running into cheat twists

[Anubis]

running into snapuswipes and cheat 720 twists is gaymax imo. unless you're doing a cali roll, there is no reason to run into it. if u can't do it without running into it, train it until you can; but don't train it by running into it. discuss.

[dpitlock]

thanks sessh

[Kyle McLean]

danny runs into the graham cracker is that ok with you?

[Swartz]

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll276/dreagan613/gay-men-kissing-85-201.jpg

[breykdown]

running into cheat twists is worse than punch double legs

[dpitlock]

boom

[Anubis]

thanks sessh

for the thousanth time, i'm not sesshoumaru.

danny runs into the graham cracker is that ok with you?

first of all, this isn't about me. second, he doesn't run into it...he just uses a full step instead of a half. it's like adding an approach, but it's not the same as running into it.

[TKD_Andy]

oh no, not another person dictating what we cant do haha

[Safari]

Agreed with this. I do not like it at all, because I see it as some kind of "weakness in your tricking". The reason for this is that you can only use the trick in the start of a combo. If you have to run into the cheat trick you will not be able to use it properly in combos.

And to Pitlock: You Caliroll is accpeted by me, not because you're dan pitlock but because you did it on one trick to be able to land it. Running cheat setup is also a setup and you landed caliroll with it.

I'm not saying that it is the wrong thing to do.. Just that I don't like it and why..

[TKD_Andy]

im guessing with bitching like this anoobis you can do perfect (and properly inverted) standing snapu's and c720twists.

[Safari]

If you only knew andy..

[Bozzy]

Its pretty gay andy that you dont really care but choose to make a comment on it anyway?
I think he's right, it seems like the person is just cheating themselves by making it easier for them then the trick really should be. This is unless they can do it without and just choose to do it with a little run set up to give them move height or something extra to help them combo it or whatnot.

[simon]

i heard anubis was andy ward.


lololololololololololol

[saunders]

running into snapuswipes and cheat 720 twists is gaymax imo. unless you're doing a cali roll, there is no reason to run into it. if u can't do it without running into it, train it until you can; but don't train it by running into it. discuss.

that's how i think about btwists/hypertwists/hyperhooks

[BrandonLenz]

Running is for track, set ups are for tricking. I actually agree with Anubis.

[jiayo-chris]

There has been far to much bitching about tricks recently :eh:, almost to the point of people telling other people how to trick, not quite but almost.

Just trick...
Anubis care to release a sampler?

[saunders]

Anubis care to release a sampler?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN2YHAPTyuM&feature=related

[BrandonLenz]

There has been far to much bitching about tricks recently :eh:, almost to the point of people telling other people how to trick, not quite but almost.

Just trick...
Anubis care to release a sampler?

I agree with this, but if we remain too lax then we will be seeing some ugly shit, which is definately worse than any terminology drama/ cleanliness drama(which I am responsible for in the past week and a half, sorry). If people can take advice correctly then it won't hurt them. (excluding my comment on rudy's cork sexyswipe, I don't know what I was thinking.)

[Nielso]

I think running into it can make it look less good. Flow as an example almost always runs into his c7t variations and I think it doesn't look that good, especially because he goes forward too much instead of up. However running into it does make it look more like a regular twist IMO.

[Skippy]

IIII agree with this, although I have never tried a cheat 720 twist or a snapuswipe and I am therefore unaware of just how difficult the moves are, I am definitely aware there are several people who can do both moves from standing without even a hook set up, let alone needing to run into it.

I think if you do need to run into it, you should just work on your set up more or general technique, since it clearly isn't to the standard that is should be in order to be able to do the move.

BUT saying this, there are people who run into cheat 720 hyper hooks and cali rolls, and I wouldn't ever bash that due to how difficult the moves are, I don't think anyone will land a cali roll within the next few years without needing to run into it.

[dpitlock]

way to cause controversy sessh

[Alexx]

I think if you do need to run into it, you should just work on your set up more or general technique, since it clearly isn't to the standard that is should be in order to be able to do the move.


You could be talking about round offs !

[Skippy]

You could be talking about round offs !

Standing round off triple full? =p Haha round offs are alloweddd to be run into leave them alone Alexx! did you get my message off Chace on 3run btw?

[Alexx]

m,essage off chac e? nah ?

[Skippy]

Ahhh the fucking wank, I was basically saying I had no money to text you back and please upload the combo you texted me about to youtube or some shit so I can watch it, I'm using library internet at the moment but I can view shit on youtube =p Good job on it too by the way haha!

I should have regular ITARWABZ by like this thursday though

Loves <3

[Alexx]

Ahhh the fucking wank, I was basically saying I had no money to text you back and please upload the combo you texted me about to youtube or some shit so I can watch it, I'm using library internet at the moment but I can view shit on youtube =p Good job on it too by the way haha!

I should have regular ITARWABZ by like this thursday though

Loves <3

good stuff. my new camera just came in the post. i need to work out how to render 50i footage and stuff. 25p isn't gonna be good enough for movement like tricking :( http://www.vimeo.com/2540510

[lazy]

running into snapuswipes and cheat 720 twists is gaymax imo. unless you're doing a cali roll, there is no reason to run into it. if u can't do it without running into it, train it until you can; but don't train it by running into it. discuss.

You know.. I'm starting to think you've hit your head trying some new move lately, cause this is madness :tongue:

[TKD_Andy]

i like skippy's first post. lol @ whoever said about me not caring, because i do care, just not about this. if ppl want to run into the move they can

[mogwai]

running into snapuswipes and cheat 720 twists is gaymax imo. unless you're doing a cali roll, there is no reason to run into it. if u can't do it without running into it, train it until you can; but don't train it by running into it. discuss.
OMG finally someone that share my thoughts!!! <3

but still, caliroll is amazing to see even with running, but would be with out a doubt 100% cooler after a hook or a regular cheat setup..

[Anubis]

since many ppl are forgetting what i said in the original post, i'll post it again.

"running into snapuswipes and cheat 720 twists is gaymax imo. unless you're doing a cali roll."

this isn't talking about tumbling, this isn't talking about corkscrews, this is talking about a specific genre of trick. and i'm not trying to dictate how people should trick. i'm just saying that i don't won't give you full credit if you run into a snapuswipe, and i wanted to know if anyone felt the same way.

[mogwai]

HAhahaha sry my bad
"dyslectic" (no kidding)I hate it.. :-P

[lazy]

since many ppl are forgetting what i said in the original post, i'll post it again.

"running into snapuswipes and cheat 720 twists is gaymax imo. unless you're doing a cali roll."

this isn't talking about tumbling, this isn't talking about corkscrews, this is talking about a specific genre of trick. and i'm not trying to dictate how people should trick. i'm just saying that i don't won't give you full credit if you run into a snapuswipe, and i wanted to know if anyone felt the same way.

This is how you should've written the first post, cause i really think it dictates how this genre of tricks should be done. But now i get ya:wink:

[shengoikee]

well i know i'd be embarrassed to do these tricks in public!

agreed, running c7twist and snapu don't look good.

[saulus]

don't agree..
just do what you want
and it is a good way to learn the cheat720twist...
imo

[shengoikee]

don't agree..
just do what you want
and it is a good way to learn the cheat720twist...
imo

"just do what you want" isn't relevant to something actually looking good.

it being a good way to learn cheat720twist is a legitimate point however.

[saulus]

"just do what you want" isn't relevant to something actually looking good.
.

yes it is.
i mean if you like how a move looks and somebody else doesn't shouldn't care too much for yourself...
if you like how it looks do it.. if you don't like how it looks don't do it ^^

[victorm118]

Why you can run in a cali roll and not in a snapus?? Is the same setup.
Someone said that if you can't do a trick without running don't do it. Would be the same for a cali roll?? That's stupid.

If someone wants to run, I think they are free to do it, and their tricks wont be better o worse just for doing it from a running setup.

Sorry but I think that your argument is invalid.

[D.A.]

well my hair is a bird...

[victorm118]

http://yourargumentisinvalid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/my_hair_is_a_bird.jpg

[Anubis]

Why you can run in a cali roll and not in a snapus?? Is the same setup.
Someone said that if you can't do a trick without running don't do it. Would be the same for a cali roll?? That's stupid.

If someone wants to run, I think they are free to do it, and their tricks wont be better o worse just for doing it from a running setup.

Sorry but I think that your argument is invalid


yes, it would be. tricks like snapu were originally done from standing, and nowadays they are comboed like nothing. to run into something that was meant to be done from standing is malpractice and a sign of weakness. do you run into you forward rolls? of course you don't because it's not necessary no matter how much fun it may be for you.

your counter argument is invalid. eat a river of dicks.

[David M.]

one reason why people do this is because they do it into foam pits.

you must travel in order to safely land in those things haha.

[gabrielb]

sessh is funny...trying to be more tt friendly by adding insults n shit now.

[saulus]

sessh is funny...trying to be more tt friendly by adding insults n shit now.

i thought that too...
haha...

anubis give us a sampler to proof that you are not sessh

[shengoikee]

who cares if it's sessh, he's still seemingly right most of the time haha.

[D.A.]

yes, it would be. tricks like snapu were originally done from standing, and nowadays they are comboed like nothing. to run into something that was meant to be done from standing is malpractice and a sign of weakness. do you run into you forward rolls? of course you don't because it's not necessary no matter how much fun it may be for you.

Corks were originally done from things like spin hop and standing, right? or am I wrong? Is j-step evil? is reverse setup evil?

that being said I've never seen and inverted snapu from the running setup. (i.e. i don't recall seeing a pure snapu from a running setup)

Oh! and what about suicide snapu? can I run into that?

fake edit: Dr. trixmasta! I'm suing you for malpractice of snapuswipe! SEE YOU IN COURT!



final point: you should have said that second point in the first post. running into a c720 twist is less impressive than not running into it, but are you seriously telling me you're not impressed whatsoever with Flo's c7twist variations like his c7twist dleg or c7twist swipe?
I'm very impressed by them. yes they'd be more impressive from a hook or standing, but they still impress me.



edit: i have another point hang on.
my other point is that people aren't dumb! we know when something is unclean and we "take points off" for that! but that still doesn't mean that someone doing a cork doubledoubleleg that is slightly crustaceous won't impress us! that is still impressive!

example sort of:
I know a fair amount of my stuff is crustaceous and not very pretty, but I still want to have the right to share it with you guys! I know i'm not clean most of the time, but I'm aware of this. I will become cleaner with more practice! my style is still evolving and I plan on being faster and cleaner with more practice. this is how I know I'm not "one of the best" and it's obvious to me.

^I, as well as a lot of trickers think like that. We're not a bunch of cronies that just love double twists or long combos or piss ourselves if someone does a weird trick or a new transition. we have brains. we know that all the true kings of tricks are very clean and refined. they are all also very creative.

[shengoikee]

Dr. trixmasta! I'm suing you for malpractice of snapuswipe! SEE YOU IN COURT!

HAHAHAHA

[Anubis]

final point: you should have said that second point in the first post. running into a c720 twist is less impressive than not running into it, but are you seriously telling me you're not impressed whatsoever with Flo's c7twist variations like his c7twist dleg or c7twist swipe?
I'm very impressed by them. yes they'd be more impressive from a hook or standing, but they still impress me.



edit: i have another point hang on.

oh, its impressive. i dont think anyone has a problem with it because moves like those almost require an approach. cheat 720 twist variations are crazy difficult and dangerous, but the cheat 720 twist alone isnt epic enough to constitute running into

[D.A.]

I still don't get it. I'm never going to run into my c7twist, but what are you going to say to someone that does? "That's not a c7twist! Do them properly!"

also can I run into suicide snapu? people run into suicide swipes.

edit: would your reaction to this new fad setup be different if people started doing it like 5 years ago?

[Anubis]

I still don't get it. I'm never going to run into my c7twist, but what are you going to say to someone that does? "That's not a c7twist! Do them properly!"

also can I run into suicide snapu? people run into suicide swipes.

edit: would your reaction to this new fad setup be different if people started doing it like 5 years ago?

i think that it would.

if someone runs into their cheat 720 twist, and asks me what i think? i'll tell them how it was - if they did well, i'll let them know, then tell them to it without running if they want to stop using the "booster seat" to eat with the big boys.

if they do it poorly, i'll let them know and offer advice.

[Skilzat85X]

also can I run into suicide snapu? people run into suicide swipes.

Hehehe, this question addressed to this person is so ironic. :smile:

<3

[Kyle McLean]

for the thousanth time, i'm not sesshoumaru.



first of all, this isn't about me. second, he doesn't run into it...he just uses a full step instead of a half. it's like adding an approach, but it's not the same as running into it.

All signs point to you being Sesshoumaru.

I find it so odd that you happen to know a fair amount about tricks but the other day on tricker chat you acted like you knew nothing.

[shengoikee]

"eat a river of dicks" made me think of sessh haha

but who knows

[Anubis]

All signs point to you being Sesshoumaru.

I find it so odd that you happen to know a fair amount about tricks but the other day on tricker chat you acted like you knew nothing.

i know what i see. but just because i know about tricks doesnt mean i can do them. if that was the case maxx could be sessh too.

[gabrielb]

i know what i see. but just because i know about tricks doesnt mean i can do them. if that was the case maxx could be sessh too.

wtf? i smell bitchassness in this post.

[saunders]

i find it odd that for someone with a join date from a couple of months ago he knows your old username, gabrielb

[David M.]

i find it odd that for someone with a join date from a couple of months ago he knows your old username, gabrielb

his signature says "gabriel maxx bryant" lol

[saunders]

his signature says "gabriel maxx bryant" lol

lol i never noticed that haha :punched:

[Anubis]

i find it odd that for someone with a join date from a couple of months ago he knows your old username, gabrielb

his signature says "gabriel maxx bryant" lol

this information plus this: http://www.club540.com/registry/page29

tells me so.

[gabrielb]

this information plus this: http://www.club540.com/registry/page29

tells me so.

wtf why are u looking me up on club540?

[Swartz]

Quick, everyone stalk maxx on club540 so he feels violated even though it's a public account.

[daviddalo]

sessh is causing arguments again

[Swartz]

OMG HE'S NOT SESSH

[breykdown]

sorry to break it to you, but I'M sesshoumaru

[Swartz]

NO I'M SESSH.

[gabrielb]

Quick, everyone stalk maxx on club540 so he feels violated even though it's a public account.

your jedi tricks will not work on me.

[anerky]

sessh is causing arguments again

Exactly, I see where you're going with this! Everyone has a little bit of "Sessh" in them, and that's perfectly ok :smile: Everyone over analyzes concepts every once in a while and there's really no need to feel guilty for it.

sorry to break it to you, but I'M sesshoumaru

NO I'M SESSH.

Some people attempt to suppress their inner Sesshoumaru, often with disastrous consequences. It's good that some people can accept it. There is no shame in "being Sessh" every now and then

[tuareg]

i remember ranning into a c7 twist twisting right over the crash mat and landing shoulder first on the ground.

it sucked.

[mogwai]

your counter argument is invalid. eat a river of dicks.

HAHAHHA if this is what ppl say is sessh's new Account I like this the most XD

[jan]

I must say I enjoyed that.

However, I can't see the problem in running into snapuswipes, as long as they look good. Some people do btwists wushu-style, some people do them Capoeira style. Some people do 540s Wushu style, others do them Taekwon-do style. Huge dip vs hardly any dip, runup vs no runup.

Does it matter?

[Anubis]

I must say I enjoyed that.

However, I can't see the problem in running into snapuswipes, as long as they look good. Some people do btwists wushu-style, some people do them Capoeira style. Some people do 540s Wushu style, others do them Taekwon-do style. Huge dip vs hardly any dip, runup vs no runup.

Does it matter?

technique wise, i think it does. not dipping in a btwist is like not pivoting the foot you stand on in a round kick. it's still a round kick, just not a proper one.

[BobReturns]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyoWylXR0e0&feature=channel_page

[TiVo]

technique wise, i think it does. not dipping in a btwist is like not pivoting the foot you stand on in a round kick. it's still a round kick, just not a proper one.

Ok sure a round kick isn't proper if you don't pivot. Being proper flies right out the window if your round kick without pivot kills a man.

Ok sure a non dipped btwist isn't proper. That doesn't really matter if you can do an Effin Luu Kick with a clear kick and is horizontal without a dip.


Sometimes not dipping or not pivoting and doing your own thing proves to be the better technique for the individual.

[Skilzat85X]

Ok sure a round kick isn't proper if you don't pivot. Being proper flies right out the window if your round kick without pivot kills a man.

Ok sure a non dipped btwist isn't proper. That doesn't really matter if you can do an Effin Luu Kick with a clear kick and is horizontal without a dip.


Sometimes not dipping or not pivoting and doing your own thing proves to be the better technique for the individual.
I get what you're saying for sure, however....

Good results != good technique.
Common techniques != necessary techniques.

[Anubis]

Ok sure a round kick isn't proper if you don't pivot. Being proper flies right out the window if your round kick without pivot kills a man.

Ok sure a non dipped btwist isn't proper. That doesn't really matter if you can do an Effin Luu Kick with a clear kick and is horizontal without a dip.


Sometimes not dipping or not pivoting and doing your own thing proves to be the better technique for the individual.

this isn't quite the same argument.

[TiVo]

I think it is. If i can run into a caliroll, it's ok to run into a cheat7twist in my eyes.

The same can be said for a btwist. Sure, the normal wushu setup can't really work in the middle of a combo...but look at all the trickers that use the setup anyways to start a combo that's more than three moves. The same can be said for cheat7twists and their variations.

So by your logic, a normal wushu setup wouldn't be legit either because it arguably generates more momentum than a hook kick?

[OyajiTricker]

I saw running into it is okay as long as you do it with style (the trick) and don't take up a football field with the setup. Bottom line to me, it all depend on what the individual wants to do.

[jan]

technique wise, i think it does. not dipping in a btwist is like not pivoting the foot you stand on in a round kick. it's still a round kick, just not a proper one.

O DONCHU B HATIN' ON BEN BROWN YALL HEAR??

[jan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyoWylXR0e0&feature=channel_page

A hyper cheat900, a hyper 540hook and a slanted cheat900double?

[BrandonLenz]

Lets end this argument real fast....















905

[jan]

The idea of sessh riding a brown horse appeals to me.

[CodyLee1337]

I would say learning them by running into them would promote bad form but you should learn both ways.

[Anubis]

A hyper cheat900, a hyper 540hook and a slanted cheat900double?

the fact bobcheese posted that just tells me he didn't even read the first post of this thread. either that or he's an asshat

[BrandonLenz]

The idea of sessh riding a brown horse appeals to me.

haha :good:

[shengoikee]

905

HAHAHAHA!!!

[Kyle McLean]

i know what i see. but just because i know about tricks doesnt mean i can do them. if that was the case maxx could be sessh too.

you cant fool me.
you posted images that sesshoumaru created on chris dee computer in a secret folder.
you say things like eat a river of dicks. which sessshoumaru has said to me in person before.
you think like him. just dont type like him. cause if you ever type like yourself again with the colors and shit its a dead give away.
your avatar looks like the shit sessh enjoys putting on his myspace.
the other day on tricker chat sessh(you), was eager to here that TT was back up and you admited to *lurking* on tt.
plus this wouldnt be the first time you lied to the entire tricking community about your real identity.

[Rudy]

i typically don't do this...however i have done it to do a single trick because i had no plan to combo out or anything

i do prefer for cheat tricks to be from a "standing" position

[Rudy]

ok...even if anubis is sessh what's it mater?

[Kyle McLean]

ok...even if anubis is sessh what's it mater?

it doesnt matter.

just sessh lies to me ALOT. and it pisses me off. and i catch most of his lies and call him out on them. so if its not sessh, then oh well. and if it is then oh well

[brandonn]

anubis can you do any of the tricks you talk about

[gabrielb]

ok...even if anubis is sessh what's it mater?

if anubis is sessh he is playing up to be more of an asshole than he has been in real life. its like a character and thats retarded.

[Federico00]

There has been far to much bitching about tricks recently :eh:, almost to the point of people telling other people how to trick, not quite but almost.

Just trick...
Anubis care to release a sampler?

This says it all, JUST TRICK

[Skilzat85X]

Sessh is like the Joker and TT is like Gotham City, haha.

[Nick Fail]

Flo does awesome stuff from running. Dont bash on that shit. So someone wants to run into a cheat twist, let them be. Why do you have to ASK to start fights?

[TiVo]

Haha. Luv for Sessh if he is an asshole on the net!

[[RozoN]]

if anubis is sessh he is playing up to be more of an asshole than he has been in real life.
That's what most ppl on here do anyways...

Besides, Anubis is not sessh. He's Asura:bandit:

[daviddalo]

seems like sessh is pulling off a sessh

[dpitlock]

Why is it okay for the kackroll?

KKKKKKAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKROLL
KACKROLLISSTUPID

[jan]

Because caliroll is hard for him. Even if cheat720twist might be difficult for others, they're not allowed to run into it like he'd run into a caliroll.

[Anubis]

you cant fool me.

he's not trying to. he's not sessh.

[Alexx]

asura ?

[Kyle McLean]

The jackal of death and king of demons.

[Anubis]

The jackal of death and king of demons.

dont u know sessh? just call him and ask him yourself or something.

[[RozoN]]

he's not trying to. he's not sessh.
He? You mean you?
dont u know sessh? just call him and ask him yourself or something.
http://elitemrp.net/iat/examples/tarp.jpg

[Kyle McLean]

yes I do know you sessh. I don't feel like calling you listening to more lies I've heard enough of those the past 3 years.

[Anubis]

yes I do know you sessh. I don't feel like calling you listening to more lies I've heard enough of those the past 3 years.

well it seems like you have some sort of vendetta against him or something. its obviously clouding you judgement

[saulus]

well it seems like you have some sort of vendetta against him or something. its obviously clouding you judgement

stop now...
it is so obvious...

[shengoikee]

anonymity was never a good thing....

[anerky]

What is the best thing that could possibly be accomplished through this?

"yeah guys, I really am Sesshoumaru :sad:"

and at worst you get "no I'm not"..."yes you totally are!".."nope, I really am not sessh"...etc

[Nielso]

;1131058']He? You mean you?



That was Sessh from Anubis' account, oh wait...

[Nick Fail]

This is another wierd ass thing where sessh thinks that he has more than one personality. its getting really annoying

[a_l]

Besides, Anubis is not sessh. He's Asura
No, he is Sean Ellis;)

[Angel Castellano]

Running in cheat twist for me is just other way to learn the trick easyer. And later get it without run, the same as running a lot before a cartwheel. Bitching about running would be the same as bitching about learn tricks in foam pit. Is just some way to learn quickly and safe =)

Anubis is Marc Canonizado lol, would be fun.

[jan]

But Sessh was supposed to not come back to the forums again... Like all the other members who said they'd never come back..

I am so confused nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[nightak]

JAN your new avatar is pure awesomeness

[simon]

asusshubis.

[Swartz]

I really don't buy the sessh/Anubis thing but you're all giving WHOEVER this is far too much attention. Leave him be and get on with your lives without bickering over this shit.

[simon]

OK DAD.

[Swartz]

THAT'S IT, YOU'RE GROUNDED. GO TO YOUR ROOM, SON.

[simon]

DAMNIT.



(for some reason i think this has happened before.wow.)

[jan]

:good:

[Bozzy]

Jan you look so cool :good:

[jan]

Thanks:D

[[RozoN]]

yes I do know you sessh. I don't feel like calling you listening to more lies I've heard enough of those the past 3 years.

It seems as though your very bitter at sessh. I though you were good buds. Please, lie down. Let us talk about it.

http://www.retro-housewife.com/images/furniture/barcelona-chair.jpg