creativity...

[pete_man_man]

me and dave think that being creative is often an attempt to make up for being bad at tricks. before you start being creative have you even attempted swingthroughs, multiple swingthroughs, basic carrythroughs etc or even fundamental/basic combos? can you double abc? can you do a technically perfect hook kick? at what point can someone tell you you're not being creative enough? (answer: they can't without being a dogmatic prick)

look at tricksters like teddy, punshi, anis, terada etc. are they known for being creative or for actually being "good".... hahaha

style/cleanness is everything. it doesn't matter what tricks you do.

WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR SLOPPY/BLAND STYLES HAHA

*co edited by dave/pete

[pete_man_man]

ask yourself

would you be embarrassed to 540 in public?

haha

[pete_man_man]

btw, we still <3 you andy. it's not a personal attack. =)

(consider the context mang)

[pete_man_man]

dave typed most of this haha

[Skilzat85X]

Haha what the nigg.

Quality is good but perfection in tricks is over-rotated...or over-focused...or over-blackpeople.

To be honest I don't see many people with ugly tricks trying to be creative. Hmm

[simon]

guys, i'm trying!



fakeedit:ok i'm not. i just do tricks i like because that's what i like.
LYK.

[pete_man_man]

Haha what the nigg.

Quality is good but perfection in tricks is over-rotated...or over-focused...or over-blackpeople.

To be honest I don't see many people with ugly tricks trying to be creative. Hmm
dave:
i respectfully disagree.

people don't "perfect" tricks to our current standards of perfection.

let's provide an example:

juji's cheat720 in ROD. it's landing completely on both feet (like a hyper). he fully pumps and the general aesthetic of the move is in no way compromised. he fully owns it.

how many people are doing that? how is it overrated? haha..

even the people who land the trick on both feet compromise the aesthetics compeletely or just cheat the hell out of it.


you can make ANY trick look good. the point is, people don't.

[pete_man_man]

ambidexterity is also second to clean/cool looking shit

[pete_man_man]

dave:

there are two things that take the fun out of tricking:

1. dogmatic pricks telling people how to trick ("be creative", "do more kicks", "you do too much twisting" etc) - (when in fact it's obvious what makes someone's tricks impressive)
2. comparing dick sizes

[TKD_Andy]

yeh lol

[simon]

my kip-up used to be perfect.
but then i stopped doing it because i learned other things.

[TKD_Andy]

dont tell me you learned a variation instead simon

[simon]

yeh lol
classic.

[TKD_Andy]

i couldnt resist, its a pretty lol topic

im worried about how little i care haha

[simon]

i was trying to do the kip-up swingthrough thing. it was the closest i got to variating the kip-up.

[pete_man_man]

just trick and smile.

[simon]

BUT I CANT KIPUP TO GAINER.
I WILL NEVER BE HAPPY.

[pete_man_man]

oh and never give unwanted advice.

[remthetreme]

i think you must be creative to have fun with tricks, drilling 5-6 moves every session is really boring

[pete_man_man]

to have fun with tricks you must use the force

let go!

*death star explosion*

[Alexx]

argh my nintendo ds is so awesome

[JiayoJames]

It's true haha I sometimes try to compensate for not being able to do a trick by being "creative" and doing an easier trick with a weirder transition. :P

[TKD_Andy]

i think its good for people to be creative because if theyre never going to have the natural ability to double cork etc then they have to find other ways to be good, e.g having smooth tricks or having some awesome transitions.

being creative is being part of being a good tricker. To tell people not to be creative etc is like telling them to stop getting better because you're too scared you wont be able to keep up yourself. I'd love to see more people thinking outside the box

[Taimatsu]

me and dave think that being creative is often an attempt to make up for being bad at tricks. before you start being creative have you even attempted swingthroughs, multiple swingthroughs, basic carrythroughs etc or even fundamental/basic combos? can you double abc? can you do a technically perfect hook kick? at what point can someone tell you you're not being creative enough? (answer: they can't without being a dogmatic prick)

look at tricksters like teddy, punshi, anis, terada etc. are they known for being creative or for actually being "good".... hahaha

style/cleanness is everything. it doesn't matter what tricks you do.

WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR SLOPPY/BLAND STYLES HAHA

*co edited by dave/pete

*Disagreement from taimatsu*

[frankinstine]

I see what pete/dave is/are saying, cuz i do this. But, on the other hand, i also look to weird variations and transitions because it adds more fun to doing tricks.

[saulus]

i disagree...
why shouldn't you be creative if you can't do hard tricks...
makes no sense...
and you don't have to be able to do multiple s/t to start being creative...sense?

but that "first be clean" is always right imo...
if you are not clean nothing looks good..
so being creative doesn't help when you have dirty tricks...

[Anubis]

me and dave think that being creative is often an attempt to make up for being bad at tricks. before you start being creative have you even attempted swingthroughs, multiple swingthroughs, basic carrythroughs etc or even fundamental/basic combos? can you double abc? can you do a technically perfect hook kick? at what point can someone tell you you're not being creative enough? (answer: they can't without being a dogmatic prick)

look at tricksters like teddy, punshi, anis, terada etc. are they known for being creative or for actually being "good".... hahaha

style/cleanness is everything. it doesn't matter what tricks you do.

WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR SLOPPY/BLAND STYLES HAHA

*co edited by dave/pete

i think what people mean by being creative is a 2 part thing. one is being witty enuff to take the mechanics of one trick to do another. case example, devon in his recent sampler.

http://vimeo.com/2198979

at 0:58 - when everyone expects him to do a gms, he busts a missleg tornado kick for a custom narabong instead.

the second part, is having the courage to shy away from the norm, or whatever the populous is doing to break barriers in your own way. creativity isn't abusing transitions, nor is it about gimmicks - doing a cheat 720 twist with your hands behind your back; it's about synergy - melding what you know about yourself and your tricks to create innovative movements that lead to interesting things. trickers like bubba, devon, jaime, flow, anis, safari, dan perez, ott, morgan, doeni, ejik, jono, alexx, jester, and prodigy are creative in my opinion.

[Anubis]

oh yeah, and i'm tired of sloppy/bland styles too. but that isn't solely a product of people trying to be creative.

[TKD_Andy]

oh and never give unwanted advice.

lol, like this thread then?

[jiayo-chris]

Dave youre soo over opinionated! <3 haha

As for the topic, i feel tricks just naturally improve and stuff as you use them in combo's and get used to them. You don't really have to think about cleaning stuff up it just happens over time.
Therefore people can be creative as they want aslong as they are still learning new moves along the way and cleaning up older moves.

[pete_man_man]

you think we're telling you guys how to trick? haha

we're highlighting your dogmatic/pointless views on tricking

we couldn't care less HOW you trick. that has absolutely zero bearing on the fun that WE have tricking haha (whereas your opinions as a community may in fact have an effect if you think about it)

creativity is not a bad thing. if you wanna carry on taking this out of context then go ahead hahahaha. this is probably one of the only points worth making as far as we're concerned (worth writing more than one line about)

- dave/pete

[pete_man_man]

we love devon, safari, haime etc

LOVE

[jiayo-chris]

Dave you really do come across as an arse online hahaha.

[pete_man_man]

fuck you chris HAHAHA

[jiayo-chris]

Haha, don't get me wrong i love you to bits but for people that dont know you personally i can almost feel the hate building hahaha.

[Anubis]

Dave youre soo over opinionated! <3 haha

As for the topic, i feel tricks just naturally improve and stuff as you use them in combo's and get used to them. You don't really have to think about cleaning stuff up it just happens over time.
Therefore people can be creative as they want aslong as they are still learning new moves along the way and cleaning up older moves.

i could only hope that this is true, but evidence is really lacking. maybe i'm not looking in the right place :eh:

[jiayo-chris]

There are obviously people that just don't improve and fail. However from the trickers i have been around my theory holds true.

[pete_man_man]

Haha, don't get me wrong i love you to bits but for people that dont know you personally i can almost feel the hate building hahaha.

hahaha! i can't really see how i've personally attacked anyone here. you realise it's both dave and pete making these points? don't make me (dave) the scapegoat when my points are devastatingly accurate hahaha (i was hoping for more expansive replies but it seems nobody can muster anything decent).

the guys we trick with pretty much think the same as far as we can tell. we always have funny conversations about this kinda thing.

you think i'm (dave) opinionated or dogmatic when i say it doesn't matter what tricks you do? come on haha. i know you all love me.

[jiayo-chris]

The reason i say dave and not pete and dave is because i have this funny little comic strip playing in my head of dave taking over petes computer and posting on his account and pete shaking in the corner haha.

[pete_man_man]

dave isn't making any more posts now...

this is pete now.

it was me that orginally me that made the point in person btw... dave just agreed to the ultimate extreme (possibly about billion times more than me) and wanted to put it out there (he's better at making points and formulating debate than i am).

i think this thread should be ended now

edit: dave thinks it should carry on with a lot of drama so he can lol at it

[jiayo-chris]

Awww but i've grown a love for this thread!

[Anubis]

why? it's a good thread, things just seemed to get a little personal

[pete_man_man]

dave wins however.. (see the edit in my last post)

[jiayo-chris]

Haha, nothing got personal, Dave knows i'm only kidding :tongue:

[pete_man_man]

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb237/pete_man_man/ownage-Still001.jpg

oh what timing

[jiayo-chris]

HAHAHA you gays!
I'm going to rape you both so violently and roughly!

[pete_man_man]

we win at life

[jiayo-chris]

<3<3!!

[Alexx]

dave looks more v for vendetta than i do!

[[RozoN]]

You are all correct! Now lets toast with a cookie!

Edit: Fuck! Darn the English grammar

[Alexx]

Ahh rozon. The lovable wolverine :)

[pete_man_man]

dave looks more v for vendetta than i do!

you say the most random shit ever!!!

[[RozoN]]

Ahh rozon. The lovable wolverine :)

:smile: <3

[Alexx]

you say the most random shit ever!!!

i think its the smile...

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5417/ownagestill0011nr5.jpg

[pete_man_man]

oh yes.. awesome

[Skilzat85X]

What the nigg. What in the serious nigg lol.


Anyways, copious amounts of subjectivity. Apples and oranges, etc etc.

[pete_man_man]

What the nigg. What in the serious nigg lol.


Anyways, copious amounts of subjectivity. Apples and oranges, etc etc.

get yo butt outa ma thrayed skilz!!!!!!!!

[Kyle McLean]

Um. No.

Manny* brown.

*Stupid phone changed his name

[Alexx]

HAMMY BROWN ?

[Cory]

ask yourself

would you be embarrassed to 540 in public?

haha

Yes. I would...Hence the reason I'm fixing mine now. :tongue:

i could only hope that this is true, but evidence is really lacking. maybe i'm not looking in the right place :eh:

Rudy Meadows (though It's doubtful you can see it like I did since I was there his entire tricking career until now)


Okay...this is my opinion on the subject as a whole:

Focus should be put on cleaning tricks if a person wants clean tricks. If someone wants to trick like David from TDM, then they can. There's nothing wrong with that. People can trick however they would like.

For those who do want clean tricks, don't worry about perfecting a trick before you move to its variations. This will undoubtedly destroy your progression. You should always push beyond your current limits and expand what you're capable of while you clean up old tricks in the process. There are some people I have seen who have really good basics, which is great, but that's all they have to show for it. Honestly, I'd rather have a double cork than a perfect 540 (Though I'm working towards both).

More Related to the topic:
Yes, sometimes creativity is used to compensate. I do it to an extent, though I'm working my ass off to come up with creative combos while building up my tricks. It's the way I want to trick, and no ones opinion of me has influenced that. Which is the way it should be.

I wrote too much :eh:

[SeanS]

i'm ill, this thread has hurt my head.

[pete_man_man]

would you rather see manny brown do his awesome double b/ perfect doubleleg twist or his multiple misleg fucktard combos???

[Kyle McLean]

I'd much rather see the "fuck tard combos"
I wanna him do things no one else can.
So many people can do dub abc. But very few can come up with a creative combo using multiple transitions ( not st the whole time) and perform it good.
I don't care if someone can double st gainer. That's so run of the mill. I would much rather see torando st 900 hook ct td raiz pop hyper hook.
That combo was made of "basics" but your right wasting time on style creativity and not doing the exact same combos everyone else does is stupid. We should just focus on doing perfect power moves and multiple st

[pete_man_man]

I'd much rather see the "fuck tard combos"
I wanna him do things no one else can.
So many people can do dub abc. But very few can come up with a creative combo using multiple transitions ( not st the whole time) and perform it good.
I don't care if someone can double st gainer. That's so run of the mill. I would much rather see torando st 900 hook ct td raiz pop hyper hook.
That combo was made of "basics" but your right wasting time on style creativity and not doing the exact same combos everyone else does is stupid. We should just focus on doing perfect power moves and multiple st

each to his own i guess... you like you're jerky awkward combos... i like my good looking tricks

[Kyle McLean]

So I have jerky akward looking combos And shit tricks? Really? Wow. Your right. I have no flow and it just looks stupid.

[pete_man_man]

So I have jerky akward looking combos And shit tricks? Really? Wow. Your right. I have no flow and it just looks stupid.

i wasn't talking about your tricks (something got lost in translation there)

et me make it clear that i love your tricks...

now that i look back at my post it looks like i'm insulting your tricks and bigging up my own...l

[Skilzat85X]

@Kyle: He's not saying yours are he's saying that's what you like to see....


...which is somewhat fool-hardy anyways. This is, as I said before, coming down to being entirely objective. It's like hating on people for liking a different genre of music.

Creative/awkward combos do not imply unclean tricks, and clean tricks do not imply simple straight forward combos.

You see, it's a flaw to think you have to choose between his single clean perfect high level trick and his creative awkward raw combinations. It's not always one or the other. Of course this applies in many aspects of life but especially here: why make someone choose when there's absolutely no reason they should? We don't have to choose only one methodology of trickness, there's an entire array of options available to anyone.

[Nick Fail]

are you two trying to make me dislike you? and cory, best post.

[jan]

would you rather see manny brown do his awesome double b/ perfect doubleleg twist or his multiple misleg fucktard combos???

LATTER FTW! That's the reason why I love the man:D


For the record: Manny can double btwist, doublefull and dlegtwist easily (at least he can do them on hard floor). He chooses to do his awesome jerky misslegging combos of power, kicking and pure sex instead of doing btwist-cork-cork-fulltwist swing hypercork wrapthrough hyperfull wrapthrough full.

Why? Because there are a million teenagers who can do the latter (after all, they only need to know how to twist), whereas only a few have built up the power, strength and flexibility it takes to do combos like Manny does.

I mean, compare any "jerky" trickster to any swingthrough trickster. Which one is most likely to have a good MA foundation and a good overall in all tricking categories? (In other words, being able to do everything up to a certain level instead of being able to hyper double ABC, but just _barely_ managing to do a bent-legged 540hook and a jacknife without a proper first kick).

I just like the "jerky" tricksters more, because they stand out from the crowd of "normal" swingthrough people. Hell, I'd take Manny's style over Anis, Teddy or whomever else any day.

[pete_man_man]

are you two trying to make me dislike you? and cory, best post.

me and skliz or me and dave??

[TiVo]

I like a compromise between the two. Hence why i think FLOW is the utter epitome of the compromise between power and creativity.

[Nick Fail]

you and dave

[Kyle McLean]

Ohhhhh ok. Read out of context. I ubderstand now. Your saying you dislike those trying to compesate for not being able to do power moves and trying to be creative and doing an epic fail and trying to create new transitions that look like garage???

Sry about the mix up

[Nick Fail]

....oh....yeah i was defending kyle. i thought that of all the people to attack him....lol. i still love you guys! my bad

[pete_man_man]

Ohhhhh ok. Read out of context. I ubderstand now. Your saying you dislike those trying to compesate for not being able to do power moves and trying to be creative and doing an epic fail and trying to create new transitions that look like garage???

Sry about the mix up

i guess

[Kyle McLean]

@ skilz. Great point. We shouldn't have to chose between the two. I'm sure most would a agree a creative combo is still good as long as it is as clean as a very straight forward combo and if it contains some power moves.

[Nick Fail]

Ohhhhh ok. Read out of context. I ubderstand now. Your saying you dislike those trying to compesate for not being able to do power moves and trying to be creative and doing an epic fail and trying to create new transitions that look like garage???

Sry about the mix up

is this what you meant, cause if so i COMPLETELY agree but if not then not so much. cause creativity is a simple opinion. i for one like t power move. its just my opinion, i get bored trying to do creative things so i dont try. but there are people who just like to do shit like that. and think about kyle. kid is very creative, but also pulls shit like the pop cork illusion twist round, thats a power move if i've ever seen one. some people who can do powermoves prefer creativity. its just a personal preferance. as well as the ambi thing. i train with the king of ambi. and i've seen him do hook>btwist>dcork both sides in a matter of seconds apart. thats power moving as well. its all a personal preferance. and both of them are clean as hell.

[pete_man_man]

haha this is dave. pete said people were getting pissed. i may as well make one more post.

i don't like the idea of telling people how to trick. i'm simply saying people are trying to get props for dumb shit. eg "oh look, i'm so creative!", "i'm ambidextrous!" or "look i did a shitty looking transition that's oh-so-awesome"

trick however you want!

creativity is ace
ambidexterity is ace
power moves are ace
clean basics are ace

but don't lose sight of what actually makes someone "good"

tricks are fun

LOL @ drama

[Kyle McLean]

Well I'm througly-ish confused but I think I'm getting the jist of it. Pete and dave prefer very solid and clean tricks. And believe people should focus more on cleaning up instead of just trying to cover up shit with being more creative.

[Xeult]

Ohhhhh ok. Read out of context. I ubderstand now. Your saying you dislike those trying to compesate for not being able to do power moves and trying to be creative and doing an epic fail and trying to create new transitions that look like garage???


Really sorry for digging up old shit, but Flowers comes to mind...

[Nick Fail]

lol i agree. if your gonna do it, do it right. dave and pete good thread, but really fucking confusing. why didn't you just say all that in the beginning?

[TiVo]

Yes. Yes he does!! hahaha...

[pete_man_man]

Really sorry for digging up old shit, but Flowers comes to mind...

HAHA!!! WHY WE HAVEN'T USED HIM AS AN EXAMPLE UP TO NOW IS BEYOND ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pete_man_man]

lol i agree. if your gonna do it, do it right. dave and pete good thread, but really fucking confusing. why didn't you just say all that in the beginning?

i'm convinced that this is why dave talks to himself... he's about the only person that he doesn't confuse with his thoughts!

[Nick Fail]

i'm convinced that this is why dave talks to himself... he's about the only person that he doesn't confuse with his thoughts!

i was like, of all the people to say creativity and ambi is shit. hahaha! btw, dpt's samp is gonna kill. idk if he's gonna release but its sick. i've seen him filming for it.

[pete_man_man]

anyway while this thread is being viewed by multiple people, i'd say it was the perfect opportunity to shamelessly plug my band.

LISTEN TO THIS DODGY CLIP OF OUR FIRST GIG FROM AGES AGO!!!!!!!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=w-qRpyT0GzE

[Xeult]

i was like, of all the people to say creativity and ambi is shit. hahaha! btw, dpt's samp is gonna kill. idk if he's gonna release but its sick. i've seen him filming for it.

If he's not...steal it...pretty pleeeeeaaaasseeee :tongue:

[Skilzat85X]

Why? Because there are a million teenagers who can do the latter (after all, they only need to know how to twist)
Lol'd hehehe.



To make this much less confusing I've unbanned Dave's main account 3 days early. Guess Uni is over mostly, eh? Haha.

[pete_man_man]

Lol'd hehehe.



To make this much less confusing I've unbanned Dave's main account 3 days early. Guess Uni is over mostly, eh? Haha.

he's passed a module and seems more relaxed about it.... until the next one....

[Anima]

Yes, sometimes creativity is used to compensate. I do it to an extent, though I'm working my ass off to come up with creative combos while building up my tricks. It's the way I want to trick, and no ones opinion of me has influenced that. Which is the way it should be.

You see, it's a flaw to think you have to choose between his single clean perfect high level trick and his creative awkward raw combinations. It's not always one or the other. Of course this applies in many aspects of life but especially here: why make someone choose when there's absolutely no reason they should? We don't have to choose only one methodology of trickness, there's an entire array of options available to anyone.

I believe these two comments complement each other in your point Skilzat, this is also what I think on this subject. I like to see both high level Tricks, and creative combos. The best Tricksters (in my opinion) are the people who can find a balance between these two different styles.

However I must agree, some creativity looks really jagged and awkward looking, even if it is more complex and difficult, I'd still rather see a nicely executed, clean and simple Trick.

[Nick B]

its all about flow. if someone can do a creative combo and make it flow good, then i like it. if it looks really awkward, i dont think it looks good. what bugs me is when people crash, roll out of it, and say they meant to do it and were being creative hahah.

[shengoikee]

HAY GUYZ

hopefully there's gonna be less confusion now. though i should of been better at making our point....

and absolutely nick! i also think flow is saweeet

Lol'd hehehe.



To make this much less confusing I've unbanned Dave's main account 3 days early. Guess Uni is over mostly, eh? Haha.

thankyou sir =D

yeas i've finished university for now and have no work. this is the first time i've been on TT for aaaages.

[pete_man_man]

dantess says in a text to dave:

"man so many don't fucking get tricks do they. the point of which is to make something look good and impressive, not; scrap720 - bentwheel - lolswipe - "valdez" - fugtwist. Why can't people get the thread haha- they think u'r telling them wht tricks to do... idiots hahah"

[shengoikee]

i had some hilarious text messages about this thread hahahaha

=D

oh and kyle what the heck i love your style! hope there wasn't a misunderstanding there

[shengoikee]

dantess says in a text to dave:

"man so many don't fucking get tricks do they. the point of which is to make something look good and impressive, not; scrap720 - bentwheel - lolswipe - "valdez" - fugtwist. Why can't people get the thread haha- they think u'r telling then wht tricks to do... idiots hahah"

HAHHAA i love jay

[pete_man_man]

also <3 jay

[shengoikee]

i couldnt resist, its a pretty lol topic

im worried about how little i care haha

i love the posts you make like this. haha.

[Kyle McLean]

This thread finally makes sense!!

[pete_man_man]

it makes sense now that only one person is replying.... figures

[Source]

I like Manny Brown...
Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[pete_man_man]

I like Manny Brown...
Just thought I'd throw that out there.

nice...

[shengoikee]

i like about 50% of manny's tricks

[Kyle McLean]

i like daves H720

[shengoikee]

i like kyle's ability to be sexy

(btw the last one i did was at txt haha)

[Nick B]

i like about 50% of manny's tricks

i'd have to agree. he's an incredible tricker and very very skilled, but i just don't think a lot of his more creative combo's look that good. yes, they're unbelievably difficult to do, but tricking is about aesthetics, and i dont find a good portion of his creative combos aesthetic haha.

not trying to hate on manny, like i said, he's an incredible tricker; just different tastes in what looks good.

[pete_man_man]

i'd have to agree. he's an incredible tricker and very very skilled, but i just don't think a lot of his more creative combo's look that good. yes, they're unbelievably difficult to do, but tricking is about aesthetics, and i dont find a good portion of his creative combos aesthetic haha.

not trying to hate on manny, like i said, he's an incredible tricker; just different tastes in what looks good.

YOU GET IT!!!!!!!!

[shengoikee]

i'm pretty sure my taste in tricks is like identical to nick b's! haha

[Kyle McLean]

i like kyle's ability to be sexy

(btw the last one i did was at txt haha)

what thats no good. you need to do them everyday. so they can get sexier

[pete_man_man]

i think its good for people to be creative because if theyre never going to have the natural ability to double cork etc then they have to find other ways to be good, e.g having smooth tricks or having some awesome transitions.

being creative is being part of being a good tricker. To tell people not to be creative etc is like telling them to stop getting better because you're too scared you wont be able to keep up yourself. I'd love to see more people thinking outside the box

btw... i'm not sure doublecorking is a natural ability...

i worked bloody hard for that shit!! lol.

[shengoikee]

what thats no good. you need to do them everyday. so they can get sexier

haha :tongue: <3

i'm working hard at learning everything on my strong/combo side right now. they spin the opposite way.

i'll work on em again soon! i don't really like the ones i've done so far.

[TKD_Andy]

i dont really agree with the manny bashing.

the guy has been around since the beginning, and im sure that people who have trained with him for a long time will tell you that he's been very good for a long time, and its easy for people who started so long ago to keep to what they're good at, but you can bet that he's going to get the newer stuff down.

[shengoikee]

i dont really agree with the manny bashing.

the guy has been around since the beginning, and im sure that people who have trained with him for a long time will tell you that he's been very good for a long time, and its easy for people who started so long ago to keep to what they're good at, but you can bet that he's going to get the newer stuff down.

lol whut

[pete_man_man]

lol whut

yeah lol

[Kyle McLean]

no one was bashing him

the said they perfer his clean ass tricks to his insanly strange and creative ones.

[jan]

I like both his "clean" and his "strange" ones. I don't know, Manny just seems to be the avant garde of tricking. Most people might not like parts of his style right now, but they will incorporate parts of it in the near future. I mean, who pretty much started the whole misslegging thing? I got my inspiration for hypertwist missleg 540 in 2005 from Manny, and I'm sure others got the same ideas maybe even earlier.


THAT being said: Freaking pirate taxis taking way too much money for a way too short trip. 540 THEIR ASS, yeah.

[pete_man_man]

compare towels to anis... end of thread

[Tatsumaru]

I hate my tricks.

Hello Dave!

[shengoikee]

I like both his "clean" and his "strange" ones. I don't know, Manny just seems to be the avant garde of tricking. Most people might not like parts of his style right now, but they will incorporate parts of it in the near future. I mean, who pretty much started the whole misslegging thing? I got my inspiration for hypertwist missleg 540 in 2005 from Manny, and I'm sure others got the same ideas maybe even earlier.


THAT being said: Freaking pirate taxis taking way too much money for a way too short trip. 540 THEIR ASS, yeah.

hmm i'm not a massive fan of giving people titles like that haha. it kinda annoys me. "THE avant garde" haha

i see your point however. manny has been consistently fantastic over the years.
I hate my tricks.

Hello Dave!

Me too!

HEY CHRIS <333

[dpitlock]

bitching about other peoples style is sooo early 2008.

[dpitlock]

these rant threads are pathetic

[pete_man_man]

we heart your tricks dan

[shengoikee]

spare my feelings dan!

[Nick Fail]

I hate my tricks.

Stop it

[n3m3s1s]

what the hell are you people talking about? lol

[BboyAgua2]

Hating on creativity... worst thread ever.

[Nick Fail]

shut up no one loves you but me. and no one can have him. NO ONE! Aaaahhh!!!! roid rage!!!!

[Augenatic]

creativity is da bestt

[jan]

THIS THREAD IS BORING NOW. I'M UNSUBSCRIBING!

[pete_man_man]

Hating on creativity... worst thread ever.

you don't understand this thread. get out now.

[shengoikee]

me and pete are "haters".

[BboyAgua2]

you don't understand this thread. get out now.

Please tell me what I understand. It's so very beneficial. You are scapegoating your judgements by blaming creativity, and not the fact that someone's tricks are horrible. If someone is physically inept in so far as you want to hate on anything they do, then coming up with creative combos and moves will not change the aesthetic, and therefore not your mind. I am using the figurative "you" in this topic, btw, but conversely, creative trickers such as Haime and Flow would be great trickers with-or-without their creativity. Creativity is essentially a non-factor in what you took issue with in this half-serious thread, and was demonized without legitamate context. Now what I UNDERSTAND is exactly what I read in this thread, and actually, my understanding is more clear to me than anyone else's, hence the possessive "my." Just as no one can understand your intent better than you, as it's yours. But as for what's actually in this thread, the game of telephone makes imperfect readers of us all, so if you want to make a new attempt go ahead.

Also, make a real sampler thx.

[David M.]

never hate on trevor. he is successful.

isnt that right trev?

[Skilzat85X]

Please tell me what I understand. It's so very beneficial. You are scapegoating your judgements by blaming creativity, and not the fact that someone's tricks are horrible. If someone is physically inept in so far as you want to hate on anything they do, then coming up with creative combos and moves will not change the aesthetic, and therefore not your mind. I am using the figurative "you" in this topic, btw, but conversely, creative trickers such as Haime and Flow would be great trickers with-or-without their creativity. Creativity is essentially a non-factor in what you took issue with in this half-serious thread, and was demonized without legitamate context. Now what I UNDERSTAND is exactly what I read in this thread, and actually, my understanding is more clear to me than anyone else's, hence the possessive "my." Just as no one can understand your intent better than you, as it's yours. But as for what's actually in this thread, the game of telephone makes imperfect readers of us all, so if you want to make a new attempt go ahead.

Also, make a real sampler thx.
I don't quite agree with the thread in general but what the nigg are you on about son? Ahaha.

[BboyAgua2]

never hate on trevor. he is successful.

isnt that right trev?

OMG yes! hahah I hope you get an A on your project because I'm such a successful man in modern society. I even knew the day I became successful! I really wanna know what your teacher says or w/e haha.

And skilz, I'm on about the TROOF! Gotta come correct and drop science on a ball busting Dr.Jekyll/Mr.Hide contradictory thread.

[shengoikee]

TREVOR, TRICKS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK GOOD. THAT WAS THE POINT. =D

DROP YO SCIENCE ON DESE NUTZ BITCH

[pete_man_man]

plus we are haters

[jan]

Trev, point, woo.

People who aren't physically "capable" of becoming good tricksters often get bent-legged wheelkicks, low-kicked 540s, vertical btwists, "cheat gainers" etc... And partly because their technique in these tricks are so horrid, they won't ever get "high-level moves" like double btwist or dlegtwist, so they start doing "creative stuff" instead. However, with the shit basis for tricking in the first place, their creativity is really just an attempt at using their bad tricks for combos they're really not fit to do.
Thus creativity has nothing to do with neither cleanliness nor worth of the tricks being done. It's just that person sucking ass from the very start. So blaming creativity is futile.

Look at Manny, as he is the epitome of creativity: His sidekicks, 540, sideswipe, dlegtwist, btwist-cork, jacknife etc are all in ace standard. Without having these tricks perfected, his creativity would be... well, crap tricking. He could probably go for the standard "corking" style of tricks, but he didn't do that. He's doing creative stuff, or "bumpy combos", as some people like to call them.

Creative stuffage kicks ass. I'm bored to death of btwist-corks. I can even do them, but I'm siiiiiick of watching them. I'd prefer a sideswipe missleg sideswipe any day.
This is just my preference of course, but meh. 9/10 people do corks and btwists. I prefer the underdog (I'm just that cool).

[shengoikee]

i completely agree with you jan!

why? because i know you only appreciate things that look good.

manny's tricks (most of the time) look good.

[jan]

Look :good:


... my mother just asked me to pop a zit she's got in her buttcrack. I WILL NAUGHT!

[shengoikee]

HAHAHAHA

tell her to fucking wash!

[jan]

Aw dammit, I'm eating dinnerrrrr.

[k-slash]

I didn't read many peoples comments here but I have to agree with pete and dave, though they are going a bit too harsh on it haha.

You can't tell a beginner at tricks not to be creative, because his tricks look sloppy. So if you think about that statement, then you would be a dick to tell everyone who hasn't been tricking long enough to have perfect tricks, that they aren't allowed to be creative, because they don't have good enough looking tricks yet.

Being creative is not something you earn with perfecting tricks haha.

Howeever, people who go about learning 100 tricks without even bothering to work on the tricks they have, kind of annoy me.

People who do b-twists for fulltwists really annoy me too, because what it tells me, is they haven't actually bothered to learn the prereques for the move, because they just want to have a fulltwist. But whats the point when it looks like crap haha?

I'm probably missing the point since I didn't read much of this thread, but people need to train for tricks better.

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

If people only want to kick, or people only want to trwist, we don't relaly have any right to tell them otherwise, because it's just us enforcing our own opinions on them, because we WANT them to do something, that they DON'T want to do.

The people who only do one or the other probably have gioals they want to set first, and then if they want to start going into other areas, they will because they want to haha.

Who care? who?

I probably said loads not even to do with this thread, but I don't care lol.

If you want to be creative, be creative, if you want to just do one type of trix, do it, but if you have shit looking tricks, just because you haven't bothered to work on them.

YOU SUCK.

[shengoikee]

I didn't read many peoples comments here but I have to agree with pete and dave, though they are going a bit too harsh on it haha.

i just read that and it basically sounds like this is the case haha :tongue:

[D.A.]

Would Mr. Hill and Mr. Man_Man prefer a tricker who was essentially manny brown but without the wack missleg stuff to the real manny brown with both the clean stuff and the wack stuff? like, would you rather view a video with just the perfect and clean tricks he does or view one that displayed his entire style (both clean and wacky)?

[shengoikee]

Would Mr. Hill and Mr. Man_Man prefer a tricker who was essentially manny brown but without the wack missleg stuff to the real manny brown with both the clean stuff and the wack stuff? like, would you rather view a video with just the perfect and clean tricks he does or view one that displayed his entire style (both clean and wacky)?

i'd rather see both if i'm honest haha

but some of his stuff is way too abstract for me to appreciate. i understand what he's doing but it seems a lil pointless to me. like he's doing it because it's difficult rather than because it looks good. he does pleeenty of badass stuff though.

[Skilzat85X]

And skilz, I'm on about the TROOF! Gotta come correct and drop science on a ball busting Dr.Jekyll/Mr.Hide contradictory thread.
I'm not gonna lie it really wasn't as coherent to your audience as you're thinking haha and it lost all 'scientific' credit when you said "make a real sampler please" or whatever crap. :snooze:

---------------------------------------------------

Anyways DAVE this is what happens when you make topics too vague haha. Seriously, you have to admit this. Even though you've expressed a mild attitude about the subject when responding to the questions of others, your original point came out quite extreme. It's like you take an extreme initial view on the subject at the outset of the topic, and expect everyone to understand what you're talking about and think that you're not saying this or that or the other thing.
I mean sure lots of these things can be explained quite simply, even the start of this topic...but just because they can be explained simply doesn't men people are going to get what you're trying to say. Case in point: this topic.
Just look at how many times you've had to clarify your viewpoint here.
When you make topics like this, if you don't want people to get upset, or butthurt, or have a bunch of misconceptions about your opinion, you really need to present it more tactfully and 'professionally' for lack of a better word.

That is to say basically, in a way that provokes thought, not emotion. When you come off as extreme or say things like "WE'RE TIRED OF YOUR SLOPPY/BLAND STYLES HAHA", even if it's just sarcastic or there to be humorous to you, people simply won't interpret it that way!

So what I'm saying without trying to be mean or anything is: make your topics better or dooooon't ahaha. :juji: Nothing personal of course, but take a look through all the responses and I'm sure you'll see why...

[shengoikee]

you're completely correct aaron!

what can i say? i lack the "skilz" to make a point (BUT I'M STILL RIGHT LOLOLOL)

[BboyAgua2]

I'm not gonna lie it really wasn't as coherent to your audience as you're thinking haha and it lost all 'scientific' credit when you said "make a real sampler please" or whatever crap. :snooze:


My audience is not very easy to judge haha, and I am not the most straight-forward thinker either. Yes, we can all get behind the idea that ugly tricks suck. Creativity remains a non-factor. Telling noobs (or vets for that matter) not to be creative is just contradicted by saying how sick they are of people's bland styles. I don't take stock in it, but everyone seems to be getting something different from the rant so w/e. If everyone who agrees with Dave/Pete interpreted the rants the same way I did, as I believe they don't, then I would be more perturbed by the people who concurred.

And as for the last statement, it was just a side note. The last Shen sampler I saw was actually a while ago and good, but it does exist. As far as I know I haven't seen an actual Pete man man fast arms sampler yet, although I've seen a bunch of lil clips. It was a request for Pete, and I don't know why what I said before it would hold less water.

[xrobbatesx]

I love creativity, anyone can swing through once a move is powerful enough and get the general concept, but being creative means they have thought about there tricks and combo's and takes more accuracy and somtimes skill, knowing this i enjoy watching there tricks very much, of course thats not to say i don't enjoy big powerful swing or pop combos etc; i like both if there done well...

[Skilzat85X]

Telling noobs (or vets for that matter) not to be creative is just contradicted by saying how sick they are of people's bland styles. I don't take stock in it, but everyone seems to be getting something different from the rant so w/e. If everyone who agrees with Dave/Pete interpreted the rants the same way I did, as I believe they don't, then I would be more perturbed by the people who concurred.

Well see that's the problem: you actually don't understand the point they were trying to convey, then. You can't respond adequately to what they're saying if you're interpreting it wrong. Before your last response, they said you didn't understand. Then you went off on some big rant about how the understanding is all relative to you or some other frivolousness, but it seems you've just proved what they said true: you're not understanding what they're trying to say.

For example: they aren't telling people, "don't be creative." Even I knew this after the first post. You're arguing on an entirely different plain, which is making it quite incoherent at this point I might say haha. If you're going to try to argue against them, you need to be getting the same thing out of the rant as them, or else it's a debate of different semantics, which of course are the worse and most useless kinds of debates.

Point is: you're sorta arguing for a point that...nobody has really even commented on yet...ahah.

It was a request for Pete, and I don't know why what I said before it would hold less water.
I know why! But it doesn't matter and I couldn't be bothered to explain even if I wanted to haha.

:juji:

[jan]

VETERENARIANS!

[shengoikee]

My audience is not very easy to judge haha, and I am not the most straight-forward thinker either. Yes, we can all get behind the idea that ugly tricks suck. Creativity remains a non-factor. Telling noobs (or vets for that matter) not to be creative is just contradicted by saying how sick they are of people's bland styles. I don't take stock in it, but everyone seems to be getting something different from the rant so w/e. If everyone who agrees with Dave/Pete interpreted the rants the same way I did, as I believe they don't, then I would be more perturbed by the people who concurred.

And as for the last statement, it was just a side note. The last Shen sampler I saw was actually a while ago and good, but it does exist. As far as I know I haven't seen an actual Pete man man fast arms sampler yet, although I've seen a bunch of lil clips. It was a request for Pete, and I don't know why what I said before it would hold less water.

haha i understand. it was relatively difficult to come up with a point about creativity without appearing to be completely slating it. i actually really enjoy seeing various creative things.

you seem to understand what we were trying to say... i think. haha

i'll make a sampler at the end of this year probably. i guess pete will make one around that time too. we'll probably make a team sampler anyway!

my last samp sucked :sad:

[BboyAgua2]

Well see that's the problem: you actually don't understand the point they were trying to convey, then. You can't respond adequately to what they're saying if you're interpreting it wrong. Before your last response, they said you didn't understand. Then you went off on some big rant about how the understanding is all relative to you or some other frivolousness, but it seems you've just proved what they said true: you're not understanding what they're trying to say.

For example: they aren't telling people, "don't be creative." Even I knew this after the first post. You're arguing on an entirely different plain, which is making it quite incoherent at this point I might say haha. If you're going to try to argue against them, you need to be getting the same thing out of the rant as them, or else it's a debate of different semantics, which of course are the worse and most useless kinds of debates.

Point is: you're sorta arguing for a point that...nobody has really even commented on yet...ahah.


I know why! But it doesn't matter and I couldn't be bothered to explain even if I wanted to haha.

:juji:

Aaron what the nigg are YOU on about? I wasn't arguing semantics of their argument... I was addressing Pete's order for me to get out of the thread, and how it relates to the rest of the thread. If anyone is on two different planes I think it's you and me, cause now I'm just at a loss.

However, I do love the UK influence over the forum with US members using "can't be bothered" and I think even I say "ace" now.

Jan: SEASONED VETERINARIANS

[jan]

AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLAIN.


Ace is an excellent word:D

[Skilzat85X]

Aaron what the nigg are YOU on about? I wasn't arguing semantics of their argument... I was addressing Pete's order for me to get out of the thread, and how it relates to the rest of the thread. If anyone is on two different planes I think it's you and me, cause now I'm just at a loss.

However, I do love the UK influence over the forum with US members using "can't be bothered" and I think even I say "ace" now.

Jan: SEASONED VETERINARIANS
I must say can't be bothered is such a catchy and useful phrase for everyday life, I just had to steal it! http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8691/negroniassm4.gif

Since when was ace a UK word? Interesting indeed!

[jan]

Never say nigg to a nigg.

[Adam Ross]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l179/Adam_Ross/bwhearttimelynall.jpg
You guys are right.
I can't trick :sad:

[jan]

LYNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D <3

[shengoikee]

lynall is the perfect trickster!

[BboyAgua]

Never say nigg to a nigg.

I'm 12.5 % nigg. Stfu cracker :juji:

edit: fuck lynall and pete with their front aerials. I've tried for almost 9 years haha.

[shengoikee]

never say cracker to a cracker!

[BboyAgua]

Ahhhhahhhahahaha!

[lynall]

hahahaha WTF is this thread about man!!! XD

i think alexx for creative-ness pesonally

and dave BOW TO ME!

you to Jan! :p

Yo hohohohoo

[Adam Ross]

everybody on their knee's and nobody gets hurt.

[Deezy(LoOpk!cks)]

I like both his "clean" and his "strange" ones. I don't know, Manny just seems to be the avant garde of tricking. Most people might not like parts of his style right now, but they will incorporate parts of it in the near future. I mean, who pretty much started the whole misslegging thing? I got my inspiration for hypertwist missleg 540 in 2005 from Manny, and I'm sure others got the same ideas maybe even earlier.


THAT being said: Freaking pirate taxis taking way too much money for a way too short trip. 540 THEIR ASS, yeah.

pardon me for flexing my trick knowledge but he also started the whole swing thru craze back in like 98.

unless the capoeira guys did it before that ::unsure::

[shengoikee]

hahahaha WTF is this thread about man!!! XD

i think alexx for creative-ness pesonally

and dave BOW TO ME!

you to Jan! :p

Yo hohohohoo

pete has said that alexx has aweful taste in tricks haha

i say to each his own

but i still think tricks should look good!

[Skippy]

i say to each his own

but i still think tricks should look good!


In a sport revolved around creating the most aesthetically pleasing movements, there is no doubt that tricks should indeed look good :]

[manb]

i'd have to agree. he's an incredible tricker and very very skilled, but i just don't think a lot of his more creative combo's look that good. yes, they're unbelievably difficult to do, but tricking is about aesthetics, and i dont find a good portion of his creative combos aesthetic haha.

not trying to hate on manny, like i said, he's an incredible tricker; just different tastes in what looks good.

Sorry if it seems like I am singling you out, Nick B., but it was when I read you comment that I decided to address this.

If you don't like the way that some of my tricks look, that is all just a matter of tastes. My issue is with people thinking that tricking is only about aesthetics. That is only one aspect of tricking. I pretty much never hear people talking about the mental, emotional, or spiritual aspects of what we do. To me, a person who tricks just to look good is like a beautiful girl with no personality. There is nothing behind the looks, which makes it BORING. Tricking is an art and art (to me, at least) is life and life is not only about looking good.
Forgive me if I rant a little, I just have wanted to say something about this for a while.
Mental
What tricks are you using and how are you arranging your tricks when you do combos? What principles of physics or movement are you employing in your tricking? Do you mentally pump yourself up before doing your tricks/combos? The brain tells the body what to do. When doing a combo, you have to have the sequence of movements in your head and should you mess up during the combo, your brain quickly tells the body to brace for impact. To quote Morpheus from The Matrix: "The body cannot live without the mind". Well...the body cannot trick without the mind either.
Emotional
Have you even seen someone go for a move (such as a gainer) that they totally could've landed, but they bailed as the last second because they got scared.....or someone who, for some reason, ended up angry or frustrated before a session so they trick like a maniac the whole time......or when someone is happy/in a good mood so they do little goofy or funny things during the session that makes others laugh? We all have an emotional state at all times and that is (or at least should be) expressed in our tricking. To quote Bruce Lee from Enter the Dragon: "You need emotional content"
Spiritual
I feel like this is the part where the essence of one's being comes into play, their preferences, personality,etc. Are you the type of person who will try a trick a couple of times and then give up or do you attack this trick until you conquer it (determination)? Are you the type of person who can look the biggest trick/combo in the face and say "I'm not scared of you!" (fearlessness)? Are you a crowd-follower or do you march to the beat of your own drummer (uniqueness)? Have you ever noticed how people who have "eccentric" tricking styles are usually seen as being "eccentric" people in real life outside of tricking? Your tricking is a reflection of who you are as a person. To quote Madonna: "Express Yourself"
When we see actors on tv and in movies who just say their lines without putting something from inside of themselves behind the words they are saying, we usually call that bad acting...so, to me, when someone doesn't put something from themselves behind their tricks, it's bad tricking. We all see a lot of tricksters who all trick exactly the same. I don't think that there should be two trickers who trick exactly the same way (even if their styles are somewhat similar). Everyone is a unique person, so there should, indeed, be as many tricking styles as their are trickers.
There, I am pretty much done with my rant. Now those of you who are going to pick apart and shit all over all of the things that I have just said, have fun haha. Keep trickin, bitches.

[pete_man_man]

Sorry if it seems like I am singling you out, Nick B., but it was when I read you comment that I decided to address this.

If you don't like the way that some of my tricks look, that is all just a matter of tastes. My issue is with people thinking that tricking is only about aesthetics. That is only one aspect of tricking. I pretty much never hear people talking about the mental, emotional, or spiritual aspects of what we do. To me, a person who tricks just to look good is like a beautiful girl with no personality. There is nothing behind the looks, which makes it BORING. Tricking is an art and art (to me, at least) is life and life is not only about looking good.
Forgive me if I rant a little, I just have wanted to say something about this for a while.
Mental
What tricks are you using and how are you arranging your tricks when you do combos? What principles of physics or movement are you employing in your tricking? Do you mentally pump yourself up before doing your tricks/combos? The brain tells the body what to do. When doing a combo, you have to have the sequence of movements in your head and should you mess up during the combo, your brain quickly tells the body to brace for impact. To quote Morpheus from The Matrix: "The body cannot live without the mind". Well...the body cannot trick without the mind either.
Emotional
Have you even seen someone go for a move (such as a gainer) that they totally could've landed, but they bailed as the last second because they got scared.....or someone who, for some reason, ended up angry or frustrated before a session so they trick like a maniac the whole time......or when someone is happy/in a good mood so they do little goofy or funny things during the session that makes others laugh? We all have an emotional state at all times and that is (or at least should be) expressed in our tricking. To quote Bruce Lee from Enter the Dragon: "You need emotional content"
Spiritual
I feel like this is the part where the essence of one's being comes into play, their preferences, personality,etc. Are you the type of person who will try a trick a couple of times and then give up or do you attack this trick until you conquer it (determination)? Are you the type of person who can look the biggest trick/combo in the face and say "I'm not scared of you!" (fearlessness)? Are you a crowd-follower or do you march to the beat of your own drummer (uniqueness)? Have you ever noticed how people who have "eccentric" tricking styles are usually seen as being "eccentric" people in real life outside of tricking? Your tricking is a reflection of who you are as a person. To quote Madonna: "Express Yourself"
When we see actors on tv and in movies who just say their lines without putting something from inside of themselves behind the words they are saying, we usually call that bad acting...so, to me, when someone doesn't put something from themselves behind their tricks, it's bad tricking. We all see a lot of tricksters who all trick exactly the same. I don't think that there should be two trickers who trick exactly the same way (even if their styles are somewhat similar). Everyone is a unique person, so there should, indeed, be as many tricking styles as their are trickers.
There, I am pretty much done with my rant. Now those of you who are going to pick apart and shit all over all of the things that I have just said, have fun haha. Keep trickin, bitches.



lol. if only you knw what i was thinking right now

[Adam Ross]

lolz.
i hope your teacher liked that essay. but did they understand it?

[manb]

lol. if only you knw what i was thinking right now


And what you are thinking would be? I would like to hear it.

[manb]

lolz.
i hope your teacher liked that essay. but did they understand it?


Do you understand it?

[Kyle McLean]

i understood it manny.

and i liked it too.

[manb]

i understood it manny.

and i liked it too.


And I would totally expect you to understand it, Kyle, as you have a deeper understanding of tricks than most others.

[Skippy]

Manny you are the bomb haha. I really admire you man, and enjoyed what you wrote :]

[Adam Ross]

Do you understand it?

I do.
I also believe it could have been condensed.
I have no problem with your tricking style.
Man, you are awesome.
To be ask good as you would be awesome.
Im just not sure of the issue, i don't think it was spiteful critisism just one mans view.

[jan]

I agree with what Manny says. My best sessions so far have been when I was all happy and feeling goofy. The last session sampler (the one with Mogwai, Tan and myself) was just us going to the gym and having pure fun! And it turned out to be a pretty good session.

The whole ordeal of tricking aesthetics isn't like a single-sided coin. Everyone has different tastes in tricks, and while probably about 9/10ths of the tricking community get boners from watching a 4 minute sampler with btwist-double corks, corkx5, btwist-scoot-doublecork swing cork etc, I get bored by it. Even watching double cork-double cork (while impressive) doesn't make me skip even one single heartbeat.
Now, some people would go "but that's just because you can't cork LOL, u hatin'!", and to that I say: I can cork, swing cork and hyper cork. However, I'm not going to train for double cork consistently. If I get that move sooner or later: Coolbeans. I won't dedicate time in learning it though, because I'd rather work on stuff like hook-btwistround missleg btwist missleg aerialswitch swing gainer, or something like that.

Basically, I prefer technical combos and the stuff that (as shengoikee so awesomely called my tricking style in my 2007 sampler thread) "makes me feel like I've been hit repeatedly in the head with a hammer".

Watching people do btwist swingthrough cork swing double cork swing gainer swing whatever wrapthrough whatever-cart-doublefull etc just gets boring. It might be because I see that kind of stuff in every single session I attend though, while I on rare occasions see someone missleg a 540 or attempt aerial-gmswipe and similar things. What is rare is what I appreciate.

So I appreciate Manny's style more than anyone else's. And to me, his style is far more aesthetic than Anis' or Teddy's.

Subjective artistic opinions are the three key words.

[manb]

I do.
I also believe it could have been condensed.
I have no problem with your tricking style.
Man, you are awesome.
To be ask good as you would be awesome.
Im just not sure of the issue, i don't think it was spiteful critisism just one mans view.


Maybe you did feel that it could have been condensed, but we have all seen longer posts than this and, on this subject, I COULD HAVE GONE ON FOR DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Creativity comes from within and as long as trickers think that this is a purely outward activity, the creativity will cease to be in tricking, which is why I chose to speak about the inward aspects of the sport, because they affect the outward aspects. I am sorry, but it is my opinion that if your sole purpose is to look pretty traveling through the air, you shouldn't be tricking........you should be doing BALLET!

[Kyle McLean]

I agree with what Manny says. My best sessions so far have been when I was all happy and feeling goofy. The last session sampler (the one with Mogwai, Tan and myself) was just us going to the gym and having pure fun! And it turned out to be a pretty good session.

The whole ordeal of tricking aesthetics isn't like a single-sided coin. Everyone has different tastes in tricks, and while probably about 9/10ths of the tricking community get boners from watching a 4 minute sampler with btwist-double corks, corkx5, btwist-scoot-doublecork swing cork etc, I get bored by it. Even watching double cork-double cork (while impressive) doesn't make me skip even one single heartbeat.
Now, some people would go "but that's just because you can't cork LOL, u hatin'!", and to that I say: I can cork, swing cork and hyper cork. However, I'm not going to train for double cork consistently. If I get that move sooner or later: Coolbeans. I won't dedicate time in learning it though, because I'd rather work on stuff like hook-btwistround missleg btwist missleg aerialswitch swing gainer, or something like that.

Basically, I prefer technical combos and the stuff that (as shengoikee so awesomely called my tricking style in my 2007 sampler thread) "makes me feel like I've been hit repeatedly in the head with a hammer".

Watching people do btwist swingthrough cork swing double cork swing gainer swing whatever wrapthrough whatever-cart-doublefull etc just gets boring. It might be because I see that kind of stuff in every single session I attend though, while I on rare occasions see someone missleg a 540 or attempt aerial-gmswipe and similar things. What is rare is what I appreciate.

So I appreciate Manny's style more than anyone else's. And to me, his style is far more aesthetic than Anis' or Teddy's.

Subjective artistic opinions are the three key words.

i couldnt agree more with this.

that if your sole purpose is to look pretty traveling through the air, you shouldn't be tricking........you should be doing BALLET!

LMAO. perfect

[Safari]

Manny took care of that, good job, Manny.

[shengoikee]

i'm doing ballet.