Aiden's Altruism

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Members from the UK & everywhere else: You shall not pass on your genes until you have reached your genetic potential in one of the given components of fitness(Strength is obligatory you bastards as well as succeeding in your chosen career.) : Strength endurance, cardiovascular endurance, Speed, Power, Muscle mass, & Agility & physical accomplishments alike.

Constantly somebody is thinking of something that'll make life easier & every generation of life that passes when incorporating these 'helpful' machines our bodies are getting weaker & less able. We live in a world where useless people can survive & multiply. I'm sick of(my country in particular) people being so physically useless & do nothing about it. It is evident that the poorer countries that have to work harder to survive are naturally more physically able. I want people to thrive off some kind of physical achievement so if need be we can survive the toughest of situations & put those years of superb evolution to use. I don't want to see future generations becoming even more weaker & frailer than the last.

I'll stop rambling & just say that I want a stronger world,not a weaker one & it'll be interesting to see a world of athletes.

Discuss thoughts, criticism, opinions etc.

[k-slash]

I agree.

This is a funny thing to say, but in work I am sick of being the only person who is able to fucking take bins up at the start of the night, because everyone else are weak, lazy and pathetic. (I work in a nightclub).

So at the start of the night I have to take up around 15 huge bins, overflowing with glass bottles, which weigh quite a lot, and carry them up 2 flights of stairs, then round the building and lift and empty them into bins, which is fucking annoying to do every fucking shift.

People need to stop being so fucking weak. Actually I don't really care about it, to be honest now that i think about it haha.

[Skilzat85X]

I don't want to see future generations becoming even more weaker & frailer than the last.

I'll stop rambling & just say that I want a stronger world,not a weaker one
Why?

[Ewasiuk]

I think north america needs a big kick in the ass for this too. We rely too much on machines and technology to do things, get around, etc. and it's only making us weaker. I don't see a problem with machines for long travels or getting somewhere on time but generally, I'd much rather walk or run instead of using a car or some machine like how a lot of fat asses use an atv to get across their yard :ogre:

[540Ninja]

I think north america needs a big kick in the ass for this too. We rely too much on machines and technology to do things, get around, etc. and it's only making us weaker. I don't see a problem with machines for long travels or getting somewhere on time but generally, I'd much rather walk or run instead of using a car or some machine like how a lot of fat asses use an atv to get across their yard :ogre:

I would rather go somewhere on foot or on a bike than drive. I hate most people's piss poor attittude about doing things manually is too hard and things like that. I hate laziness too, which most people are. I'm planning for college now and the question I'm asking myself is "What kind of career can I get where I don't have to sit around all day, and I can be active?"

[k-slash]

I would rather go somewhere on foot or on a bike than drive. I hate most people's piss poor attittude about doing things manually is too hard and things like that. I hate laziness too, which most people are. I'm planning for college now and the question I'm asking myself is "What kind of career can I get where I don't have to sit around all day, and I can be active?"
Housekeeping.

[chicanerous]

Lamarck is king! Lamarck is king!

[Skilzat85X]

Lamarck remains king!
Yes ahaha. I wasn't going to comment on this until a few responses in but quite right.

[thereid]

To be honest I only care about my own stength, power, physical capacity, etc.. everyone else can go to hell and it doesn't really bother me if they are weak or not.

[paulSA]

To be honest I only care about my own stength, power, physical capacity, etc.. everyone else can go to hell and it doesn't really bother me if they are weak or not.

People who dont do anything about being weak and pathetic should get the fuck out of our gene pool. plain and simple.

[Konnar]

we are all HARDCORE

if you're weak, FUCK OFF LOSER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quit being lazy and ditch studies, material wealth and social life for the HARDCORE lifestyle ! Booyah !

More seriously though, being fit is beautiful.

[Skilzat85X]

Even judging from some responses of this topic, I personally think the better trade off would be for people to read books than to lift weights. Aha.

[paulSA]

Even judging from some responses of this topic, I personally think the better trade off would be for people to read books than to lift weights. Aha.

lol, to have any form of future for sure, but its really not difficult to balance both...thats where the lazy people fail.

[540Ninja]

lol, to have any form of future for sure, but its really not difficult to balance both...thats where the lazy people fail.

Yea a balance of intelligence and strength would be ideal. I wouldnt want to see a world full of fat smart people, or a world full of diluted strong people. Although if you are smart in the first place, you wouldn't let yourself get fat in the first place. There's a lot more I can say about this but I don't feel like typing any longer.

[Origional]

Yea a balance of intelligence and strength would be ideal. I wouldnt want to see a world full of fat smart people, or a world full of diluted strong people. Although if you are smart in the first place, you wouldn't let yourself get fat in the first place. There's a lot more I can say about this but I don't feel like typing any longer.
Outstanding circumstances.

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Most of you are looking at this like it is a black and white issue. It is not - people are not. We are complex - we are dimensional. Who are you to decide the one size fits all solution (assuming that there needs to be - which may or may not be the case)? If people are dimensional why should we use an equation that is simple? The answer is we shouldn't.

What about people who were terminally ill when they were young and this prevented them from training - are they not allowed to reproduce simply because they have not reached their potential?

What about the millions of people that show up to the gym every week and work out but make little progress. You know them - the 17 year old who works his pecs 3 times a week so "he can hit all the muscle"? What about the men who have been doing the same routine for twenty years because their coach in college told them it was good?

I am going to assume that the previous statements were directed at females as well as males. What is your opinion about the 'girlfriends' who go to curves three times a week to stay sexy. They will never reach their genetic potential. Are they allowed to reproduce too?

Moreover, what about the family that was hit by a drunk driver. None of them will ever reach their genetic potential. Are they unfit to have children and be happy?

How could you deny these good, neigh great people the right to be happy?


How could you possibly punish those that do have kids? Take their children away?

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Moreover, the moment you deny something to anybody you create jealousy. Jealousy leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to revolution. Revolution leads to armageddon, civil war, death camps. Congratulations, you have just created a doomsday theory.



Take a good look at your previous posts and re-evaluate yourselves.

[540Ninja]

My post wasn't exactly a response to the original post really, we were kind of getting off the topic, but what you said makes sense.

[Origional]

My post wasn't exactly a response to the original post really, we were kind of getting off the topic, but what you said makes sense.

My response to that post was:


Outstanding circumstances.

The other things, while aimed at you - were also meant for the majority of people posting in this topic.

[540Ninja]

Well I still don't like fat or stupid people.

[Origional]

Well I still don't like fat or stupid people.
Why?

[TricksterBee]

im really fit so it doesnt matter, if I wasnt, I would not be a gymnast..

i would like to see more athletic girls, other than that i gotta drill my erections :agony:

[Skilzat85X]

Outstanding circumstances.

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Most of you are looking at this like it is a black and white issue. It is not - people are not. We are complex - we are dimensional. Who are you to decide the one size fits all solution (assuming that there needs to be - which may or may not be the case)? If people are dimensional why should we use an equation that is simple? The answer is we shouldn't.

What about people who were terminally ill when they were young and this prevented them from training - are they not allowed to reproduce simply because they have not reached their potential?

What about the millions of people that show up to the gym every week and work out but make little progress. You know them - the 17 year old who works his pecs 3 times a week so "he can hit all the muscle"? What about the men who have been doing the same routine for twenty years because their coach in college told them it was good?

I am going to assume that the previous statements were directed at females as well as males. What is your opinion about the 'girlfriends' who go to curves three times a week to stay sexy. They will never reach their genetic potential. Are they allowed to reproduce too?

Moreover, what about the family that was hit by a drunk driver. None of them will ever reach their genetic potential. Are they unfit to have children and be happy?

How could you deny these good, neigh great people the right to be happy?


How could you possibly punish those that do have kids? Take their children away?

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Moreover, the moment you deny something to anybody you create jealousy. Jealousy leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to revolution. Revolution leads to armageddon, civil war, death camps. Congratulations, you have just created a doomsday theory.



Take a good look at your previous posts and re-evaluate yourselves.
I'm all for critical thinking about this but I think you're taking this situation to the other extreme haha, as well as stating statements as truths were they are only perceived that way by you. "The answer is this", "this leads to that", "this creates this"; these are all declarative statements yet the declaration is being treated as a given when it may not be given, when it may not necessarily be true.

I guess my point is: what the nigg lol. I think you're looking too much into the opposite end of this just for the sake of exaggerating this into a doomsday phenomenon.

That being said, this is quite more agreeable than the 'athletic eugenics' crap that has been mentioned previously haha. :beer:

[Origional]

im really fit so it doesnt matter, if I wasnt, I would not be a gymnast..

i would like to see more athletic girls, other than that i gotta drill my erections :agony:

Please keep the publicus jokes inside the publicus.

[TricksterBee]

this isnt the publicus lol?

[Origional]

I'm all for critical thinking about this but I think you're taking this situation to the other extreme haha, as well as stating statements as truths were they are only perceived that way by you. "The answer is this", "this leads to that", "this creates this"; these are all declarative statements yet the declaration is being treated as a given when it may not be given, when it may not necessarily be true.

I guess my point is: what the nigg lol. I think you're looking too much into the opposite end of this just for the sake of exaggerating this into a doomsday phenomenon.

That being said, this is quite more agreeable than the 'athletic eugenics' crap that has been mentioned previously haha. :beer:

lol. I am just warming up for debate (I have a meet wed.). I found this a good oppertunity to both get some juices flowing and show my outlook. To be honest, I probably would have made better arguments if I was sober:tongue:.

[TricksterBee]

either way im serious about drilling my erections.. :eh:

[Origional]

either way im serious about drilling my erections.. :eh:
It was not funny the first time, what makes you think it would be funny the second time?

[TricksterBee]

i wasnt being funny, i was serious my cawk is broken

[540Ninja]

Why?

Why not? They are wasting our resources, eating our food and kidnapping our children.:swashy:

[Origional]

i wasnt being funny, i was serious my cawk is broken

Congratulations?

[540Ninja]

either way im serious about drilling my erections.. :eh:

::high five:: :smile:

[Origional]

Why not? They are wasting our resources, eating our food and kidnapping our children.:swashy:
Your kidding, right?

[540Ninja]

Edit: No, why is there something wrong with that theory?

[Papa Lazarou]

Just a question for basically everyone in the thread:

Have you thought that through at all?

[Origional]

Just a question for basically everyone in the thread:

Have you thought that through at all?
Yes.

[540Ninja]

Just a question for basically everyone in the thread:

Have you thought that through at all?

Just a question for basically everyone in the thread:

Do you have to take the internet so serious?

[Papa Lazarou]

It's not really the internet I'm taking seriously though is it?

[Origional]

Just a question for basically everyone in the thread:

Do you have to take the internet so serious?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_popculture_blog/2007/11/girl-commits-su.html

[540Ninja]

Nope. My post was not directed at you though Papa Lazarou. I did say "basically everyone" haha

Pretty much everyone but you and Skilz

[540Ninja]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_popculture_blog/2007/11/girl-commits-su.html

A prime example of why you shouldn't take the internet seriously, thanks for backing me up :smile:

[TricksterBee]

and yet he does.. :eh:

[Colonel]

People who dont do anything about being weak and pathetic should get the fuck out of our gene pool. plain and simple.

Ahaah that's awesome. :good:

[Papa Lazarou]

Yeah, because laziness is solely the result of genetics.

Nope. My post was not directed at you though Papa Lazarou. I did say "basically everyone" haha

Pretty much everyone but you and Skilz

Yet you replied to me after I'd directed it at you. Guess I'm not subtle enough =p

I'M STILL TAKING IT SERIOUSLY, OKAY?

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Outstanding circumstances.

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Most of you are looking at this like it is a black and white issue. It is not - people are not. We are complex - we are dimensional. Who are you to decide the one size fits all solution (assuming that there needs to be - which may or may not be the case)? If people are dimensional why should we use an equation that is simple? The answer is we shouldn't.Just before I answer your other questions bare in mind that whilst me being partially serious about this thread,I would could it a semi-serious thread. I'm not sure what you mean about the one size fits all coming in to this?

What about people who were terminally ill when they were young and this prevented them from training - are they not allowed to reproduce simply because they have not reached their potential?Nope,if they're weak they're not allowed to reproduce in my world.

What about the millions of people that show up to the gym every week and work out but make little progress. You know them - the 17 year old who works his pecs 3 times a week so "he can hit all the muscle"? What about the men who have been doing the same routine for twenty years because their coach in college told them it was good?Well if the 17 year old doesn't smarten up after some years training then him & his out of proportion pecs can perish. Those who make little progress have their whole lives to get near their potential or if not near it then certainly close which is good enough for me. If the coach told somebody the routine was good & that somebody has been doing it for 20years then it must be good.

I am going to assume that the previous statements were directed at females as well as males. What is your opinion about the 'girlfriends' who go to curves three times a week to stay sexy. They will never reach their genetic potential. Are they allowed to reproduce too?No,not unless they pick up a barbell any time soon.

Moreover, what about the family that was hit by a drunk driver. None of them will ever reach their genetic potential. Are they unfit to have children and be happy?Yes,unless they have some sort of myostatin deficiency.

How could you deny these good, neigh great people the right to be happy?Because I don't care about their happiness,I care about having a healthier,stronger future. Happiness means nothing when it comes to survival.


How could you possibly punish those that do have kids? Take their children away?Obviously I can't do shit about any of this in the first place. There's no way for me to be able to punish everybody reproducing that I don't want to,there's no way for me to convince everybody in the world to become stronger,faster,better etc. But if I could then after rounding up some followers we'd devour anybody not willing to comply.

Moreover, the moment you deny something to anybody you create jealousy. Jealousy leads to anger, anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to revolution. Revolution leads to armageddon, civil war, death camps. Congratulations, you have just created a doomsday theory.As I said before,this isn't too serious,ahah. Although the war could make things speed up,stronger versus weaker - We'd pound 'em:pwing:

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Why?
Why not? I'm a primitive/traditional man. Obviously we don't need to be stronger to survive any more, but I want us to keep these relatively strong attributes that we've acquired after years of hard work & I'd like us to continue to get stronger.

[Papa Lazarou]

Since the earlier reference was too vague:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckian_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

And while we're at it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#Criticism

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Yes,I was aware that I appear to be favouring Lamarckism,but say if I could have my world; if soft or epigenetic inheritance actually occurs then that is great,but regardless the stronger individuals are going to be the ones allowed to reproduce. Also,if somebody becomes stronger & larger & the characteristics are favourable wouldn't they get passed on too(natural selection)?

Would it be also sound to say that 'favourable' heritable traits are changing / have changed over these years of technology advancement considerably which is why people are becoming physically weaker & in general less apt to physically demanding tasks? Like for example somebody has inherited a unusually hunched (or straight)back & due to most peoples sedentary lifestyle that characteristic has become favourable due to this modern lifestyle of sitting in chairs OR the fact that most westerners have less ass(glute development) due to shoes being invented(particularly heeled shoes) & most people now walk more on the balls of their feet rather than digging dirt with their heels.

I'm no good with genetics.

[Skippy]

Only the strongest will survive =D

I like the idea of your world Aiden haha. For the moment, although I am still weak, I am stronger than the average person marginally and slightly bigger build wise, this gives me some self esteem :] So I kinda like the world just as it is too.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Haha =P,don't be worried about how strong you are now,we have years to come. I myself am only just stronger than average too,but I'd say the average person has a greater genetic potential than me because I'd say I'm 'naturally weaker' than average, but I know nothing of genetic potential, I'm just assuming that the naturally stronger person is going to have a greater strength potential as I also assume that the generally larger a person is then the greater their potential will be,maybe somebody could give me some insight?

[Papa Lazarou]

Someone else can field this one, I'm too scatterbrained at the moment.

[Skippy]

I guess bodytypes have alot to do with it as well, I have a friend called Nick who had never, neverrrrr touched weights and he's pretty muscular naturally, he always has been. He'd always been stronger than everyone too, and he only eats like one meal a day because he's so lazy when it comes to cooking haha, so he doesn't even get in barely any calories or nothing.

He can tuck planche to handstand though, and his strength with weights when I brought some dumbbells and plates round to his was definitely above normal, certainly apart from myself he was stronger than everyone else in the room by quite a bit, and the only reason he wasn't stronger than me was I'd only just stopped weight lifting so I had a few months training behind me.

I guess he'd be like, what I would say was proper 100% mesomorph.

[The Laughing Man]

Lol, you're funny. This thread it funny too!

To be honest I only care about my own stength, power, physical capacity, etc.. everyone else can go to hell and it doesn't really bother me if they are weak or not.

I agree, other peoples crapness just makes me look even more awesome!:tongue:

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Haha. Laughing man,you're allowed to pass on your genes already:wink:

[shengoikee]

actually i think this thread is hilarious (in the bad way)

[The Laughing Man]

But I haven't reached my genetic potential in anything yet.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

The term was loose,you're strong though.

[Origional]

Just before I answer your other questions bare in mind that whilst me being partially serious about this thread,I would could it a semi-serious thread. I'm not sure what you mean about the one size fits all coming in to this?

Nope,if they're weak they're not allowed to reproduce in my world.

Well if the 17 year old doesn't smarten up after some years training then him & his out of proportion pecs can perish. Those who make little progress have their whole lives to get near their potential or if not near it then certainly close which is good enough for me. If the coach told somebody the routine was good & that somebody has been doing it for 20years then it must be good.

No,not unless they pick up a barbell any time soon.

Yes,unless they have some sort of myostatin deficiency.

Because I don't care about their happiness,I care about having a healthier,stronger future. Happiness means nothing when it comes to survival.


Obviously I can't do shit about any of this in the first place. There's no way for me to be able to punish everybody reproducing that I don't want to,there's no way for me to convince everybody in the world to become stronger,faster,better etc. But if I could then after rounding up some followers we'd devour anybody not willing to comply.

As I said before,this isn't too serious,ahah. Although the war could make things speed up,stronger versus weaker - We'd pound 'em:pwing:

You are assuming that you are going to be on the strong side. Unless you are close to your genetic potential then I would say that you would be one the weak side.

[[RozoN]]

Everybody needs to shut the fuck up!

King RozoN is here

[Skilzat85X]

I suppose what Papa Lazarou is trying to say is: the elitism of this idea is matched only by the lack of actually knowledge about genetic inheritance lol.

[540Ninja]

So basically I have the same idea's as Aiden, and the opposite view as Origional and a few others. I'm not being 100% serious about this, and no one should. It's a imaginary scenario that Aiden said he would thought would be cool if it happened, don't shit your pants over this thread guys.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

You are assuming that you are going to be on the strong side. Unless you are close to your genetic potential then I would say that you would be one the weak side.Well,although it seemed that I blatantly was assuming that,I'm actually not. I wouldn't say I'm anywhere near my genetic potential yet,I have the rest of my life to reach it & I don't plan on stopping lifting ever. I'm weak. Maybe if something happens to me & I become disabled or close to, then I may chose not to reproduce,possibly?

I suppose what Papa Lazarou is trying to say is: the elitism of this idea is matched only by the lack of actually knowledge about genetic inheritance lol.So endow me:tongue: & although Lamarckism is outdated show me evidence that soft inheritance isn't so.

So basically I have the same idea's as Aiden, and the opposite view as Origional and a few others. I'm not being 100% serious about this, and no one should. It's a imaginary scenario that Aiden said he would thought would be cool if it happened, don't shit your pants over this thread guys.Exactly.

[Casper]

i don't mind weak as in physical weakness but mental weakness is what i hate.
people who adore their bodys too much just too look cool, or love celebertys on mtv

fucking hate it

[Skilzat85X]

@Aiden
What I'm not the one with the thesis here. Prove that your 'soft inheritance' is going to happen in the way you're bringing out and then I'll see whether or not I even have to counter argue it haha.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Obviously I can't prove that it's going to happen in the way that I'm bringing out,but I can say how I intend it to happen from what I know about any of this(nothing): Soft inheritance - "the genetic basis of characters could be modified either by direct induction by the environment, or by use and disuse, or by an intrinsic failure of constancy, and that this modified genotype was then transmitted to the next generation." So the environment / use of intrinsic constancy(training) would be the the idea behind me getting everybody strong as hell & then reproducing.

[shengoikee]

aiden is kind of like hitler.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Haha,but worse / with crapper motives.

[Skilzat85X]

Obviously I can't prove that it's going to happen in the way that I'm bringing out,but I can say how I intend it to happen from what I know about any of this(nothing): So the environment / use of intrinsic constancy(training) would be the the idea behind me getting everybody strong as hell & then reproducing.

It doesn't work though honestly haha.

I mean it's good concept for a work of science fiction literature, but in reality these applications just won't work.

"Alright, I got my deadlift up to 400! Let's do it now baby! Quick! We have to pass this on!"

[shengoikee]

Haha,but worse / with crapper motives.

putting fat people in concentration camps.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

It doesn't work though honestly haha.

I mean it's good concept for a work of science fiction literature, but in reality these applications just won't work.

"Alright, I got my deadlift up to 400! Let's do it now baby! Quick! We have to pass this on!"Yeah,haha. The more I'm learning about this(read quite a lot of stuff today) the more I see where you're coming from. Here's a slightly interesting link: http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/7408.html most likely nothing new to you.

I have a few questions though.

Is natural selection even occurring any more? Because in these times practically anybody can survive no matter how unfavourable ones heritable traits are. The fact that life isn't a struggle to survive any more therefore no particular traits are favourable OR are 'favourable' traits these days different? Different in the way that they're favourable to our current activities which is considerably less than years & years ago,so would this be the whole explanation of us being generally weaker? & do you think it could possibly lead us to eventually having noticeably different postures due to the large degree of sedentary life style & furniture which people spend the sedentary times in?

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Also,I read somewhere that one of the very few people that have myostatin deficiency(possibly that slightly recent german kid's) dad was reported to be unusually naturally stronger. Is it possible that the father's father of that child 'softly' inherited traits from his father which lead to him being naturally stronger & then lead to his child being basically super human with myostatin deficiency or would it be completely 'hard' inheritance through each father being progressively deficient in myostatin?

[linkrjh]

Why just physical fitness? Why not make all sorts of tests before people can reproduce. IQ tests, abstract math tests, cardio tests. Why just strength? Imagine how crazy the world would get if our genetic pools were limited to not only the best, but the best who put the effort required to accomplish these goals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

'Favourable traits' can mean lots of things,but yes my questions are based more around physical things.

[Origional]

I wasn't 100% serious here. I am more or less warming up for debate.

Although, I do agree with quite a few things mentioned here, and I did argue my perspective.

If that makes sense.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

It's all cool then. Warm up some more if you wish or if possible answer some of my above questions.

[Ashtar]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LamarckWasRight

This is only one small criteria people should have before passing on their genes. Being fit will not make your offspring fit, but it will let you set a good example for them. You still need other qualities, like financial security, the ability to communicate, relate, etc. to actually be able to impart these.

In fact, genes are really not an issue at all here, even if you become fit, you can pass these onto others without passing your genes on, just go adopt someone, or, less hassle, volunteer to be in a 'big brother' program: you won't fuck up a life as much if you fail at it.

i don't mind weak as in physical weakness but mental weakness is what i hate. people who adore their bodys too much just too look cool, or love celebertys on mtv fucking hate itWhy do you think it is a mental weakness to adore your own body because it looks cool? Why is it a mental weakness to love celebrities on MTV?

Why just physical fitness? Why not make all sorts of tests before people can reproduce. IQ tests, abstract math tests, cardio tests. Why just strength? Imagine how crazy the world would get if our genetic pools were limited to not only the best, but the best who put the effort required to accomplish these goals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EugenicsThe problem with these tests is they can not be isolated to genetic causes. All of these factors are influenced by nurture, social status, wealth, chance, etc. The best you can hope for is a genetic correlation. It is very vague. The more accurate way to test this would be to raise all children equally by the government, to take out the individual variations from how parents raise them, so that that tradition is not factor.

Furthermore, mental factors are the main criteria here, as they are obviously what propels our advancements forward. They are complex though and it is difficult for us to isolate which mental factors are important, if they are even measurable at all prior to the achievements they create. We can only vaguely guess through things like IQ tests. The problems with those, is that they are tests that we already know the answers to.

What we need are creative brains that will answer questions that we haven't answered yet, and you can't directly test for that, you can simply observe tendencies and habits and hope those take a person's imagination in the right direction.

Yeah, because laziness is solely the result of genetics. Yet you replied to me after I'd directed it at you. Guess I'm not subtle enough =p I'M STILL TAKING IT SERIOUSLY, OKAY?Laziness is the inherant state of the universe. Laziness is an absence of an impulse to do things. Those impulses are evolved things. If someone does not have an impulse to accomplish or progress, then that person has either regressed and does not have it, or more likely, it lies dormant because the person has not been adequately stimulated. People should be trying to stimulate and inspire each other instead of condemning lazy people, which probably only worsens the problem a lot of the time.

if somebody becomes stronger & larger & the characteristics are favourable wouldn't they get passed on too(natural selection)No. All humans have the capacity to become stronger and larger. None of their genes (somatic or germline) are altered as a result of this. Traits like this are selected for in terms of strong parents not dying before they can breed, or being strong enough to defend their young. If a person adopts habits of nurturing strength, the young can emulate this, but this is memetic inheritance, not genetic.

I read somewhere that one of the very few people that have myostatin deficiency(possibly that slightly recent german kid's) dad was reported to be unusually naturally stronger. Is it possible that the father's father of that child 'softly' inherited traits from his father which lead to him being naturally stronger & then lead to his child being basically super human with myostatin deficiency or would it be completely 'hard' inheritance through each father being progressively deficient in myostatin?If the myostatin deficiency is an inherant disorder from the embryo (and thus, present in the germline) then there's a 50/50 chance of children inheriting it. I suppose if both the mother and father had deficiencies from different areas (I don't know if that's possible, no idea where myostatin genes are in the chromozones) then possibly they could overlap. I suppose over time mutations could occur so that people get more and more deficient over time... but there's just as much (probably more) likelyhood that it could get better again, or fixed by being replaced by a functional gene that properly regulates it.

Would it be also sound to say that 'favourable' heritable traits are changing / have changed over these years of technology advancement considerably which is why people are becoming physically weaker & in general less apt to physically demanding tasks?Due to our technology, fitness is not as predominant a factor of selection in terms of survival (though it still plays a strong role in sexual selection I think, we still find the old factors erotic on a base level, though the higher levels of the mind recognize the new factors like mental traits/wealth). I'm not sure if I'd call physical weakness a 'favourable' trait, but you'd expect it to be less predominant if it weren't as necessary anymore, because it isn't selected against.

Possible advantages to that would be a lower metabolism I suppose, meaning the person spends less money on food, and more money on diamond rings to get mates with, and being less intimidating and more approachable to others who have developed a fear of strong people, like with how many guys go for demure/frail girls.

Like for example somebody has inherited a unusually hunched (or straight)back & due to most peoples sedentary lifestyle that characteristic has become favourable due to this modern lifestyle of sitting in chairs OR the fact that most westerners have less ass(glute development) due to shoes being invented(particularly heeled shoes) & most people now walk more on the balls of their feet rather than digging dirt with their heels.That could be a factor, but since did originally design chairs to support a natural back, I wouldn't think it would be that horrible that a new kind of back would mutate to be more favourable for it. I guess it's possible though, since ergonomics often took a back seat to having 'pretty' looking chairs, or people liking to see other squirm in their seats and become uncomforable so that they would not relax and would pay attention to class.

Despite heels, even though that brings the ball of the foot closer to the ground, are we actually putting more weight on it? If that were the case, then when when we run do we strike with the heel when we never used to? The heels might actually increase the amount of weight we put on them.

Lower glute development in people is probably more due to just not using them, rather than a genetic inability to build glutes. Due to chairs we don't sit in full squat anymore, and due to tables, we're trained to flex in the lower back rather than at the hips, so it's used less there too.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Fucking hell Ashtar,well done,you clearly had nothing better to do,haha.

[shengoikee]

hahahaha *facepalm*

[The Laughing Man]

Yeah,haha. The more I'm learning about this(read quite a lot of stuff today) the more I see where you're coming from. Here's a slightly interesting link: http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/7408.html most likely nothing new to you.

I have a few questions though.

Is natural selection even occurring any more? Because in these times practically anybody can survive no matter how unfavourable ones heritable traits are. The fact that life isn't a struggle to survive any more therefore no particular traits are favourable OR are 'favourable' traits these days different? Different in the way that they're favourable to our current activities which is considerably less than years & years ago,so would this be the whole explanation of us being generally weaker? & do you think it could possibly lead us to eventually having noticeably different postures due to the large degree of sedentary life style & furniture which people spend the sedentary times in?

Well in one way it is, less awesome people don't get to fuck as many chicks, so don't get the opportunity to reproduce as often,

But then again, theres some pretty un-awesome chicks for all those un-aweome guys, so I guess we are breeding crapness aswell as awesomeness.

[Papa Lazarou]

Good decision making trumps pretty much all other traits anyway.

If you're doing bad things, being stronger or smarter just makes them worse!

So I suppose being talented is like playing a high stakes poker game or something. You'd better be good at poker...

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

I've never played it..



:tongue:

[Anima]

I've only read this thread about half way through, but wtf haha.

In our society, we don't need to be strong. So what's the point? Also, it sounds like some sort of Nazi society in which you have to have perfect attrubutes in order to stay in the society. It just sound really stupid to me haha.

Also, some people don't want to be traditional males. I think you should just let people look how they want to. :good:

[Skippy]

I think those people are stupid! they can be the slaves of the new world!

[Skippy]

"MAKE ME A STATUE USING ONLY THE BIGGEST STONES"

"BUT I CAN'T LIFT THEM ='["

"WHOSE FAULT IS THAT?"

>=]

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Skippy knows the drill.

[Anima]

Haha, who cares if you can lift big stones or not? I mean what difference does it make really.

[Skippy]

You're the type of person who would get beaten to death in Aidens world because you couldn't make me a statue.

[Anima]

I'm not saying I don't want to get strong haha! :smile:

I'm just saying that things like that shouldn't be forced onto people.

Obviously it's a positive thing that I think is great for the individual, just not a rule for society. :good:

[Final Prophecy]

(a bunch of interesting shit)

Even though people are frailer and frailer they still have the genetic potential to get strong.

I'm fixing to write up a 3 page post on the bodybuilding.com about how I'm probably the biggest hardgainer on the planet (because of NUMEROUS health problems) and yet I've still gained almost 25 lbs of muscle in the past year.

Anyways, why do you care? The more frail people the better, makes you stand out more.

And Tyler from fightclub said it best, "We're a generation of men raised by women."

[Skippy]

I'm not saying I don't want to get strong haha! :smile:

I'm just saying that things like that shouldn't be forced onto people.

Obviously it's a positive thing that I think is great for the individual, just not a rule for society. :good:


THIS IS AIDENS WORLD, AIDEN GETS TO PICK WHAT HAPPENS IN HIS WORLD. THIS IS NOT A SERIOUS THREAD!

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Even though people are frailer and frailer they still have the genetic potential to get strong.

I'm fixing to write up a 3 page post on the bodybuilding.com about how I'm probably the biggest hardgainer on the planet (because of NUMEROUS health problems) and yet I've still gained almost 25 lbs of muscle in the past year.

Anyways, why do you care? The more frail people the better, makes you stand out more.

And Tyler from fightclub said it best, "We're a generation of men raised by women."
Well,apparent altruism is supposed to usually have selfish motives,but I can't really think of any subconscious selfish motives that would make others being stronger advantageous to me apart from something like: if I'm lifting something heavy with somebody like a bed through a house & I'm doing more work,it would be of help if the other person was stronger to take some of the workload off me,but I'm not so in need of people helping me lift stuff & therefore that really isn't a point of selfish motive. So,there's no selfish motive & therefore no apparent altruism, so the answer to your question is: I don't care.

It's just a role play-type thread I guess.:tongue:

Lucky for most I'm not in any relation to a higher authority,haha.

[paulSA]

Even though people are frailer and frailer they still have the genetic potential to get strong.

I'm fixing to write up a 3 page post on the bodybuilding.com about how I'm probably the biggest hardgainer on the planet (because of NUMEROUS health problems) and yet I've still gained almost 25 lbs of muscle in the past year.

Anyways, why do you care? The more frail people the better, makes you stand out more.

And Tyler from fightclub said it best, "We're a generation of men raised by women."

bahahaha, 25lbs of muscle?... 25lbs of lean mass?...excuse me but...bahahahahahahahahaa. Ok, the laughing fit has subsided.

[-Envy-]

You just have to put a positive spin on it. With so many weak crap sacks lazing around all day, it only serves to make you look even better for not being that way.

[Skippy]

bahahaha, 25lbs of muscle?... 25lbs of lean mass?...excuse me but...bahahahahahahahahaa. Ok, the laughing fit has subsided.

25lbs of lean mass for a beginner, is by no means impossible lolol.

I would expect someone with a good diet and decent regime to be making those kind of gains within their first year, or maybe throughout their second year they could also, otherwise you're just having plain ole bad progress in my own personal opinion.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Yeah,also most people don't realise that there's difference between 25lbs of lean mass gained & 25lbs of muscle gained.

[Skippy]

I assumed by lean mass in this case he mean't muscle I would also like to add haha. Aiden I have a quick little intriguing discussion to have with you about bench press anatomy, to the msn cave!

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Let's do this. *signing on*

[The Laughing Man]

bahahaha, 25lbs of muscle?... 25lbs of lean mass?...excuse me but...bahahahahahahahahaa. Ok, the laughing fit has subsided.

You dumb fuck.

[540Ninja]

I have come to this thread to post the number of the beast...That's right...My 666th post on TT....I have cursed this thread, ALL OF YOU ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!

I give you...........IRON MAIDEN enjoy
AUOpUqni0_g

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

haha,only the laughing man is allowed to laugh that much,shame on Paul.

[tdmonster]

I have come to this thread to post the number of the beast...That's right...My 666th post on TT....I have cursed this thread, ALL OF YOU ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!

I give you...........IRON MAIDEN enjoy
AUOpUqni0_g

I POSTED THAT LAST NIGHT, FAGOT!:wink:

[paulSA]

You dumb fuck.

You little bitch...wow, you know how to insult people....congratulations you twat. Now as for my post, I asked, 25lbs of lean mass? or muscle? And no, i wouldnt expect anyone claiming to be a hard gainer to pick up that type of mass in one year...

[Ashtar]

Fucking hell Ashtar,well done,you clearly had nothing better to do,haha.Actually I have loads better stuff to do, it's just that it's hard stuff, and I'm apathetic so... posting on forums is easier, yet it accomplishes nothing.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Haha,I noticed you quoted me:tongue:

[Zenchi]

Yeah I just wanna say booties. Yeah booties.
Not only do they keep your feet warm in this frigid winter of 66 degrees Fahrenheit,
but they are also blue http://hitherandyarn.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/dulaan-magic-28-socks.jpg
These aren't mine but are similar to the ones my dead grandmother made.
Where the hell am I going with this I don't know, but I do know I just watched Pirates of the Caribbean 3 again.

[Spiral]

well i dont really want to read through this entire fucking thread, but I dont think you understand genetics, Aiden.

you cannot change your genetics through training. haha.

the sperm you produce have the exact same genetic makeup, no matter if you're 110 lbs, or a pro bodybuilder or gymnast.

of course, being a gymnast clasically makes you more likely to pass on your genes, but that defeats the point, dosn't it?

women are going for bookworms rather than gym rats these days. and thats the problem.

[Ashtar]

That's not really a problem, intelligence is very valuable. It's more likely to solve our coming problems than muscle is, and fitness can be taught to bookworms.

[Skippy]

Ashtar shut up and build me a fucking statue.

[Ashtar]

http://www.mikesbaby.com/archives/seal_statue.jpg
You're one of those, and you already have visitors.