Who here wants to be the best?

[Skippy]

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who is actually training in the hope of someday becoming the worlds best at tricking?

Personally, I am not =] But I am ofcourse wanting to get to the best I can be, or at least a level I am satisfied with.

I'm just curious, I don't think training to be the best is a bad or unrealistic goal for anyone (even noobs can randomly pop up one day and take over, just look at Ott haha) and just wonder if anyone here wants to be.

[TiVo]

Nah.

[AsoBit]

lol no

[AdamSwaluk]

Yes.

Wait for it...wait for it...waaaait for it........................

[Hite]

I'm pretty competitive so YES!

It's really hard to pinpoint who THE best is.. so it's not my goal or focus in tricking.

[Origional]

my competitive nature says yes... but my genetics say no.


damn, genetics win again

[Andy Longcat]

I'm already the world's best.

Sucka's best start wreck-onizin'

[Origional]

Everyone wants to be the best. Its programmed into our human bodies. Saying you want to be anything else is like saying you dont want to hook up with the hottest chick at the party - of course you want to tap that! Now setting realistic goals are important (your a 200lb tub of lard who doesnt know the difference between a fruit and a vegetable - you should consider yourself lucky to get anything but your hand - and regardless you will still be thinking about her the whole time) and should not be overlooked. Dreams and goals are very different and should be regarded as such.

[VietMan04]

people who think they are the best generally suck. see Lil Wayne and ATA for example. best to keep yourself realistic, and if you happen to turn out really good, then fine.

[Kyle McLean]

i wouldnt say im training to be the best. but if one day i got to be the best that sure would be neat.

[Yuri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qae_TUTeGo

[Yuri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kD7nTeDdrs&feature=related

[Badams]

hahah o god! those r good.

[Origional]

9kD7nTeDdrs
Hahaha, the guy with the red belt looks like the guy who teaches iron penis.

[Yuri]

hahaha good catch, they do look alike

the big titty guy is yang sze(spelling?)

he was also in enter the dragon and chinese hercules. the martial art he practices is tai chi


on another note,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-pIwA-E-UY

[Nathan.P.]

I never got the point in trying to be the best....especially when your so far away like me.

...no

[gabrielb]

i only wanted to be recognized for my skills by people i looked up to. that purely the only kinda recognition i want in tricking..otherwise its purely for self improvement.

[Ryan Murray]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHeev3V49n4

Only the first line applies I guess, but whenever someone wants to be the best, this is the first song to come to mind.

I KNOW IT'S MY DESTINYYYY

[simon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHeev3V49n4

Only the first line applies I guess, but whenever someone wants to be the best, this is the first song to come to mind.

I KNOW IT'S MY DESTINYYYY
DAMN RYAN MURRAY I WAS ABOUT TO POST THAT!
YOU ARE STILL A HERO.

[Torre]

Not me. As it has already been said, I try to look at things realistically and if I'll ever get a bit better than mediocre, I'll be a happy man.

[karatekid]

I probably won't be the best, but I sure want to be and I will keep trying.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOdWxf1tRmI

[.kiz]

i wanna be the very best,
like no one ever wasssss

DUN DUN DUN DUN

to catch them is my real test,
To train them is my cause

DUN DUN DUN

i will travel across the land,
searching far and wide,

DUN DUN DUN DUN

its pokemon, to understand,
THE POWER THATS INSIDE

POKEMON GOTTA CATCH EM ALL
(its you and me)
YOU KNOW ITS MY DESTINY POKEMON
ohh your my best friend, in a world we must defend

POKEMON OUR HEARTS SO TRUUUUUEEEEE
OUR COURAGE WILL PULL US THROUGH
you teach me and i'll teach you
POOOKKKKEEEEEMMMOOOONNNN
gotta catch em all, gotta catch em all
POKEMON!!!!!

in response, i want to be as good as i can

[Andy R]

yes me

[Anubis]

Personally, I am not =] But I am ofcourse wanting to get to the best I can be, or at least a level I am satisfied with.

even in saying this, you must understand that there are people who do want to be the best. and with them training that hard, and people constantly pushing the sport, your perception of yourself is going to change as the sport does - cause we all train off of each other.

so youre competing whether you like it or not. just quit the bs, and trick to be the best.

[*L-V*]

Of course I want to be seen as one the best tricker out of there! This is one of my biggest motivation!! :wicked:

[Fin]

Everyone wants to be the best. Its programmed into our human bodies. Saying you want to be anything else is like saying you dont want to hook up with the hottest chick at the party - of course you want to tap that! Now setting realistic goals are important (your a 200lb tub of lard who doesnt know the difference between a fruit and a vegetable - you should consider yourself lucky to get anything but your hand - and regardless you will still be thinking about her the whole time) and should not be overlooked. Dreams and goals are very different and should be regarded as such.

People want to be the best, but best is subjective, a jungle tribesman exposed to football, is't going to want to be the best.

Personally I enjoyed tricking, I hope once the weather clears up to get back in into it again.

But I have no intention to be the best, even if I was, I can't really see that as something that would satisfy me. Plus it would tie up a hell of alot of my life, my diet would have to change, in order to be the best my whole lifestyle would have to change.

I have other projects, ongoing in my life which I want to attend to and I hope to do VERY WELL with them.

Participating in something, knowing about something, does not mean you want to be any good at it.

[carney]

I want to be the BEST i can BE!

I don't care if i start teaching someone who progressed further than me! Its all about my goals and testing my own limits! This way i progress heaps further and nothing clouds my mind!

I know heaps of guys who have lost the true meaning to tricking by getting highly skilled but by just trying to get a big reputation to themselves and putting themselves higher than there fellow trickers... And its sad i feel sorry for them!

[OpenxEyedxBeast]

I don't know what I would do if I were to acquire such importance. The best I can be yes, the best in the world? I'm not really itching for it.

[AndyD11]

As Kyle said, I'm not training solely for the reason i want to be the best in the slightest. I'm training because it's freaking awesome fun but yes becoming the best eventually definately is one of my goals.
I mean as i progress and learn new things everything just gets even more fun and awesome.
Being at say Anis's/prodigy etc level i can't even imagine the fun, the feeling mid combo of doing all the kinda combo's and tricks they can do would be so sick.
I don't intend to stop tricking until i physically can't anymore (i.e. my body prevents me completely) and when i train, i trick not only for fun but because i wanna learn new tricks and try new stuff that i haven't before.
So yea i want to be the best but not for the title but because imagine how much freaking awesome amounts of fun you could have. Having a larger and larger tricks list only means more and more variations and combo's available to try, experiment with and enjoy.

[D.A.]

so youre competing whether you like it or not. just quit the bs, and trick to be the best.

who are you again?

[Origional]

People want to be the best, but best is subjective, a jungle tribesman exposed to football, is't going to want to be the best.


First off, objective is deffinative, meaning it is objective!!!!

Why wouldn't the tribesman want to be the best? Of course he wants to be the best! The instincts I am talking about are primal and are no different then your mind telling your heart to beat (both are subconscious instincts that have evolved over millions of years that you need to survive). I am talking about fight or flight, alpha male dominance and weading out the weak. In fact, in almost all eukaryotic organisms the ability(opertunity) to reproduce is directly influenced by whether or not you are the best (alpha male gets the pussy). This is how your girlfriend and your college chose you (or didnt choose you) and how O.J. can get away with murder.

Almost everyone in this thread has talked about their reasons for tricking. While these may hold signifagant value to you, they are beyond the point and not dirrectly related to the question. He asked a yes or no question and the answer for every single one of you should be yes.

[Hez]

i want to make a cool video :tongue:

[Skilzat85X]

Ever since I've been injured for a while I stopped wanting to try to one day be the best, heck I've stopped wanting to even be good one day lol. Stinks but whatever.

[Skippy]

Aha yes hez, I would like to make a video people loved and remembered, like how cepopeye did with cepopeye 8, or juji did with any of his videos =p

[Hite]

Aha yes hez, I would like to make a video people loved and remembered, like how cepopeye did with cepopeye 8, or juji did with any of his videos =p

I've been watching Jan's sampler like non stop for the past couple of days! It is so GOOD!!

[Skilzat85X]

First off, objective is deffinative, meaning it is objective!!!!

Why wouldn't the tribesman want to be the best? Of course he wants to be the best! The instincts I am talking about are primal and are no different then your mind telling your heart to beat (both are subconscious instincts that have evolved over millions of years that you need to survive). I am talking about fight or flight, alpha male dominance and weading out the weak. In fact, in almost all eukaryotic organisms the ability(opertunity) to reproduce is directly influenced by whether or not you are the best (alpha male gets the pussy). This is how your girlfriend and your college chose you (or didnt choose you) and how O.J. can get away with murder.

Almost everyone in this thread has talked about their reasons for tricking. While these may hold signifagant value to you, they are beyond the point and not dirrectly related to the question. He asked a yes or no question and the answer for every single one of you should be yes.
Well ok I don't know what to make of this post, since it shouts lots of supposed scientific knowledge, but misspells the words definitive, weeding, opportunity, significant, and directly ahaha.

Anyways, you're making a huge misapplication of principles observed in nature.
First of all, your mind does not tell your heart to beat. Your brain makes your heart beat without any thought whatsoever, and it's been doing it since you were a fetus.
Second, alpha male dominance has nothing to do with fight or flight. "Fight or flight" is an instinctual reaction, usually upon the release of epinephrine in the body, among other things.
Third of all, not all species matings habits are dependent on the dominance of an alpha male.
Fourth of all, "weeding out the weak" also isn't only part of alpha male systems, and it also wasn't thought up by these animals to try to get rid of the weak (since it was obviously was in place millions of years before intelligent organisms appeared), it's just a coincidental and beneficial effect for this happening in nature. It's not like these 'tribes' of animals sat down one day and thought up the alpha male system, haha.
Fifth of all, we're humans, and just because we're close genetically to primates does not mean that we follow the alpha male system in our society, and it also doesn't mean that even if that was a common mating structure today that one being the alpha male would be dependent on their genetic "strength"; as opposed to animals in which them appearing "stronger" subjectively to other animals is dependent on their genetics since their actions are instinctual and not sentient.

Sixth of all, basically what I'm trying to say is that was not only a horribly bsing inaccurate post, but it also made a misapplication of a million ecological principles ahah.

[Anima]

even in saying this, you must understand that there are people who do want to be the best. and with them training that hard, and people constantly pushing the sport, your perception of yourself is going to change as the sport does - cause we all train off of each other.

so youre competing whether you like it or not. just quit the bs, and trick to be the best.

Haha I don't see why other people landing tripple corks or what ever will change the perspective of myself. I don't really train off other people to be honest haha. I have a few moves that I want to get, and don't really care about what other people get (I don't care in the sence that I want to land tripple corks or what ever haha, not I don't care about seeing it.)

Also, as Hez has said I to want to make an awesome video. That is pretty much my ultamate goal in Tricking haha.

[Ernest]

Well ok I don't know what to make of this post, since it shouts lots of supposed scientific knowledge, but misspells the words definitive, weeding, opportunity, significant, and directly ahaha.

Anyways, you're making a huge misapplication of principles observed in nature.
First of all, your mind does not tell your heart to beat. Your brain makes your heart beat without any thought whatsoever, and it's been doing it since you were a fetus.
Second, alpha male dominance has nothing to do with fight or flight. "Fight or flight" is an instinctual reaction, usually upon the release of epinephrine in the body, among other things.
Third of all, not all species matings habits are dependent on the dominance of an alpha male.
Fourth of all, "weeding out the weak" also isn't only part of alpha male systems, and it also wasn't thought up by these animals to try to get rid of the weak (since it was obviously was in place millions of years before intelligent organisms appeared), it's just a coincidental and beneficial effect for this happening in nature. It's not like these 'tribes' of animals sat down one day and thought up the alpha male system, haha.
Fifth of all, we're humans, and just because we're close genetically to primates does not mean that we follow the alpha male system in our society, and it also doesn't mean that even if that was a common mating structure today that one being the alpha male would be dependent on their genetic "strength"; as opposed to animals in which them appearing "stronger" subjectively to other animals is dependent on their genetics since their actions are instinctual and not sentient.

Sixth of all, basically what I'm trying to say is that was not only a horribly bsing inaccurate post, but it also made a misapplication of a million ecological principles ahah.

And just what do you call this skilzat? I now doubt the validity of your knowledge!

[Skilzat85X]

That's right! You heard me suckas!

[AsoBit]

I want to be the best at having fun.

[thereid]

Haha I don't see why other people landing tripple corks or what ever will change the perspective of myself. I don't really train off other people to be honest haha. I have a few moves that I want to get, and don't really care about what other people get (I don't care in the sence that I want to land tripple corks or what ever haha, not I don't care about seeing it.)

Also, as Hez has said I to want to make an awesome video. That is pretty much my ultamate goal in Tricking haha.
I see Anubis' point, when I first started tricking I thought Tony Jaa was world class, I set out to learn front flips, back flips, websters, gainers, twist rounds, cheat 7's, 540's, etc...
Then I realized that tricking-wise, he is about average. As I got more familier with tricking, my paradyme began to change, as young teens having double ABC's and becomes more normal, I see cheer tumblers doing insane combos and throwing d fulls at the end of every tumble is the norm, when a few yrs ago I found d fulls alone impressive.
As this paradyme shift happens I don't think you can help but hold your own abilities on a higher standard. Which, in nature means we are competing, or want to/wish we could compete with the better trickers, the people that say they're not hoping to become as skillful as the best trickers, are the ones who doubt their ability to do so(but they still wish they could imo).

[Jon P]

even in saying this, you must understand that there are people who do want to be the best. and with them training that hard, and people constantly pushing the sport, your perception of yourself is going to change as the sport does - cause we all train off of each other.

so youre competing whether you like it or not. just quit the bs, and trick to be the best.

Not entirely true.
I couldn't care less about all that nowadays.
When I do tricks now, it is purely out of fun. If I try a new trick [or whatever] it is because I think it looks cool / fun--not to be better than anyone haha.
I suppose 4 years ago, I thought that way though.

[Anima]

I see Anubis' point, when I first started tricking I thought Tony Jaa was world class, I set out to learn front flips, back flips, websters, gainers, twist rounds, cheat 7's, 540's, etc...
Then I realized that tricking-wise, he is about average. As I got more familier with tricking, my paradyme began to change, as young teens having double ABC's and becomes more normal, I see cheer tumblers doing insane combos and throwing d fulls at the end of every tumble is the norm, when a few yrs ago I found d fulls alone impressive.
As this paradyme shift happens I don't think you can help but hold your own abilities on a higher standard. Which, in nature means we are competing, or want to/wish we could compete with the better trickers, the people that say they're not hoping to become as skillful as the best trickers, are the ones who doubt their ability to do so(but they still wish they could imo).

Yeah but I don't think these insanely hard moves are that impressive haha. I really don't care if people are landing double abcs etc, my tricking goles are pretty much the same as they were when I began back in '05. I doubt they will change.

Also, I'm really not saying I don't want the moves or secretly I want to be the best Trickster haha. I guess in the begining I probably wanted to, but I realised that I probably wont, so stoped caring about trying to be the best and started having fun Tricking.

[Fin]

First off, objective is deffinative, meaning it is objective!!!!

Why wouldn't the tribesman want to be the best? Of course he wants to be the best! The instincts I am talking about are primal and are no different then your mind telling your heart to beat (both are subconscious instincts that have evolved over millions of years that you need to survive). I am talking about fight or flight, alpha male dominance and weading out the weak. In fact, in almost all eukaryotic organisms the ability(opertunity) to reproduce is directly influenced by whether or not you are the best (alpha male gets the pussy). This is how your girlfriend and your college chose you (or didnt choose you) and how O.J. can get away with murder.

Almost everyone in this thread has talked about their reasons for tricking. While these may hold signifagant value to you, they are beyond the point and not dirrectly related to the question. He asked a yes or no question and the answer for every single one of you should be yes.


Firstly we do seek to be alpha's. But the behaviour of the need "to be the best" IS NOT AN ALPHA trait.

That is a highly re-active trait to have, if you want to measure yourself by OTHER peoples standards, that shows that others hold sway over you.

If you are the alpha male, your top dog and where others are shouldn't matter to you unless it directly affects you.

Secondly tricking is a re-creational sport, so survival wise your over using alpha male theory. Which in itself is like most psychological theories theoretical rather than inductively or deductively proven.

Have you played golf..... I've played golf, again and again, yet I have NO intention to become good at it.


If you are an alpha male YOU have to make the decisions on what is important in your life, where you want it to head.

Juji doesn't decide that, Skilzat doesn't decide that I don't decide that.

YOU have to pick who is important in your life, who you will take care of, what you will work on in your life.

The second you let other males who you don't know hold more sway over those decisions than you do.... congradulations, join the beta males, feel free to take care of the my women and children; while me and my boys go out hunting ;)

Admittedly in contemporary society it wouldn't be "hunting" so replace it with "go trick" if you want.

PLEASE PLEASE.. don't tell me you got that definition from MM or "the game."

[Anubis]

Not entirely true.
I couldn't care less about all that nowadays.
When I do tricks now, it is purely out of fun. If I try a new trick [or whatever] it is because I think it looks cool / fun--not to be better than anyone haha.
I suppose 4 years ago, I thought that way though.

that's because youre not training jon. you dont train anymore, you just trick. when you train, your disposition becomes much different.

[Shear]

I see it sort of like this,

If you spend all your time tricking and enjoying the sport, you will not be the best but you will be happy.

If you spend all of your time training the sport in the most efficient way for progression, you will probably not be happy as it could become like a job, but you will be very skillful in the long run.

I think everyone needs a healthy mix of both.

[eddy wang]

i trick be cause i like, now trick to be the best?
Hmm... number 1? I prefer number 3.

[Skippy]

that's because youre not training jon. you dont train anymore, you just trick. when you train, your disposition becomes much different.

Ok, change of thread title then, who is tricking to be the best. I used to think you may be sesh too but sesh would not make posts as retarded as both of your in this thread hoho.

[Skilzat85X]

He's right though actually.

There's nothing wrong with not training either.

[Skippy]

I mainly didn't like his first post, about how we trick off eachother and we're all tricking to be the best. Who am I tricking off of haha? I train by myself 99% of the time, and I'm not competing with anyone or trying to (apart from kalvin due to me battling him soon), I hate tricking in front of anyone, and although I do still tell some people about how my progress is going it's not for props or anything it's just to keep them updated.

I am tricking to get better though, and to be the best I can be, I have no desire to be the best in the world though. Although it'd be nice, I am personally tricking 100% for myself.

[BrandonLenz]

Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who is actually training in the hope of someday becoming the worlds best at tricking?

Personally, I am not =] But I am ofcourse wanting to get to the best I can be, or at least a level I am satisfied with.

I'm just curious, I don't think training to be the best is a bad or unrealistic goal for anyone (even noobs can randomly pop up one day and take over, just look at Ott haha) and just wonder if anyone here wants to be.

it would be nice to be the best, or even one of the top, but i think its fairly unrealistic, since i'm just starting at the age of 16, with only martial arts experience.

[Skilzat85X]

I mainly didn't like his first post, about how we trick off eachother and we're all tricking to be the best. Who am I tricking off of haha? I train by myself 99% of the time, and I'm not competing with anyone or trying to (apart from kalvin due to me battling him soon), I hate tricking in front of anyone, and although I do still tell some people about how my progress is going it's not for props or anything it's just to keep them updated.

I am tricking to get better though, and to be the best I can be, I have no desire to be the best in the world though. Although it'd be nice, I am personally tricking 100% for myself.

Conversely one could argue that someone tricking to be the best is doing it just for themselves to, to make themselves satisfied and feel good, etc. ahah silly me

[Skippy]

Ahhh a different kind of for yourself but basically yeah I guess. I'm not trying to make a big point of how I trick or nothing haha, but others levels do not bother me with my own tricking, someone who wanted to be the best though would be bothered if someone got better than them.

YouknowwhatImeandamnitSkilz. I'm not trying to argue it or nothing, just saying haha.

Although on a more note of the actual thread, do you trick just for fun Skilz?

[Skilzat85X]

Nope! Unfortunately not. Well, nowadays I don't trick at all unfortunately :agony: but when I do most of the time it's for training purposes, which is weird since I've given up on being reasonably good, but regardless having fun is a nice side effect :smile:.

[Anubis]

Ok, change of thread title then, who is tricking to be the best. I used to think you may be sesh too but sesh would not make posts as retarded as both of your in this thread hoho.

i've said it countless times before, i am not sesshoumaru. it may sound like it, but that's because i quote him all the time. just too lazy to tell you that this is original information from sessh

[dpitlock]

id like to be consdered one of the best.

[Dave C]

i've said it countless times before, i am not sesshoumaru. it may sound like it, but that's because i quote him all the time. just too lazy to tell you that this is original information from sessh

haha stop that

we should all train (and do everything else in our lives, for that matter) in an attempt to be the best.

[[RozoN]]

I started tricking to be able to entertain and impress myself and my friends. To this day, it haven't changed, even though my friend circle and my views have changed.

And yeah, I guess I would like to be the best, even though that's not my main drive. Who doesn't? I mean, if you have a hobby, you'll always have a goal with it. And that goal will always be to improve progress and become one of the best. Being mediocre is not a good goal, you won't achieve anything if you're going to tell yourself that you'll settle for mediocre. It's psychological - if you want to progress you can't settle for mediocre

Edit: Dave C said it haha.

[KeithJames]

i love tricking...for the self-expression in it and for the pure joy and fun i have whille tricking.......im not at a year yet but proud of the fact in what all ive learned and will keep learning so i do want to be really good soon/someday ;D HINT.......MY NEW SAMPLER COMING OUT TOMORROW NIGHT!!! :d with some cool shiiiat

[BrandonLenz]

id like to be consdered one of the best.

Shutup, you landed a Cali-Roll

[Ryan Murray]

The only person I ever talked to who really wanted to be the best was Art MD.

As you can see, it actually makes you the best.

[Safari]

I dunno.. I trick too become awesome. It's impossible to be the best since people have different taste in tricks and style. Personally I think Sessh is the best, but then Shaolin.dk(for example) likes timpa more. Soo tricking to be the best would be useless. Training to improve yourself:good:

I want to be good one day and doing stuff people can't etc. but I guess most people do.

[Surge!]

I'm sure we'd all like to be, but there is always someone better.

[Theme]

I started because it looked good
Continued because it felt good
And won't stop until it stops feeling good or kills me.

I don't trick to become best. it would be unrealistic.

[stefano]

Im not training to be the best, but also yes i would like to be the best.
Im just training for fun and shizzle.

[NoMore]

im training to be the best I can be, if the best i can be is a tornado, then thats it

but i think i can do more :)

[Fin]

Debate Bait for skilzat:

Technically we do work on a concept of alpha male and beta male, it's pretty muhc an assummed order, their will be those with power and those without.

Generally speaking we do have alpha males and beta males, it's just the way this is communicated and what we classify as an alpha male/beta male has changed.

[Skilzat85X]

Debate Bait for skilzat:

Technically we do work on a concept of alpha male and beta male, it's pretty muhc an assummed order, their will be those with power and those without.

Generally speaking we do have alpha males and beta males, it's just the way this is communicated and what we classify as an alpha male/beta male has changed.
Yes, not only that but what makes one an alpha male is relative to each individual, which basically defeats the purpose of his, "alphaness".

[Fin]

Yes, not only that but what makes one an alpha male is relative to each individual, which basically defeats the purpose of his, "alphaness".

Thats debatable. An alpha male is strictly someone with authority of power. Often from the outside it is relative, example kenny is more alpha than bob.

Alphaness comes in many forms, social connections, finance, expertise.

Ultimatly if someone doesn't respect your form of alphaness, their are two options.

A: That person has something wrong with them and is unable to identify authority.

B: The "alpha" isn't really alpha as he is unabe to demonstrate his authority or the other person has outweighed him with regards to power and "alpha" status.

[Anima]

As I someone has already said, it would actually be impossible to be the best. Deppending on what you consider the best to be.

Some people consider 100% Compleate in the little Sessh Trick list or what ever haha. Some people consider uber clean-ness to be the deciding thing for who the best Trickster would be. Some people would even just base their opinion on style.