*** Point for kAcks!*** (New combo)

[Rudy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IyVRnqpiNA

vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/3689977)


POINT!

[Bozzy]

+1 <3

[dpitlock]

boom shakalaka

[constantine]

<3 Rudy

[TONE TONE]

nice rudy!!! was that Dave C yelling i hate you in the backround?

[David M.]

fuckk youuu fuckk youu!

haha you're the best rudy *big smile*

[Alexx]

wrap twist sickkkk

[Rudy]

nice rudy!!! was that Dave C yelling i hate you in the backround?

hahaha noo it was cory. Dave hasn't seen this yet :wicked:

[nightak]

you win rudy :D

[Safari]

You disgust me.. You're to good at those w/t's man! this one looked cool, but Abit more flow and cleaness:wink: apart from that, this is sick.

[k-slash]

holy fucking shit!

My goal today is to try hook w/t fulls so this will definately inspire mw!

SO GOOD.

[n3m3s1s]

whattttttttt? :punched:

[Cicero]

hook > hyper tak9?
:O

[David M.]

hook > hyper tak9?
:O

tak 9 is a cheat9 + front tuck hybrid.

i think this is a hook > missleg (wrapthru) hyper full.

[Leonardo]

tak 9 is a cheat9 + front tuck hybrid.

i think this is a hook > missleg (wrapthru) hyper full.

I agree.......... and it looked hella awesome Rudy!!!!!

[Jon P]

so wouldn't a hook ct cheat 720 twist pretty much be a hook wt double full?

[Cicero]

I dunno, looks like a hyper Tak9 to me. If Rudy manages to get that kick out there just a bit more it'll be stupendous.

[TiVo]

Well Tak anything is taken off of two feet from a cheat setup. His hook leg never touched the ground until after the landing so it's not a tak.

[Jon P]

Well Tak anything is taken off of two feet from a cheat setup. His hook leg never touched the ground until after the landing so it's not a tak.

Tak 9 takes off one leg...just like any other cheat trick.
http://www.club540.com/trick/tak-9

[gabrielb]

lol i dont even know wtf that was. ill just read the debates til 90% of the people agree on it.

[Jon P]

lol i dont even know wtf that was. ill just read the debates til 90% of the people agree on it.

it is what he said it was...a hook wt hyper full.
it's just that it is getting to the point that trickers are getting so technical that tricks are colliding with other tricks haha.

[xombi]

Looked stupid haha

Super technical or not some moves just lose their attraction sometimes...

EDIT:idk propably with hard work it could look something

[Peter =)]

omg this is so sick :O
haha rudy where did u get teddys and tottes shorts from xD

[Rudy]

cory has a pair and i was wearing them...i want a pair tho...where can i get some??

[McGriddle]

I would never even think of that from a hook....

[Cory]

"I hate you!" hahahhaha <3

[MikeMaguire]

Kacks= 2
everyone else = 0

[peterh]

GOD
DAMN

WELL
DONE

[A_Wilhelm]

man you're sooo excellent!

[Rudy]

Kacks= 2
everyone else = 0

more like


Kacks= 7
everyone else= 0


::edit::
THANKS EVERYONE!!!! Thanks for the kind words!

[TiVo]

Tak 9 takes off one leg...just like any other cheat trick.
http://www.club540.com/trick/tak-9

Woops right you are lol. Ignore what i said. Blah.

[brandonn]

this is impossible rudy wtf

[ninjohn22]

You my friend are a true Rapper :smile:

[Ambitrixterous]

Haha sick Rudy! Definitely pushing the wrap biz, congrats!

About Wrapthru Vs. Tak Vs. Cheat twist:
These are all separate movements, and they have pretty easily distinguishable traits if you look in the right place...

"Tak9"
This is a single trick, and has its evolved forms (can be hypered or +180 spin w/hook) but really only exists entirely by itself (i.e. if you transition INTO a tak9 other than with the whole move, it is no longer a tak9, read further) Tak 9 is the use of cheat takeoff, but into a horizontal trick where you leave the ground chest facing downwards, like a Btwist. Add round kick upon landing.

"Wrapthru full" and "Wrapthru twist"
Now these are basically the same move but exist on separate planes. Wrap "full" is the inverted form, and in actuality becomes a 1 leg takeoff into a front flip (full flip) + 180 twist (would be Atwist if it were the other leg in relation to direction of spin.) Wrap "twist" is the horizontal form, and is the same order in legs takeoff exactly like the tak 9 except that the first leg never touched the ground at all (the big point here is that wrapthru is a transition, similar to how Btwist swingthru flash would never quite be a regular flash). Wrapthru twist also has the chest facing downwards like a Btwist, and hence if you were to add a round kick upon landing you would end up with "*trick* wrapthru twist round"

"Cheat 720twist"
This one is pretty different. Although this move also involves the application of cheat takeoff into a horizontal trick, the big change is that the chest is facing upwards, like a corkscrew. This trick not only has more actual work, but feels nothing like the other two.

Summary:
So you could do a trick in which both feet land, for example Btwist > tak9 and keep the name "tak9" but you couldn't transition through without setting that leg down or it would be called "wrapthru twist round." This really has more to do with the fact that nicknames only apply to certain moves. You wouldn't call a hypertwist hook a Btwist boxcutter, would you?


Rudy's move: hook > w/t > hyper twist

[Rudy]

thanks dan!!

[Tatsumaru]

Haha, that's insanely nice!

[dpitlock]

We have alot of points! Kyle got a bunch and I got like 5 points for the kack roll. We need six more points to get the big stuffed animal!

[Rudy]

i'll see what i can do dan!

[SinBad]

wtf.

Now, if you could hyper hook that, it would be even more insane :dead:

[Butteroll]

asssahhh
great stuff rudy. this just pushes insane combos even harder.

[Vaughnya]

sickness Rudy! much <3

how does this point system work? if you land a new trick then its a point?

[Rudy]

yep i believe so

and as difficulty increases points awarded are increased lol

[fullvernian]

that was retarded

awesome Rudy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[brandonn]

this...is too...difficult...cannot....comprehend...


*my brain asplodez*

[Kalvin]

ahhhh rudyy <3 that was sick :D now lets see, cork > hook w/t hyperfull hook = )

[Snoski]

Bad hook misleg sideswipe? lol
it was pretty cool though. depends on how you look at it

[Vaughnya]

Bad hook misleg sideswipe? lol
it was pretty cool though. depends on how you look at it

sideswipe? you dumb son, you can clearly see the twist. like dan said, its a hook w/t hyper twist. that shit is impressive!

[Snoski]

Well now, let's not get insulting or anything. It takes off the right from the righ leg, lands on the right leg and twists as much. The difference is the same as in a hypertwist and twistswipe [btwist round hyper] really, ie. the difference is there but merely trivial in my eyes.

Point being, I'm not claiming that either term is wrong, just reminding there are people out there who does it and does it better (for as you know, hook ct/mleg sideswipe is not that uncommon and to do that without the actual swipe wouldn't certainly be a problem). At max he might be taking off 'bout 90 degrees earlier than your typical mleg sideswipe but I reall don't know about "history being made"...

Note that I'm not disapproving with anyone, disrespecting anyone or being otherwise 'offensive' in any manner. I'm just putting it out there ya know, couldn't care less about whatever you have to say, so please let's just leave it here. The trick is still impressive indeed.

[Jon P]

sideswipe? you dumb son, you can clearly see the twist. like dan said, its a hook w/t hyper twist. that shit is impressive!


I find this so wrong but I don't want to debate about it because it is pointless.
Just like this [my] post. haha :smile:

[Vaughnya]

dont mean to harsh Snoski, its all good.

its true that the tricks and transitions these days are getting more and more wild and harder to name but its all gravy. there isn't one right answer because theres not a fact-book about tricking thats set in stone. call the trick what you want

[Ambitrixterous]

I find this so wrong but I don't want to debate about it because it is pointless.
Just like this [my] post. haha :smile:

Then by all means PM me and I can explain it further, so that we can both keep this thread on topic and help clear it up to you

Well now, let's not get insulting or anything. It takes off the right from the righ leg, lands on the right leg and twists as much. The difference is the same as in a hypertwist and twistswipe [btwist round hyper] really, ie. the difference is there but merely trivial in my eyes.

Saying that this is a "carrythru sideswipe" is like saying that a cork is a "carrythru Btwist," sure you can stretch it there, but for everyone who can do both a cork and a Btwist we all know they are very different moves with different looks (this even looks like a twist) and a different feel to them. The italics in my last post stress the real difference; any raiz variation you leave the ground chest facing upwards (like a cork) vs. wrapthru twist you leave the ground chest facing downwards (like a Btwist)

[tricker383]

Went outside quickly and pulled these
um they are all slightly differnt, I personally think the 1st or 2nd is more like it but its up too you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_Kc0Bpo48

LOVE YOU RUDY :P

I know the hook isnt acactly a hook but its the basic movment lol

[Rudy]

Went outside quickly and pulled these
um they are all slightly differnt, I personally think the 1st or 2nd is more like it but its up too you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_Kc0Bpo48

LOVE YOU RUDY :P

I know the hook isnt acactly a hook but its the basic movment lol

SOOO GOOD!!!! HELLA GOOD C/T SIDESWIPES!!!

[Ambitrixterous]

Went outside quickly and pulled these
um they are all slightly differnt, I personally think the 1st or 2nd is more like it but its up too you
LOVE YOU RUDY :P

I know the hook isnt acactly a hook but its the basic movment lol

Now that IS a carrythru sideswipe! Nice work, but you're gonna want to start w/wrapthru fulls or twists to match what Rudy has done :good:

[Jon P]

Then by all means PM me and I can explain it further, so that we can both keep this thread on topic and help clear it up to you




There is no need. I read your point of view and I disagree.
No one is taking it off topic...everyone is still talking about this trick. haha.

wt twist would be implying it is a wt btwist.
which is wrong for obvious reasons [there is no bkick set in it at all, mainly].
anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
but it is just that, opinion.
good day to you sir. :smile:

edit: i don't mind that you are trying to name this trick but i don't agree with calling it a wt twist. it is just an attempt at a hook wt hyper full. just like if I did roundkick st cork but didn't get the cork inverted / horizontal and tried to pass it off as an entirely different trick. doesn't seem quite logical, but call it what you want. at the end of the day tricking semantics are all a matter of opinion.

[tricker383]

well its something and litrally i just went outside and tried it for shits and giggles prehaps next gym session or something :)

[anerky]

Tricker383's w/t sideswipes were great for showing how different Rudy's w/t hypertwist is. I originally had to agree with Snoski. Now I see that Rudy definitely starts his twist while facing the ground, something that wouldn't ever happen in a sideswipe. w/t twist seems like a good name for it

Very good effort too, Tricker383, that was good spontaneous tricking

[Ambitrixterous]

wt twist would be implying it is a wt btwist.
which is wrong for obvious reasons [there is no bkick set in it at all, mainly].
anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
but it is just that, opinion.
good day to you sir. :smile:


Actually, that is "just your opinion." Nobody is implying that there exists a "B" in a "cheat 720twist," we only use the word "twist" to indicate the trick being horizontal. Otherwise I would have said "wrapthru Btwist"


i don't mind that you are trying to name this trick but i don't agree with calling it a wt twist. it is just an attempt at a hook wt hyper full. just like if I did roundkick st cork but didn't get the cork inverted / horizontal and tried to pass it off as an entirely different trick. doesn't seem quite logical, but call it what you want. at the end of the day tricking semantics are all a matter of opinion.


Hmm, well we don't have any vertical spins without a kick, so a cork that fails to meet even horizontal would be nothing. We DO have horizontal tricks without a kick however, for example, an Atwist which fails to invert becomes a Btwist, does it not? Good day to you sir. :smile:

[Jon P]

Actually, that is "just your opinion."


i just said that.


Nobody is implying that there exists a "B" in a "cheat 720twist," we only use the word "twist" to indicate the trick being horizontal. Otherwise I would have said "wrapthru Btwist"
Hmm, well we don't have any vertical spins without a kick, so a cork that fails to meet even horizontal would be nothing. We DO have horizontal tricks without a kick however, for example, an Atwist which fails to invert becomes a Btwist, does it not? Good day to you sir. :smile:

you don't understand what i am saying.
wrapthru is a transition and not a trick. unlike aerial -> aerialtwist or bkick -> btwist.
as far as cheat720twist.
is actually does imply a "b"...as it is a cheated 720 butterfly twist.
example: you can't just do a kick from a "wt" [or any transition] and call it "wt kick" or hyper it and call it "wt hyper kick".
you see what i am saying?
it is far too vague.

[gabrielb]

hahaha holy shit tricking debates are soooo rediculous.

[Ambitrixterous]

you don't understand what i am saying.
wrapthru is a transition and not a trick. unlike aerial -> aerialtwist or bkick -> btwist.
example: you can't just do a kick from a "wt" [or any transition] and call it "wt kick" or hyper it and call it "wt hyper kick".
you see what i am saying?
it is far too vague.


Now I see what you are saying. In that case it comes down to a matter of describing combos by transition vs. clipping the move as a whole. Example:

A backflip with a new takeoff becomes a gainer, which means in combination you can either connect it like this:

1. Btwist > swingthru > gainer flash

Or like this:

2. Btwist > swingthru > flash


The effects of each are as follows:

1. You can cut and paste the second move by itself and it will be the same, but mention of the transition used is redundant or not needed

2. The transition implies the second move, but if ignored the combo will not be described correctly

Now what applies here is the fact that what "gainer" is to "swingthru," "wrap" is to "wrap" for the most part (this ties back into the 'tak' nickname thing) Here we have an entirely different move, which if we apply the principles from above we get:

1. hook > wrapthru > "hyper tak" (if you want to acknowledge the swipe motion you might say something like "tak-swipe")

2. hook > wrapthru > hyper twist (which becomes "twist-swipe" if you acknowledge the swipe)

Keeping in mind that if we are to isolate the move itself, we have a new move which would be a tak9 where you replace the round for a swipe (prodigy and others have hypered the tak9 but they did a hyper round so still a kick)

Whereas if you describe through transition the wrap takeoff is the transition used and the use of the word twist applies fully as "w/t hyper twist."



as far as cheat720twist.
is actually does imply a "b"...as it is a cheated 720 butterfly twist.


If you can replace the Bkick setup with a cheat takeoff then the same rule would apply to a Bkick setup with "wrap" used as a takeoff, wrapped Butterfly twist

[Jon P]

bkick is not a setup though.
just like a gainer isn't a setup.
although it can be a "set" [which is different than a setup].
bkick is the set for a btwist.
just as a gainer is the set for a cork & gainerfull.

anyways, I genuinely don't care what people call new tricks anymore.
for the very reason i stated above.
there is no right and wrong as long as the person knows what he or she is saying but only opinion.
you could have called this trick a panther swipe or something abstract and who is to tell you any different. people will accept any name anymore and really always have.

[breykdown]

i still dont understand how you did this, i tried it last night and did a hook c/t c720 twist to die

[brandonn]

There is no need. I read your point of view and I disagree.
No one is taking it off topic...everyone is still talking about this trick. haha.

wt twist would be implying it is a wt btwist.
which is wrong for obvious reasons [there is no bkick set in it at all, mainly].
anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
but it is just that, opinion.
good day to you sir. :smile:

edit: i don't mind that you are trying to name this trick but i don't agree with calling it a wt twist. it is just an attempt at a hook wt hyper full. just like if I did roundkick st cork but didn't get the cork inverted / horizontal and tried to pass it off as an entirely different trick. doesn't seem quite logical, but call it what you want. at the end of the day tricking semantics are all a matter of opinion.


why do you need a "bkick set" for it to be a twist movement?

this clip is as follows: hook kick w/t (wrap through) hyper twist.

regardless of the "set" or "transition" into it you can argue about it all you want. above is what it is and you can piss off if you disagree. :]

[Jon P]

why do you need a "bkick set" for it to be a twist movement?

this clip is as follows: hook kick w/t (wrap through) hyper twist.

regardless of the "set" or "transition" into it you can argue about it all you want. above is what it is and you can piss off if you disagree. :]

for the same reason we don't call cork a "ct twist" or "st twist" or whatever. [although even that would make more sense than this]
vague, vague, vague.
here read my last posts...which you must have obviously not read.

wt twist would be implying it is a wt btwist.
which is wrong for obvious reasons [there is no bkick set in it at all, mainly].


you don't understand what i am saying.
wrapthru is a transition and not a trick. unlike aerial -> aerialtwist or bkick -> btwist.
as far as cheat720twist.
is actually does imply a "b"...as it is a cheated 720 butterfly twist.
example: you can't just do a kick from a "wt" [or any transition] and call it "wt kick" or hyper it and call it "wt hyper kick". Therefor there can be no "wt twist" either.
you see what i am saying?
it is far too vague.

I would call this an attempted hook wt hyper full and damn close attempt. Just off a few degrees of inversion and not sure how you would get fully inverted from a hook kick unless you had some serious power. No need to rename it. I don't call horizontal corks a "st twist" or "ct twist" and inverted corks by their normal name. so why would you do that in this case?

ugh. you need to watch how you post btw.
saying shit like "you can piss off if you disagree" will not fly here anymore.
i am really trying to get rid of personal attacks and childish debates on this forum. and that will never happen unless people stop posting crap. i understand it is tempting to try and impress or side-up with a friend but try and keep it friendly.

[cHiNoDaFiLiPiNo]

has this combo really never been done before? :wonder:

[Ryan Murray]

Sure it has; I did it in a dream once.

ON THE MOON

[dpitlock]

Picky fucks.
I think the site needs to go down for a week, ppl need are getting to antsy and bitchy. Maybe ppl will finally go out and trick.

Who care, who?

[Alexx]

i remember asking dan about w/t's at LK and he said, theres wrap fulls and wrap twists, and wrap fulls are just the inverted versions, it helped me a lot working out what i was doing :)

[Teddy2006]

Its so eatable!!!

[brandonn]

who gives a fuck about a few degrees of inversion?

other than you, i mean.

it's a hook w/t hyper full/twist/kAck whatever you wanna say

there's no "attempt" about it, he landed it and then cory cussed at him for it. (i feel you cory i hate rudy too <3)

i'm not about to break out a protractor when I watch fucking tricking clips.

http://realworldnumbers.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/protractor.thumbnail.jpg

[ryanreMpfer]

discussion is good

no one has to agree to the other and as previously stated everyone's entitled to there own opinion... I am sure there are similar discussions and arguments in any other sport that involves various technical differences in similar tricks

so I enjoy seeing disputes over this kind of thing, shows a whole other face of the complexity of tricks

I personally am partial to what JonP is stating, it doesn't really make sense to call it w/t twist or even w/t full when w/t is the setup... but we really don't have any option because there is nothing I believe that can better classify the move and setup as a whole or individually right?

then again I could have missed both dans and jons point because I merely skim posts and fail to read :)

[xombi]

Angsty angsty angst bitch bitch bitch.

I doubt this move would look any cooler with proper inversion...

[ryanreMpfer]

Angsty angsty angst bitch bitch bitch.

I doubt this move would look any cooler with proper inversion...

Well why dont you try it and get back to us with your opinion :)

and RUDY lets have a W/T battle

[xombi]

Haha, how original

I don't think it's easy
but I don't think it's cool either

[ryanreMpfer]

your entitled to your opinion

its a technical move, if you haven't already you should try it

feels cool

[xombi]

Ooh kee I will!

And if your wondering that angst bitch post was dedicated to this whole thread and the name debate...

[hitsugaya]

you win

[Jon P]

discussion is good

no one has to agree to the other and as previously stated everyone's entitled to there own opinion... I am sure there are similar discussions and arguments in any other sport that involves various technical differences in similar tricks

so I enjoy seeing disputes over this kind of thing, shows a whole other face of the complexity of tricks

I personally am partial to what JonP is stating, it doesn't really make sense to call it w/t twist or even w/t full when w/t is the setup... but we really don't have any option because there is nothing I believe that can better classify the move and setup as a whole or individually right?

then again I could have missed both dans and jons point because I merely skim posts and fail to read :)

Yes. Thank you Ryan haha.
anyways, this was a discussion. obviously Rudy is crazy. we all know that.
i didn't just come in and say "oh that looks ugly" and leave. I don't think that at all!
we were simply discussing the name, which in no way does that take away from the trick itself.
friendly / mature discussion is impossible with people saying "fuck this", "fuck that", "piss off", blah blah blah.
it is tricks people, don't get your feelings hurt over it! be happy. haha
Discussion can be very educational for people reading and people participating.
It has nothing to do with defending friends or anything like that [or at least it shouldn't]. You can have debates within your own tricking team, it is healthy haha.
But it is always about how you present what you are saying...

[Jon P]

who gives a fuck about a few degrees of inversion?

other than you, i mean.

it's a hook w/t hyper full/twist/kAck whatever you wanna say

there's no "attempt" about it, he landed it and then cory cussed at him for it. (i feel you cory i hate rudy too <3)

i'm not about to break out a protractor when I watch fucking tricking clips.

http://realworldnumbers.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/protractor.thumbnail.jpg

Once again I feel you didn't read my last post, or at least ignored 90% of it haha.
And every tricker pays attention to degrees of inversion and always have...
That is how we have "540", "laydown 540", "sideswipe" and "suicide swipe".
Basically the same trick but with different levels of inversion.
Just like you would never let someone try and pass a perfectly horizontal "cork" off as a "gainer fulltwist".
Or maybe you would, I dunno.
Either way.
That is why Dan is even purposing to call this a different name than a "wt full"...because it doesn't spin on the same axis.

[Ambitrixterous]

bkick is not a setup though.
just like a gainer isn't a setup.
although it can be a "set" [which is different than a setup].
bkick is the set for a btwist.
just as a gainer is the set for a cork & gainerfull.

My bad, I thought you had used "setup" in particular in your last post which is why I used it (you and I are on entirely different definitions of "set" vs "setup" vs "takeoff" I think) but regardless I think at this point people can either read fully through our posts or ignore it all together. The important stuff has been said and yes discussion can be a REALLY useful learning tool everyone so in the words of Daniel Graham don't be JEALOUS :tongue:

[Jon P]

My bad, I thought you had used "setup" in particular in your last post which is why I used it (you and I are on entirely different definitions of "set" vs "setup" vs "takeoff" I think)

ah maybe I did, if I did that is my fault for the confusion.

but regardless I think at this point people can either read fully through our posts or ignore it all together. The important stuff has been said and yes discussion can be a REALLY useful learning tool everyone so in the words of Daniel Graham don't be JEALOUS :tongue:

yesss. =]

[Rudy]

and RUDY lets have a W/T battle

haha oh god, ok, sure.

what are we going to do with it?

[xombi]

i didn't just come in and say "oh that looks ugly" and leave.

Referring to me? :smile:

[Jon P]

Referring to the 50 posts a month we get like that.
It is bad news and needs to stop.
At least state what you don't like about the trick.
or if you just truly don't think it looks good and don't know why--it may be best to just not post anything.
If this were real life, people could hear the tone of your voice and tell whether you mean it in a friendly way--or are just being an asshole.
but you cannot detect tone through text very well.
so just try and explain yourself a little better.

[xombi]

so just try and explain yourself a little better.

I will try.

The lack of momentum makes it look lazy. You just can't get much power from a wrap like that... Also it easily will end up just a 360 spin or whatever.

People are going for harder and harder transitions. Although they may be hard as fuck they may not look so powerful and controlled.

If someone can make this look controlled he can have my recognition.

A CHALLENGE APPEARS:
Hook-w/t-full-s/t-gainer
Hook-w/t-hyperfull-btwist

Of course as clean as possible.

[Rudy]

If someone can make this look controlled he can have my recognition.

A CHALLENGE APPEARS:
Hook-w/t-full-s/t-gainer
Hook-w/t-hyperfull-btwist

Of course as clean as possible.

seeing as how i'm the only persone (that i know of) who can hook wrap full decently well, i'll do these.

[Jon P]

I wanna see flow attempt this.

[ryanreMpfer]

haha oh god, ok, sure.

what are we going to do with it?

haha well if you agree just make a vid with all your w/t clips maybe 30 seconds if that and post tnight

or if you want to film more w/t stuff you can do that as well and combos that have w/t's should be included as well

im actually injured right now so I can only use old footy but if you agree ill start creating my w/t compilation video

seeing as how i'm the only persone (that i know of) who can hook wrap full decently well, i'll do these.

oh and I believe Devon on FF can hook w/t

hes crazy with the Hook then chuck moves

[Rudy]

haha well if you agree just make a vid with all your w/t clips maybe 30 seconds if that and post tnight

or if you want to film more w/t stuff you can do that as well and combos that have w/t's should be included as well

im actually injured right now so I can only use old footy but if you agree ill start creating my w/t compilation video



oh and I believe Devon on FF can hook w/t

hes crazy with the Hook then chuck moves

hah i missed this yesterday, my bad. I like the first thing, just film all of the wrap variations and stuff you can wrap out of. I'll film asap but idk when that'll be. I'll try to get it before next week

oh really? devon...you've been holding out on me..i didn't know this...or i did and forgot. :tongue:

[ryanreMpfer]

Actually lets take our time cuz i wnat to get new footy once im healed and Ill find the cliup but I could have sworn I have seen him do it in a vid

[Rudy]

that's fine with me, just let me know when you want to do it

[McGriddle]

oh and I believe Devon on FF can hook w/t
hes crazy with the Hook then chuck moves

I've never seen Devon hook w/t that I can remember. But yea he's insane at chuck moves, gms being his #1 probably. I was tricking with FF the night he did his 5 gms's and I jizzed my pants...twice.:wink:

[wingen]

haha nice combo rudy!:wicked: i think the guy who yelled at you didnt like it :tongue: hahaha fuck you fuck you I HATE YOU. haha. love it :smile:

[Shadow5217]

Im on a boat

[Rudy]

hahah thanks shadow for enlightening us ^_^ :tongue:

everybody look at me cause i'm sailing on a boat.

thanks for the comment wingen!!! means a lot bro!

[Shadow5217]

I dont understand why this fails to impress some. Im not sure if Xombi and the other one even Trick.

[remthetreme]

hey man! do you think you can add a hook in the hyper full soon?? It would be like, the most beautiful thing in the world !!!

Nice job for the w/t !! You own