The Reverse Cowgirl Position

[Flowers]

Do you think it makes flips look ugly?


I was told in diving to never do that for doubles and such because the judges apparently thought it looked unclean.


I've always thought it made flips look alot cooler, especially when doubling. (you mainly see it on double fronts these days)


What do you guys think?

[anerky]

doubles just look ridiculous without it... bizarre and awkward
singles look equally ridiculous with a cowboy tuck.... just why?

[Rudy]

i hate the cowboy position, it makes things look stupid


ryan murray has my idea double position.

::edit::
plus, the cowboy position shows you can't pull it with a normal tuck

[Flowers]

That's a good point.

Whenever I see a double without a cowboy I always wonder why they limit their speed like that. And when I see a single with a cowboy I just think "overkill..."

[dpitlock]

I think it is ugly and less appealing.

[Flowers]

i hate the cowboy position, it makes things look stupid


ryan murray has my idea double position.

::edit::
plus, the cowboy position shows you can pull it with a normal tuck

I always thought Ryan would have landed his doubles in those combos if he had cowboy'd them.


What do you mean tho, by it shows you can pull it off with a normal tuck?

[Rudy]

i fixed my edit

[simon]

SCOTT SAID COWBOY, SO I COWBOY.

[Flowers]

Ah I got ya now.

But that's kind of like using a bad wrapping technique for a btwist just because you think it looks better, even though you could double if you just used the other technique.

it just seems like you're limiting yourself IMO

[Dragonic MiKe]

Morgan has the bestest doubleback.

[Swartz]

This isn't about the cowgirl position? DAMN IT!

[Rudy]

Ah I got ya now.

But that's kind of like using a bad wrapping technique for a btwist just because you think it looks better, even though you could double if you just used the other technique.

it just seems like you're limiting yourself IMO

i'm not limiting myself if i can do a double without cowboying, i can do them fine on a tramp, if i cowboy i over flip and get major whiplash. the only thing a cowboy should be used for is a kackflip.

[Flowers]

hahaha


But that just means you're having trouble spotting your landing and opening up.

[Jon P]

This isn't about the cowgirl position? DAMN IT!

jajaja

Cowboy tuck looks goofy. :smile:

[Swartz]

Last time I did a cowboy tuck I landed on my damn back.

[Flowers]

I'd like to see somebody land a double front on plyo without the cowboy

[Jon P]

Okay, I will do it tomorrow.

Just you wait.

[Jon P]

I don't think anyone is saying that the cowboy tuck isn't practical--just that it looks ugly / goofy.

[Kyle McLean]

blah...
cowboy makes it so much easier, but it can make it look ugly. some people can pull it off, some cant.

[Flowers]

When Charlie Tomayo does his double fronts in the cowboy, it looks soooo much cooler imo

[shengoikee]

my backflips are always cowboyed and look retarded haha

w00t

[Yuri]

i take shits in the cowboy position, sometimes I can even pull doubles or triples

[David M.]

cowboy tucks look better than normal tucking. fuck normal tucking is hella ugly.


tucking is ugly, straighten out goddamnit.

[Rudy]

haha i like davids idea

fuck tucking i'll just twist it

[Munks]

You mainly get it in double+ fronts so you don't knock your teeth out!

With double+ backs normal took shows better technique... A triple back with a normal tuck will be fucking immense!

[Flowers]

I still don't see how it's better technique to use a normal tuck tho...


To me, if a technique produces a better result, then that is the superior technique

[thereid]

It depends how it's done imo. Knees pointed out with feet pointed in looks nice, like andrei belousov.The way JL and terrance Harrison do it looks a bit ugly to me(they have their feet and knees out)

[Ryan Murray]

Cowboying is OK for this situation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzygICrsOBo

My technique is from diving: Ideally you keep your toes together but open your knees so you have room for your face should things go awry.

[Flowers]

The cowboy will save your life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0cqRAyAorI

[Rudy]

the onlything cowboy does, imo, is show you can't do it clean and you have to make yourself flat to flip out of your ass

for doubles non-cowboyed tucks show control and comfortableness with the flip

[Skilzat85X]

So...anyone here passed basic physics class? Ahaha.

[Adrian]

The cowboy will save your life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0cqRAyAorI

Or a decent roundoff...

[Kyle McLean]

cowboy

leave space
for your face
just in case



roundoff wont save you.

[Flowers]

the onlything cowboy does, imo, is show you can't do it clean and you have to make yourself flat to flip out of your ass

for doubles non-cowboyed tucks show control and comfortableness with the flip


lol so does a layout haha

edit: but i do understand what you are getting at and I agree with you rudy.

[Torre]

Then let's all go and do double layouts :smile:

[Ryan Murray]

Alright.

[*L-V*]

Sorry for my ignorance, but can someone explain me what's the cowboys position / cowboy tuck ? :eh:

[Flowers]

look at the video of my double back and compare it to ryan murrays pretty much

[Ambitrixterous]

I think it is ugly and less appealing.

this.

[Spectral]

I'm going to take this opportunity to post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXOuSTYIZW8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXOuSTYIZW8

[D.A.]

Why not just do them in invert splits position instead?
ACTUALLY SOMEONE DO THAT OR POST LINK

[The13thAce]

I'd like to see somebody land a double front on plyo without the cowboy

I coached a level 9 girl gymnast last year that got her double front on floor during my time there in a regular tucked position, she had springs in her feet haha, she almost got standing fulls on beam toward the end.

the elite boy gymnast at my current gym can also do a double front on floor in regular tuck from running and, fhs-front full-front layout-double front.


they give seminars in the gymnastics community that delve on that subject, and ultimately they don't really make that much of a difference. the more important thing is getting the appropriate set before entering whatever shape.

my two cents anyway.

[Ewasiuk]

So...anyone here passed basic physics class? Ahaha.

Haha yes I did.

[frankinstine]

Ah... i have a few things to say, but my brain is tired. i'll post more later.

Cowboy is good for certain things, it def can look ugly though.

[Ewasiuk]

Anybody want me to draw a useless diagram as to why the cowboy position makes you flip faster?

[Yuri]

no diagram but I will explain. when you rotate in a flip you rotate around your center of gravity. the speed of your flip will be determined by your initial rotation(set) and the moment of inertia

moment of inertia about your axis of rotation is determined by the displacement of your mass about your center of gravity. the closer more of your mass is to your center of gravity, the less resistance your body provides for rotation. so when you are extended, your body has a greater moment of inertia about your transverse axis.This is why layouts rotate slower than tucks and you have to set more for them

now, the way the human body is shaped, with the legs together, knees to chest is the tightest your tuck can go
however, with the legs spread apart, the knees can now go slightly beyond chest level, thus creating a deeper tuck, a smaller moment of inertia, and a faster rotation.

[Scott]

I'm offended that noone has commented on my masterful title change

[qwerty the asdf]

H = r x mv

m (mass) is constant. also, as long as no outside forces act on an object, H (angular momentum) is constant (and we're talking about mid-air... meaning only outside force would be gravity, which would not have an affect on the system's rotation since it is applied to every point evenly)

so if H and m are constant mid-flight, then decreasing the radius (r) will increase the velocity (v, speed at which you "spin")

cowboy inherently decreases radius on the axis in which you are spinning, therefore a faster spin will occur provided that all else is equal

Edit:and yes. that title change was absolutely appropriate, i've been waiting for it all day.

[Ewasiuk]

no diagram but I will explain. when you rotate in a flip you rotate around your center of gravity. the speed of your flip will be determined by your initial rotation(set) and the moment of inertia

moment of inertia about your axis of rotation is determined by the displacement of your mass about your center of gravity. the closer more of your mass is to your center of gravity, the less resistance your body provides for rotation. so when you are extended, your body has a greater moment of inertia about your transverse axis.This is why layouts rotate slower than tucks and you have to set more for them

now, the way the human body is shaped, with the legs together, knees to chest is the tightest your tuck can go
however, with the legs spread apart, the knees can now go slightly beyond chest level, thus creating a deeper tuck, a smaller moment of inertia, and a faster rotation.

This x90000000000000000000000000000000

I'm offended that noone has commented on my masterful title change

Excellent work :good:

[Skilzat85X]

H = r x mv

m (mass) is constant. also, as long as no outside forces act on an object, H (angular momentum) is constant (and we're talking about mid-air... meaning only outside force would be gravity, which would not have an affect on the system's rotation since it is applied to every point evenly)

so if H and m are constant mid-flight, then decreasing the radius (r) will increase the velocity (v, speed at which you "spin")

cowboy inherently decreases radius on the axis in which you are spinning, therefore a faster spin will occur provided that all else is equal

Edit:and yes. that title change was absolutely appropriate, i've been waiting for it all day.
no diagram but I will explain. when you rotate in a flip you rotate around your center of gravity. the speed of your flip will be determined by your initial rotation(set) and the moment of inertia

moment of inertia about your axis of rotation is determined by the displacement of your mass about your center of gravity. the closer more of your mass is to your center of gravity, the less resistance your body provides for rotation. so when you are extended, your body has a greater moment of inertia about your transverse axis.This is why layouts rotate slower than tucks and you have to set more for them

now, the way the human body is shaped, with the legs together, knees to chest is the tightest your tuck can go
however, with the legs spread apart, the knees can now go slightly beyond chest level, thus creating a deeper tuck, a smaller moment of inertia, and a faster rotation.

Ding ding ding.

The cowboy position is always more effective, that much is certain. But it doesn't look as good. Just because something doesn't look as good though doesn't mean that it's bad or not as useful, as some are trying to say.

This is interesting though; usually in tricks the best and most efficient technique also looks the most visually appealing. But not in the case of this cowboy tucking, so which one is 'better technique': the better looking trick techniques, or the more efficient trick techniques? Or is it a moot point? Hmm?

[BOY ABC]

Cowboy could work for some. Most of the time, it will not I think. Not all of us are/were gymnasts and lack certain qualities and just can't get it to work.

[Munks]

I think we all know why the cowboy position is better technique for gettin the rotation....

But the tuck position shows you have the better technique for take off and everything else, plus showing you have the strength for the height etc.

Exactly why a double straight back is even more amazing, showing even more skill.

[simon]

i watched your double backs yesterday munks.
i lol'd when you landed on your neck/head/feet/knees at the same time.
i had forgotten that you had a landed one on film.

[Flowers]

I'm not sure what most people find aesthetically unappealing about the cowboy, I think it makes your doubles look much cooler, plus you're bound to land them higher and cleaner.


I've always wonder if you did the splits and tucked would that be even faster

[Swartz]

I'm offended that noone has commented on my masterful title change

Well at least I mentioned the idea earlier.

[willbo26]

what the fucks a cowgirl position???

[Swartz]

what the fucks a cowgirl position???

When the female is on top during sexual intercourse. At 15 you should be familiar with the names for sexual positions.

[willbo26]

yer i know the sex position lol but whats the tricking term?

[uFail]

yer i know the sex position lol but whats the tricking term?

You truly are a BYN fan , atleast your IQ matches their standards./facepalm there is no cowgirl term for tricking.

[Source]

the cowboy... plus you're bound to land them higher and cleaner.


Aesthetics is a personal thing so I won't touch that. However.
As has been stated many times in this thread, cowboying is often done because the athlete does not have the required strength, technique or skill to complete the rotation.
The validity of the technique is not in question, its just easier and hence is often less appealing.
Its like the difference between a straddle planche and a straight planche. Sure if you straddle its easier but the point of the skill isn't necessarily the efficiency of the movement.

[TiVo]

I find cowboy stuff to be really lame unless done from twists more than 360 degrees aka corks.

[Swartz]

yer i know the sex position lol but whats the tricking term?

You asked about cowgirl. There is no cowgirl in tricking. It's cowBOY, and it refers to a kind of tucking where you bring your knees far to the outside and up next to your shoulders allowing you to get extra tight.