snap your weight behind a kick, the
weight stays centered over the kicking foot, so, if the kicking foot
is grabbed, you still have your balance and you have many
counter options available.

Your opponent may be able to read your weight shift and
anticipate the kick.
No-Shift

The weight of the body is falling into the kick, therefore it is applied to
the kick, giving it more mass and thus more power. The kick may be
used to drive the opponent backward.

Since there is no weight shift, the kick isn’t telegraphed, so there is no
sign that the kick is coming.

Since you are falling forward, the kicking leg can only partially
chamber. It must fire and retract quickly, so you do not fall.

If the kick misses its target or it is deflected or blocked, you must step
forward to keep from falling. Due to this, the leg cannot kick again and
you are left open to incoming attacks.

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[Kellen_battles]

Now I am finally almost landing 540s, I have a problem though. My kicking leg buckles from underneath me when I try to land on it and Im not sure why. If I do a 540 I end up sometimes landing on the leg but it will give in. Keep in mind it is not easy to hold a lot of weight on one leg when moving that fast. What should I do to keep my leg from falling under me?

[Kay]

Do more Tornados
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0506/tornado_nguyen.jpg

[k-slash]

Now I am finally almost landing 540s, I have a problem though. My kicking leg buckles from underneath me when I try to land on it and Im not sure why. If I do a 540 I end up sometimes landing on the leg but it will give in. Keep in mind it is not easy to hold a lot of weight on one leg when moving that fast. What should I do to keep my leg from falling under me?
Are you serious man?

You are just being ignorant and rude.

There are many reasons why you cannot 540, and they have all been covered in this thread. You can either take our advice, or continue to fail 540 kicks.

[Augenatic]

K-slash is right, you should really listen a bit more! :smile:
You're crashing, because you haven't got enough height.. it has nothing to do with your weight or the legs speed haha. Drill more tornado kicks, and focus on the height!

[Kay]

BASICALLY!

This is your TO-DO LIST

Drill Tornado Kicks

Drill


and yeh u guessed it...Drill!

[Kellen_battles]

Ok, Ok, Ok. Sheesh this reminds me of school with all the people telling me i dont listen. Lol
Anyways I will try to do more tornadoes and get it down.

1. use arms to gain momentum
2. use tips of toes to get the maximum amount of height
3. throw non kicking leg into air high as humanly possible.
4. chamber the kicking leg
5. throw the kick
6. twist torso to pull kick across
7. land on kicking leg


Is that everything? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. (Like you havent already....)

[Ewasiuk]

Is that everything?

Find a way to get a video of your attempts and it will be that much easier to give you tips.

[mr_gonaka]

Ok, Ok, Ok. Sheesh this reminds me of school with all the people telling me i dont listen. Lol
Anyways I will try to do more tornadoes and get it down.

1. use arms to gain momentum
2. use tips of toes to get the maximum amount of height
3. throw non kicking leg into air high as humanly possible.
4. chamber the kicking leg
5. throw the kick
6. twist torso to pull kick across
7. land on kicking leg


Is that everything? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. (Like you havent already....)

yes ffs. you've got your checklist now go out there and DRILL!!

[Anubis]

one tip for getting your hips higher in a 540, is to kick it like a rear leg round kick, this way you hip should shift forward more making them slightly higher off the ground, and adding more extension to the kick as a whole.