View Full Version : tricking: mainstream (germany)
saulus
Jan-29-09, 05:53 AM
TODAY IS THE DAY!!
some of our german trickers are going to be at one of the biggest tv shows in germany it's called "tv total" and it always promotes new stuff!!
if anybody has german tv programs it's going to be shown on "Pro7" at 23:15 watch it!!
best news is!! it goes under the name "tricking" nothing like mlm or some other bullshit!!!
wuhuuuu!!
i am so pumped about this hahaha....
JiayoJames
Jan-29-09, 05:56 AM
Nice!!
Cymatrelic
Jan-29-09, 06:56 AM
lawl this is awesome!!!!!! Whaha Im looking forward to this^^
dpitlock
Jan-29-09, 07:02 AM
awesome!
saulus
Jan-29-09, 07:08 AM
i hope everything works out and they don't bail their tricks or something...
background info:
870.000 people watch every show in average and there are 4 shows a week...
back in 2000 when it was shown 2 times a week 3,87 million watched it in average haha...
Shaolin.dk
Jan-29-09, 07:44 AM
nice one man! Congrats!
gonna check if i have that channel, i know i have some german channels!:good:
Augenatic
Jan-29-09, 08:20 AM
yees, i want it uppedd so i can see it :tongue:
AWESOME!
please upload the video if you can! i think we all want to see this!
Dave C
Jan-29-09, 08:31 AM
Rep well! Congrats!
Totoro
Jan-29-09, 08:46 AM
god, I hope they dont talk shit or backflip all the time. :tongue:
yes, upload fo sho. :good:
WAHOOO !!
Sounds like a GREAT achievement !!
plz say fresh is on !
daviddalo
Jan-29-09, 10:16 AM
its a team called raegeki, theyre actually pretty skilled :wink: so watch out haha
@alexx, during the bigtrick, a documentary was shot about it with Fresh as the main character, it will be aired on german television as well pretty soon :smile:
shengoikee
Jan-29-09, 10:26 AM
oh cool
=D
brandonn
Jan-29-09, 01:41 PM
Ohhhhh snap!! Cantwait to seethis
AWESOME.!!!! RECORD AND UP FOR US! :D
datrickingferret
Jan-29-09, 02:00 PM
Why do you all want the sport become mainstream?????I cant understand that...!I m german i will give a response how the let "us" look like in the show...
datrickingferret
Jan-29-09, 02:02 PM
by the way germany is 6 hours further....
SShortyy
Jan-30-09, 01:55 PM
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=DpO60Pn-_pQ
There you go.
JiayoJames
Jan-30-09, 02:36 PM
hmmm
datrickingferret
Jan-30-09, 02:45 PM
Normal team raigeki kicks ass more..!They got crazy height normally.But anyway one step closer to a mainstream sport. sad
i bring 5:41-55 and 6:08-6:21 into question.
It's not really what i was expecting but um, well at least its getting some publicity i guess.
Lol at the guy mocking the hand strikes in the background at the beginning :D
After watching it, I have three things to say/ask.
1. The sport karate style hand faggotry and the bowing. WHYYY??
2. Is the host Stefan Raab?
3. Though a bit repetitive, I liked it overall, especially because of the decent amount of kicks in there :good:
So congrats to them for a decent show.
A_Wilhelm
Jan-30-09, 03:29 PM
I think it would be better if people who want to promote tricking in tv etc, would present it a little more like it really is. In most cases I get the impression that they only show things they think the public will like the most (tumbling), or do things to make it look especially martial arts like (handcombos), and sacrifice alot of what tricking normally consists of.
I also think that it often looks too much like a dance show when people make a tricking show, instead of maybe just showing some cool and clean combos.
I understand that performing live in tv isn't easy, because you have to do stuff you wont bail, are nervous etc, but if they had asked they sure could had get plyo or atleast some mats, which may allow to do more, than on hard and slippery tv studio ground.
(or you may have to sent tricker to such an opportunity, who can represent tricking the best, Im not saying anything against team raigeki, I just would've liked it more to see some ott or kyle mclean combos, also it's unlikely that they travel for germany for such a thing, but there are many high level tricker who seem to be capable to do high level tricks and combos at any time)
Atleast the video they showed in the beginning could have been a little more pure tricking like. I'm not speaking of the skilllevel, but I got the impression, that every combo in the vid had a cartwheel or a roundoff in it and I would've liked to see some more swing throughs and real tricking combos instead of tumbling. Just like it is in most samplers.
Im just saying that because I think that the public may gets a little wrong impression of what tricking is about.
If people represent tricking very freerunning/tumbling/hand-technique/martialarts-dance like, they can't wonder if it's seen this way.
So yeah maybe it would be better to show some good samplers or compilations of tricking on tv, because that could be able to represent tricking better than a live show.
In my country there are shows like "stoked" or something like that on tv, which show sportvids from surfing, skating, bmx etc, so that might be a better way to promote tricking, if some really good people would get samplers up there.
Im just throughing ideas out here, because there seem to be many people who want to promote tricking in the last time. I really have no oppinion on the subject and don't care, but If tricking is promoted I'd rather want it to be as what tricking really is. (plus, why are people always mentioning break dance? It's like you say that it also can consist of breakdancing to a little extent, and all the people remeber is, oh yeah tricking, that was breakdancing with punshes, right? Even stefan raab understood it this way for some reason. probably because breakdancing is cool and already well known)
I don't diss on anyones skilllevel here, nor on the show by team raigeki, because I suck and am really not in the position for that. But yeah just some thoughts.
Edit
This were more general things on tricking shows, than a comment on their show. So before anyone gets me wrong, I liked their show in general, and it wa sgood that they had kicks in there.
I was just saying that all above, because it's still like, the people who have heard about tricking seem to still think that what joe eigo does is tricking in perfection and noone is better than joe eigo, but when people get in a tv show and do the same things like joe eigo, only not as well executed, they're kinda proved right.
Although the main reason for it is, that the following vid is showing off as the first result when you search for "tricking" at youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqzyYFpHt6M
So it was Stefan Raab :D I remember some shitty music video with him about/with some mouse or something from roughly 10-12 years ago haha.
Auschwitz, the meaning of pain!
Wtf are they saying?
All i hear is breakdancing and pokemon.
*TRANSLATIONS*
daviddalo
Jan-31-09, 01:17 AM
haha they were saying how it is comparable to breakdancing just that its with martial arts, and the pokemon/yugioh thing has something to do with the team name raegeki
Nick Fail
Jan-31-09, 11:49 AM
Normal team raigeki kicks ass more..!They got crazy height normally.But anyway one step closer to a mainstream sport. sad
Why wouldn't you? If it becomes mainstream, the sport will grow beyond the bulk of people being on a forum and video sites. I love tricking and I wouldn't mind teaching it for a living. Think about there being 100 different gatherings the size of loopkicks or hurricane every year all over the world/your country. You could make it to huge gatherings, meet so many people. Nothing negative can really come from it I dont think.
Edit:
As for the guys doing the show, it'd been nice to have guys on there who could do good kicks as well as flipping all over the place. Tricking isn't just flipping. Anyone whos seen MLM will think its the same unless you throw your kicks in there. Props for getting the hook up though, the name will be out there for people to search. Good job either way guys.
datrickingferret
Feb-12-09, 01:02 PM
Why wouldn't you? If it becomes mainstream, the sport will grow beyond the bulk of people being on a forum and video sites. I love tricking and I wouldn't mind teaching it for a living. Think about there being 100 different gatherings the size of loopkicks or hurricane every year all over the world/your country. You could make it to huge gatherings, meet so many people. Nothing negative can really come from it
That are the good things i totally agree!But there is a bad side too- i think to much media attention would get the wrong people into the sport and they could it make look like "baseball" for ex. I think this would make it anonymous and cost the Soul of tricking...
Good thing should be maybe more acceptance from gymnasts and more open gym time....
Maybe i am the only person who`s thinking like this but i would preffer keeping tricking "Underground"<-when you want to call it that and personal.
BboyShinez
Feb-12-09, 01:12 PM
That are the good things i totally agree!But there is a bad side too- i think to much media attention would get the wrong people into the sport and they could it make look like "baseball" for ex. I think this would make it anonymous and cost the Soul of tricking...
Good thing should be maybe more acceptance from gymnasts and more open gym time....
Maybe i am the only person who`s thinking like this but i would preffer keeping tricking "Underground"<-when you want to call it that and personal.
I completly agree...
and you know once it becomes mainstream theres gunna be kids who just get into it to learn a few cool moves like flash corks fulls etc.
and the passion and hard work behind tricking will be lost for flashy moves and showing off....which IMO is not what tricking is about at all...
its gunna become like bboying....where youre gnna start see ppl on disney channel and sht doing crappy six steps and being called bboys....youre gunna be seeing kids doing r/o backs and being called experianced trickers...
Why wouldn't you? If it becomes mainstream, the sport will grow beyond the bulk of people being on a forum and video sites. I love tricking and I wouldn't mind teaching it for a living. Think about there being 100 different gatherings the size of loopkicks or hurricane every year all over the world/your country. You could make it to huge gatherings, meet so many people. Nothing negative can really come from it I dont think.
Edit:
As for the guys doing the show, it'd been nice to have guys on there who could do good kicks as well as flipping all over the place. Tricking isn't just flipping. Anyone whos seen MLM will think its the same unless you throw your kicks in there. Props for getting the hook up though, the name will be out there for people to search. Good job either way guys.
Actually negative can come out of it. Look at the bboy scene. I'm sure it wasnt as bad as it was when it was still underground, now you got newfags that come up and think they're the best and talk shit on OG's. i hate the bboy scene.
even though everyone can be dicks, most people will probably lose motivation, or will just want to learn flips, just like 80% of the people who would be interested in learning.
that's just my two cents.
the show was exactly what i thought it would be, 90% flips. but it was still good, representing tricking is always awesome. so good job guys! :good:
Gravityjay
Feb-12-09, 02:33 PM
I think a mock up battle would be a better way to do a show, with a practiced game of horse maybe...
The issue with tricking is that on its own, unless you are on a serious level, it's really hard to have a presentable show for the masses.
Which is why I, personally don't think tricking shows would work on their own without some kind of filler like sport karate or dancing.
For a pre-set game of horse you could have a score board and everything and make it pretty dynamic and cool looking, I have it all set in my head but it probably wouldn't work so well in reality...
Sakanem
Feb-12-09, 03:07 PM
apparently the floor in that studio was super-slippy ...
TomTheTrickster
Feb-12-09, 05:02 PM
I can only hope for the life of me that tricking stays underground. I could never stand it if it became mainstream and there's a bunch of assholes who learned to b-kick if some other simple trick and think they're hot shit. And as others have mentioned, it would degrade the sport. People would only want to learn flips and the emphasis on kicks would be lost almost completely. It would be horrible. I'm not saying there wouldn't be positives, but the negatives outweigh them.
saulus
Feb-12-09, 06:05 PM
I can only hope for the life of me that tricking stays underground. I could never stand it if it became mainstream and there's a bunch of assholes who learned to b-kick if some other simple trick and think they're hot shit. And as others have mentioned, it would degrade the sport. People would only want to learn flips and the emphasis on kicks would be lost almost completely. It would be horrible. I'm not saying there wouldn't be positives, but the negatives outweigh them.
hahahahahaha
you didn't even think about what you just said it seems!
come on think about it....
"a bunch of assholes who learned to b-kick if some other simple trick and think they're hot shit"
that sounds like a puberty problem to me..
it doesn't care what direction tricking takes, for you, for yourself tricking will always be what it used to be if you treat the situation right.... think about the feeling tricking gives you... it will not change if tricking goes mainstream...
not at all... atleast not if you just take it as it is...
why would you care about other people at ALL!?
for me, a real tricker tricks for himself... not for others...
and if "asshole" just learned a b-kick and "some other simple trick" but has fun doing it and is satisfied.....
he seems to be a much better person than you seem to be!!
think about it
drunken monkey style
BrandonLenz
Feb-12-09, 07:08 PM
i hope this will end well, usually if it gets big enough in one country wit will leak. i'm sure that in my lifetime tricking will be fairly mainstream if not a commonly known sport, all over the world.
Maybe even in my tricking years...
this is very interesting actually to look at. the evolution of this sport is amazing!
Zenchi
Feb-12-09, 07:42 PM
I wont care if tricking went mainstream or not, but i frecking hate choreographed tricking.
It just makes it seem so so stiff and I hate it. Tricking is about freedom and choreographs is a great way to get show the audience an example of tricking , but It just doesnt feel right.
BboyShinez
Feb-12-09, 07:45 PM
all I know is I dont want a thousand BYN running around....
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=DpO60Pn-_pQ
There you go.
i wanna rip up the girl at 7:28-29
i think we could have possibely been represented a bit better, however they did a pretty good job, mainstream tricks have pros n cons like everything else in life
Ambitrixterous
Feb-13-09, 12:09 PM
Why wouldn't you? If it becomes mainstream, the sport will grow beyond the bulk of people being on a forum and video sites. I love tricking and I wouldn't mind teaching it for a living. Think about there being 100 different gatherings the size of loopkicks or hurricane every year all over the world/your country. You could make it to huge gatherings, meet so many people. Nothing negative can really come from it I dont think.
Edit:
As for the guys doing the show, it'd been nice to have guys on there who could do good kicks as well as flipping all over the place. Tricking isn't just flipping. Anyone whos seen MLM will think its the same unless you throw your kicks in there. Props for getting the hook up though, the name will be out there for people to search. Good job either way guys.
I agree 100% with every word in this post. I don't know what people are talking about with the negative effects of tricking becoming mainstream. The baseball comparison is unrealistic because the fundamental elements of tricking will keep it from ever being related to something like that, and in case people haven't noticed the other issue that was brought up (the haters & people just trying to learn a few things to show off, etc) that happens regardless to everything & even already happens a bit here on TT, so what are you afraid of??
More importantly, the link has been removed :sad:
Kyle McLean
Feb-13-09, 12:21 PM
i kinda feel like those that dont want to tricking to be man stream are those nerdy kids that never had friends and sit on the interenet all day talking to the few hundred people like them. and those that want it to be main stream are just normal people that see that tricking is fun and why not get paid to do it. i dont want a real job and tricking is my life. why not get some monies for it.
begin flame session now.
Ambitrixterous
Feb-13-09, 12:24 PM
begin flame session now.
Haha UUUUGAAAD
datrickingferret
Feb-13-09, 04:21 PM
Thank God that we not all thinking the same.... would be pretty boring
i dont think kyle can make a generalization like that,
again going to say that notihng can ever be 100% positive especially if tricking were to go mainstream,
however i do think that what many people, who do not want tricking to go mainstream, tend to look at other tricks, and see tricking as a whole, rather than reflecting upon themselves.
i.e
Mainstreamer: Tricks for themselves
non-Mainstreamer: sees how others trick
Non mainstream will see the others trick and have more of an opnion
mainstream is a more personal experience
JiayoJames
Feb-14-09, 04:18 AM
i kinda feel like those that dont want to tricking to be man stream are those nerdy kids that never had friends and sit on the interenet all day talking to the few hundred people like them. and those that want it to be main stream are just normal people that see that tricking is fun and why not get paid to do it. i dont want a real job and tricking is my life. why not get some monies for it.
I agree with Kyle.
shengoikee
Feb-14-09, 05:00 AM
i dont want a real job and tricking is my life.
funnily enough this will change hahaha
tricking is a place holder. why put it up on a pedestal.
most "normal people" do want a "real job". :wink:
Kyle McLean
Feb-14-09, 10:02 AM
oh well i dont
jobs are boring. and dont involve enough tricks.
shengoikee
Feb-14-09, 10:05 AM
you're not normal!
haha
well good for you for having the passion
the whole mainstream thing isn't something worth debating so much. just be as good as you can be. if you get good enough people will notice you. eg a good enough sampler will become viral on the internet. i think we've yet to see one good enough.
so until then it's not worth caring
hahaha
-kyle mclean we loved your resume, do you think your ready for a job as a chartered accountant
-well yeah but theres not enough kicks, sorry
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