How many of you guys actually do "proper" fulls?

[thereid]

I'm talking about late twisting. If any of you guys have taken gymnastic/tumbling lessons, or just been eposed to the way coaches teach fulls, you'll know how much they stress twisting late. However, almost every tricker I know of twists off their feet, and I've been noticing more and more trickers and tumblers pull off triple fulls and other hard twisting moves while twisting early.

So I have two main questions

How many of you actually twist the way gymnasts prefer(late)?

and do you think it's actually important, or significantly better than early twisting?

[dpitlock]

i can, but i dont want to.

[Flowers]

IMO early twisting helps put your body in a slightly off axis position making s/t and such easier.

IE: It's easier to do a cart full s/t flash than a round off flash s/t flash

[JiayoJames]

I prefer tricker fulls.

[Skilzat85X]

It's not better or worse (from a general standpoint), it just has a different usage. It's like comparing a full to a b-twist (which most 'tricker fulls' are in reality), they're not better or worse, they're both better for different effects.

[TKD_Andy]

i like to think that trickers are training to be able to do it on any surface, however gymnasts are only training to do it on plyo, therefore theyre always gonna have more air time so can afford to twist later.

Plus aesthetically it looks better to wait, twist, wait, land rather than just twist straight away.

You have to understand that the majority of trickers wont have had formal gymnastic training or had access to equipment where they can safely learn to twist late.

[Skippy]

Why not learn both ^.^

[Cory]

i can, but i dont want to.

this.

[n3m3s1s]

I twist late. Gymnast fulls ftw:good:

[Skilzat85X]

You have to understand that the majority of trickers wont have had formal gymnastic training or had access to equipment where they can safely learn to twist late.

I learned the gymnastic full on grass by myself lol.

[Andy R]

i can do both.

[*L-V*]

I can't :dead:

I can cart_sidefull almost totally inverted, but standing full are at 45° only...

[Ambitrixterous]

The "proper" form of a full you're speaking of is only a misconception, it is a stylistic preference that fits on movements with smaller amounts of twist (single full or double full.) As you progress to triple or maybe someday quad (which I believe is the record) you will begin to need to twist right off the ground, even if you're in regular gymnastics.

The reason so many gymnastics coaches & teachers in general stress twisting late is so that the student does not twist instead of 'setting.' By waiting until later in your twist, you have effectively completed the necessary portion of the movement before you add in the new portion. Once you become accustomed to performing flip and twist simultaneously, your skill at choosing your timing becomes greater and you learn to be able to twist right off the ground with no repercussions.

About level of inversion with relation to twisting time:
Without significant extra force put into the flip in comparison to the non-twisting version vs the same move with a twist, putting effort into the twist earlier seems to have the effect of leveling out your body positioning. Like Flowers mentioned, those with greater experience in horizontally positioned tricks will gain all the benefits of familiarity from this adaptation. For anyone who may have greater skill in inverted forms, the 'late twist' (or rather full inversion) will be more helpful in their recognition of similar movements including swinghthru.

[*L-V*]

Thanks for these clarification Dan!

[[RozoN]]

I've heard that a gymnastic full has it's advantage when doing long tumbling passes. Say: r/o -> bhs ->full->full-> etc. It basically makes the second full easier to execute and easier to position yourself correctly for the next flip/twist, compared to the "tricker full"...