Does lateness of twist matter?

[D.A.]

Does the point in a certain "twisted" trick determine/distinguish it from another trick with similar key movements?


Do you care about the amount of stall or kick before twisting, and the position (inversion, for example, or amount of flat spin performed) of the body before twisting?


If I twist "late" enough does it make it a different trick?


Can I "gyro" any trick?

who is anubis?

[BobReturns]

some tricks like jacknives cant be gyroed :)

[Ambitrixterous]

Does the point in a certain "twisted" trick determine/distinguish it from another trick with similar key movements?


Do you care about the amount of stall or kick before twisting, and the position (inversion, for example, or amount of flat spin performed) of the body before twisting?


If I twist "late" enough does it make it a different trick?


Can I "gyro" any trick?

who is anubis?

Whooo boy, some difficult questions you've asked here. My thoughts:

Flatspin is determined by application of momentum. Why do we flatspin 90 degrees on a Btwist? So that we are in the proper place to apply the momentum we've just created by moving in the direction we're traveling into the next trick. Same goes for doublelegs, raiz, etc.

Specifically or purposefully delaying the twist in a twisting trick creates a variation referred to by most (and in Aeriform) as "stall," as in "stall Btwist" (Manny and Prodigy do these a lot.) By my definitions of 'variation,' 'stylization,' and 'evolution' of tricks it makes it a different variation.

Distinguishing between vertical, horizontal, and inverted is one of our only real tools in categorizing tricks... so a big yes to these making different tricks here!

You can't gyro ANYthing, but only by definition of when things are finished. If a gyro is twist after "X" trick, you can officially NOT gyro a non-hypered kick since the end of a non-hypered kick would be the hypered version (so no "tornado gyro," only "540kick gyro" in the sense that initiating the gyro part while the kick is still out would be considered an improper gyro.) Depending on your definition of gyro this could be different.

I don't know who Anubis is.

[BobReturns]

dan perez, are you anubis?

[Ambitrixterous]

dan perez, are you anubis?

Aw man I already have 2 sides I don't think I can handle being somebody else

[BobReturns]

lolz.

[Safari]

I think you can gyro any move and yes I do think that the lateness can change the whole trick.

- Gyro is possible with enough height and control of rotation. backflip 360 gyro is possible. You go up twist, while waiting for the landing you do an extra 360 degrees. You have to have huge amounts of heigt to actually be able to do this.

- "Lateness" of the rotation basically changes a normal twist move to a gyro move. For instance D-leg gyro. If one does a d-leg gyro and does the gyro so early that you can't see the marked D-leg, it'll become a pop fulltwist of some sort.

I might be wrong, but this how I see it:tongue:

[saunders]

Aw man I already have 2 sides I don't think I can handle being somebody else

haha sigged

[rocketbaz]

- "Lateness" of the rotation basically changes a normal twist move to a gyro move. For instance D-leg gyro. If one does a d-leg gyro and does the gyro so early that you can't see the marked D-leg, it'll become a pop fulltwist of some sort.

i almost agree with this, except that you're forgetting -d-leg twist- wich also should be brought up if we're talking about lateness :) there is a difference between d-leg twist and gyro!

[AndyD11]

basically if you are gyroing a move you are doing the twist when you have completed all other type of rotation.
When you are twisting a move you are twisting just after the middle of the trick,
Using double leg as an example:
double leg gyro: your legs are facing back towards the ground and you are now nearly or completely upright before doing the 360 degrees rotation.
double leg twist: you have completed the kick and now on your way down in the move. The twist starts just after you have "hit the target".

yes in effect you can gyro any move :)

[D.A.]

some tricks like jacknives cant be gyroed :)

why not? If Alvin Chan can do a 360 hook gyro why not this?

[rocketbaz]

i will try jacknife gyro

[dpitlock]

Jackknife gyro is most definitely possible.

[gabrielb]

i've always envisioned it being like a slanted jacknife, not quite a swipeknife being the easisest way to gyro a jacknife.

[Skilzat85X]

I wholeheartedly agree with the principles Dan Perez brought out. :good:

I think you can, in principle, gyro any "vertical" kick. In practicality, it might not be possible simply because nobody can actually jump that high and do the trick fast enough to felicitate hitting the gyro before they touch the ground again.

[Augenatic]

Theoretically, all tricks can be gyroed :tongue:. I don't think a stalled version of a trick, is another trick than the original one - a dlegtwist is a double leg with a twist, if you twist right away, it's just not a dlegtwist. It's all about the doubleleg, if you don't do a doubleleg and then twist, it's not a d-leg twist - it has nothing to do with delaying/stalling

[MeatMachine]

Someone do an aerial gyro. Aerial, then 360 in the last 30° or so of rotation before your feet touch the floor.

[D.A.]

I remember the Jiayo guys doing that ^^^